Giant Black Triangle/Missing Time

reply to post by immoralist

Ive often FELT (key, felt, like an impression, not a memory) that as some point during the 'memory gap' portion of this entire scenario that there is a blinding white light, or a bluish white light which illuminated the entire area around where we found ourselves by the barn/ side yard of the house where we were standing. Im really skeptical of this however because it seem to conform to the standard "Alien abduction" type of scenarios whereby people are 'beamed up' or frozen in time with a beam of light. My wife doesnt remember/feel any aspect about this but it still lingers for me.

This happened to me early on after my first two encounters, vague pictures that instigated solid impressions. I am no expert other than with my own experience, but it seems to me that our perspective, and emotional state can alter what it is we are seeing or experiencing.

If you care to go further with your research may I suggest reading up on what is called the "ozfactor". Jenny Randles a British researcher came up with the term to describe the effects that you and I and a lot of people report, being present within two different realities.

Take your time with it, I am confident that you will begin to piece things together. Concerning the flash of blue light....use your intuition and try to feel if it is right. Deep within you is the truth to what happened, the key will be to relax your mind and heart enough so it can begin to surface. Try not to let external influences in, even that of your wife.

reply to post by Nikola014

Nikola014
I'm not sure how meditation can help you in this case. Meditation is used for clearing your mind of all thoughts, so you can be present to the moment. Hypnosis is a power of suggestion.

I respectfully disagree. Clearing your mind is a form of meditation. Not all forms of meditation utilize clearing your mind. The goal is to reach a relaxed state. Reaching a relaxed state is the same goal of hypnosis. The line between self-hypnosis which utilizes the relaxed state to employ a suggestion and meditation is a fine one indeed. In fact, they are two sides of the same coin. Relaxing or "meditation" is as good a place to start as any. Especially considering that the OP has expressed concerns about hypnotherapy.

It also removes his fear of injecting false memories because he doesn't need to utilize any suggestions. If he practices dream recall he will learn how relaxing can help stimulate the associative links with a memory chain. It is the same visualization process used when you think about your lost keys.

Nikola014
... but what can I tell you is that, hypnotherapist have a degree from neurology and/or psychiatry ..

This simply isn't true in the United States. A degree is not a requirement to become a licensed hypnotherapist. Regulations vary from state to state, but the minimum requirements are typically 40+ hours of training. Many hypno-therapists are also psychiatrists. They enhance their practice this way, but it certainly isn't a requirement. They cannot provide a diagnosis if they are not a psychologist or psychiatrist. There are a few other restrictions as well.

reply to post by immoralist


I am sorry that you struggle with health issues, that's tough as those issues often take up a lot of room in our minds and brains.

Just a couple of years ago after having made a great deal of progress into understanding my encounters, I got to thinking that if I were to do all I could to maximize the power of my mind, and body that I would achieve an optimal balance from within that would allow for clearer insight and better recall. I went raw veggies all the way, eliminated fluoride and other toxins from my life and use supplements that enhance the electrical activity in my body. My health certainly improved but more importantly my thinking became clearer and the clutter I carried around for years just fell away. It all made for better meditations, intuition and my dreams are amazing.

I never really believed in UFO's or anything like that until my particular experience. So as far as im concerned, you guys are hearing what used to be someone who was entirely indifferent to the entire UFO community. Until one night, lol.

Anyways, you asked about specifics, OP. I will go into more detail..

The thing I saw was huge, I was literally standing next to a 1 story school that houses 4 thousand students, and a football/baseball field, and this thing was without question significantly larger. It was huge, silent, and motionless for a period of a few minutes, its almost as if it knew we had identified it when it began to move. It never made the fast movements you speak of when I saw it. It moved slowly.

After watching it for a few minutes, before it disappeared, it stood up on its end (left this out previously to conserve peoples time and mine, just to see if u were interested.). When it pointed its point toward space, I realized it wasn't flat, it was quite thick, more like a piece of cake than a slice of pizza. On the end pointed towards the ground there were actually three points of light. Not like jet engines, with fire shooting from them, just like simple points of light.

This is part of the reason I was astonished it wasn't in the paper, when it stood up on end the points of light were huge, much larger than any star. They weren't bright like the sun, but they were very, very prominent and more obvious than anything else in the sky, and had ur attention been drawn to them you would still see this large triangle object standing on end.

Edit: when I say significantly larger than the school, I do not mean a hundred feet. I'm not a pilot, and I don't know how to calculate size in the sky. That being said, ive seen the largest planes in the world fly over head on a daily basis living where I did. This thing was much lower, and holy # was it bigger. You could compare a C 130 to one of this things wheels of its landing gear would be my guess, in terms of a real plane.

The object itself when looking at it from underneath seemed very "stealth". Like I said, if my sober companion had not pointed it out I would have never seen it. It blocked out the rest of the sky. But it had a weird look to it, someone else before said "oily", I don't think that explains it perfectly, but it does make sense for someone to explain it that way. It had a sheen to it, and it did not appear to be a totally flat surface.

This one incident really changed my life. I used to be a total screw up, I took my brain for granted, didn't give a poo about anyones "spiritual" beliefs, and was a general A hole. I can seriously say this one incident changed me, almost like a religious experience. Not that it was, im just saying the way people didn't believe me and at times poked fun at it gave me a totally different outlook on life.

Witness2008
reply to post by immoralist

 

I am sorry that you struggle with health issues, that's tough as those issues often take up a lot of room in our minds and brains.

Just a couple of years ago after having made a great deal of progress into understanding my encounters, I got to thinking that if I were to do all I could to maximize the power of my mind, and body that I would achieve an optimal balance from within that would allow for clearer insight and better recall. I went raw veggies all the way, eliminated fluoride and other toxins from my life and use supplements that enhance the electrical activity in my body. My health certainly improved but more importantly my thinking became clearer and the clutter I carried around for years just fell away. It all made for better meditations, intuition and my dreams are amazing.

You know, that is REALLY interesting that you mentioned this, because I did the exact same thing after my encounters in an effort. My wife an I cut out all processed foods, cut down on all meat products, increased the raw and whole foods 100fold , started drinking lots of water (purified), my health has improved drastically as a result. I still dont dream at all but Ive felt 100% better over the last few years, am no longer on medications at all to manage my medical conditions, my thinking, reaction time, and emotional stability is worlds better as a result. I really agree with you 100% on this one, and would recommend it to EVERYONE and do on a regular basis, just even cutting out hydrogenated oils, refined sugars, anything but actual whole foods is great for you, basically we only eat food we make ourselves from actual ingredients.

Big up on that one

reply to post by Bundy


I know what you are saying about the stealth like nature to it, and the 'oily' nature to it, I perceived more as being a grid-like pattern like a circuit board . The size of the one I saw was unbelievably massive too, just amazingly big.

DId yours have sort of a strange hue to it like the light was reflecting oddly off of it?

The big triangle wasnt fast at all, it was really slow seeming, so we are in agreement there, the fast one was the small star like thing I saw in the distance at first.

It also changed our lives as well, I mean, the sense of Awe it stuck into both of us is still with me, to where I find myself thinking about it really often even 8 years later, every time I go outside at night my eyes are dialed in to the sky hoping for another glimpse.

One thing I do remember now that Ive been thinking about it a lot, I remember the nights leading up to it, I was paying a lot of particular attention to the big and the little dippers as well as the Pleiades, always making special note of their positions as I would smoke my cigarette at night I dont know if that has ANY significance at all, it probably doesnt, but I remember being especially dialed in to those during that time period before the sighting.

reply to post by immoralist

When you talk about looking at the little dipper and being in tune with the pleiadase (spelling?). That wasn't me or my friend. I was your casual thug guy with a knife and drugs lol. This entire thing changed me. Even though most people considered me "smarter than that" its what I was. A dumb asshole with weapons and drugs.

I would have never noticed this without someone pointing it out to me first. That's why I say it makes me a hard witness to believe. When I brought this up toa childhood friend though, he actually provided newspaper articles where he and a private investigator neighbor saw the same thing and drew pics.

EDIT: must say this the childhood friend provided evidence from an experience that happened like 10 years previously not when I say it happened.


I must edit twice: his incident happened ten years earlier or so mine still happened... Im drunk takes me a sec

reply to post by immoralist


don't look for outside validation of what you and your wife experienced. try to figure out what you need to learn from it.

reply to post by compressedFusion


I did not know that. Thanks for the infos.

It seems like it's different from country to country. Personally, I've met a few hypnotherapist so far, and they all are neurologists and psychiatrists. So i thought it was a general rule. Alto, I have one question. How can a psychologist be a hypnotherapist when I thought that psychology focuses only on healthy people? Interesting. Seems like you are never too old to learn something new
But what I can tell you for sure is that, over here, if you want to be a hypnotherapist you gotta have a degree from either neurology or psychiatry. Then, like you said, you have to go trough a special trainings.

reply to post by Nikola014

I've tried self hypnosis and meditation to try to jar memories of what might have happened but nothing. So I'm left with just a missing time event and absolutely no memory of what may have happened. I do know that seeing that UFO triggered a fear response. And I had a very intense and disturbing dream where I encountered grays and government agents working for or with them that was enough to jar me awake. The grays I saw were the almond eyed ones not the little ones but man sized. And they communicated through telepathy. But you hear stories about having implanted memories. If you abducted somebody, drugged or hypnotized them, you might give them a memory of aliens to make them sound less credible.
Another vivid dream was of human beings working for aliens. They were descendants of humans here on earth who periodically abducted humans and studied them. I spoke to them and they came across as aloof and somewhat arrogant who judged us as primitive and inferior, like we might view cave men. Their eyes were the only thing that was unusual, they were odd. Like a yellow or possibly a cats eye. I remember they took an interest in documenting and showing 3 d images of animal and plant life and ecosystems. That and they appeared to use the magnetic poles as a means of travel for their ships.
I asked them why they came here and what they wanted and was told that " We ARE from here, this IS our planet."

reply to post by Dutchowl


I also had an encounter that involved what I perceived as a human, there were the typical grey aliens around me with the human standing back as if observing. I did not remember much of the human, other than what he was wearing. It felt to me as something that pretended to be human by wearing a human form. The uniform it was wearing was why I noticed him.

Once I gained some of the memory, things have changed for me, including the type of contact that randomly still occurs.

If they were us from the future why would they need to fly couldn't they just do everything on earth? And why would they need a giant craft? Maybe yes you can only time travel in space or the earth has gone to crap in the future so the crafts needed. It all sounds like aliens to me, theres a lot of alien videos where theres more than one craft. Do you do any drugs? Did u drink anything before this? Were you tired? Why didn't you get your phone out? You had this giant thing over you and no photos?

reply to post by SkepticalOne


Ive already explained this elsewhere in the thread Skeptical One, I was not drunk, I was not on any drugs, though I'm totally unaware of how being drunk could make me hallucinate a star craft and a giant black triangle blocking out the stars, (for me and my wife). I dont know how anything short of '___' would really cause something like that.

I didn't have a phone on me, neither did my wife, we were at our home and hadnt even used our phones in months really other than to call each other because of our isolation. Either way, our phones at the time were not smart phones and any camera they would have had on them didn't have the capability of imaging a stealth black craft against a black background with only stars being blocked out indicating its existence. I dont understand how a 1 megapixel flip phone camera would even be capable of this.

Furthermore, when was I supposed to get my phone out even if either of us would have had it on us or would have thought of it, during the 2 hours of time I was missing? Or while we were both staring with awe as the big one was over top of us willing ourselves not to forget a moment of it.

As for the speculative aspects of 'why are they in a craft, etc" anything Ive said as to the origins of the craft or the operators is totally speculative so I really cant say any of my speculations are at all accurate.

reply to post by immoralist


S&F....

Very interesting, and very well written.

I have one question. I understand if you cannot remember what im about to ask since it was back in 2006, but its worth a try.

At the time just before you noticed this craft (lets say the entire minute before you noticed), can you recollect what it is that you were thinking in your mind??

The reason i ask is because you (and other abductees/spotters in UFO community) say:

my wife and I were both struck with the sense that it noticed us noticing it playing and it zoomed toward us at a high rate of speed

This has lately led me to question whether these UFOs can in fact acknowledge our presence and maybe even sense our brain activity/thoughts/consciousness. Furthermore maybe something that you thought (an original idea etc) is what led to their presence and relative contact with you!

It just doesnt make sense that a UFO can know its being watched based on its analysis of where your eyes are looking or if your head turned in their direction. There must be another way that UFO's know when they are being watched, if that wasnt their original intention in the first place.

combatmaster
reply to post by immoralist

 

S&F....

Very interesting, and very well written.

I have one question. I understand if you cannot remember what im about to ask since it was back in 2006, but its worth a try.

At the time just before you noticed this craft (lets say the entire minute before you noticed), can you recollect what it is that you were thinking in your mind??

The reason i ask is because you (and other abductees/spotters in UFO community) say:

my wife and I were both struck with the sense that it noticed us noticing it playing and it zoomed toward us at a high rate of speed

This has lately led me to question whether these UFOs can in fact acknowledge our presence and maybe even sense our brain activity/thoughts/consciousness. Furthermore maybe something that you thought (an original idea etc) is what led to their presence and relative contact with you!

It just doesnt make sense that a UFO can know its being watched based on its analysis of where your eyes are looking or if your head turned in their direction. There must be another way that UFO's know when they are being watched, if that wasnt their original intention in the first place.

Exactly combatmaster!
I do actually remember what I was thinking, or the general sentiment, and I also have a theory as to how they may have noticed us noticing them.

I was staring into the skyline over the lake smoking my cig, and I was just musing about the color of the sky, feeling the weather , feeling the wind on my skin, sort of losing myself in the environment to a certain degree. I was feeling pretty positive and light, sort of just being 'one with nature' sort of feeling, my wife says she was doing the same thing. There is a term from an old Japanese movie that perfectly describes what we were doing, we were "twilighting" (not the recent American movie or book oh god...) but its just like wistfully losing yourself in the experience of experiencing the environment around you do you get what Im meaning by all of this? LoL

Now, as to the 'how' it noticed us. Ive thought about this A LOT, and I really truly believe that there are only two options here.

1) that it was from the future, and for some reason KNEW we would be there right then, and was looking or waiting for us, maybe something we do in the future gives whoever they are a reason for wanting to come back and do whatever they did to us for those 2 hours.

or, the one I consider much more likely,
2) Be they extraterrestrial or extratemporal or whatever, they have some sort of REALLY Advanced function Long range MRI scanner that can actually see the bloodflow and electrical activity within animal brains at a given radius AROUND the craft itself, so that possibly it has some sort of AI or software which can run an intentionality sensing algorithm to aid in their stealthy agenda. IE if something 'notices' them in a specific intentional way, it triggers within the AI or software an alarm which indicates to the operator (or AI) that there is an intentional agent nearby who has noticed you, thus interfering with your goal of non-interference.

immoralist

combatmaster
reply to post by immoralist

 

S&F....

Very interesting, and very well written.

I have one question. I understand if you cannot remember what im about to ask since it was back in 2006, but its worth a try.

At the time just before you noticed this craft (lets say the entire minute before you noticed), can you recollect what it is that you were thinking in your mind??

The reason i ask is because you (and other abductees/spotters in UFO community) say:

my wife and I were both struck with the sense that it noticed us noticing it playing and it zoomed toward us at a high rate of speed

This has lately led me to question whether these UFOs can in fact acknowledge our presence and maybe even sense our brain activity/thoughts/consciousness. Furthermore maybe something that you thought (an original idea etc) is what led to their presence and relative contact with you!

It just doesnt make sense that a UFO can know its being watched based on its analysis of where your eyes are looking or if your head turned in their direction. There must be another way that UFO's know when they are being watched, if that wasnt their original intention in the first place.

Exactly combatmaster!
I do actually remember what I was thinking, or the general sentiment, and I also have a theory as to how they may have noticed us noticing them.

I was staring into the skyline over the lake smoking my cig, and I was just musing about the color of the sky, feeling the weather , feeling the wind on my skin, sort of losing myself in the environment to a certain degree. I was feeling pretty positive and light, sort of just being 'one with nature' sort of feeling, my wife says she was doing the same thing. There is a term from an old Japanese movie that perfectly describes what we were doing, we were "twilighting" (not the recent American movie or book oh god...) but its just like wistfully losing yourself in the experience of experiencing the environment around you do you get what Im meaning by all of this? LoL

Now, as to the 'how' it noticed us. Ive thought about this A LOT, and I really truly believe that there are only two options here.

1) that it was from the future, and for some reason KNEW we would be there right then, and was looking or waiting for us, maybe something we do in the future gives whoever they are a reason for wanting to come back and do whatever they did to us for those 2 hours.

or, the one I consider much more likely,
2) Be they extraterrestrial or extratemporal or whatever, they have some sort of REALLY Advanced function Long range MRI scanner that can actually see the bloodflow and electrical activity within animal brains at a given radius AROUND the craft itself, so that possibly it has some sort of AI or software which can run an intentionality sensing algorithm to aid in their stealthy agenda. IE if something 'notices' them in a specific intentional way, it triggers within the AI or software an alarm which indicates to the operator (or AI) that there is an intentional agent nearby who has noticed you, thus interfering with your goal of non-interference.

Wow... You really do have a gift for expressing your ideas.

in your second option you basically put into words what i was trying to say.

I know what you mean with the whole nature thing. I dont get much of that being a city dweller but i sure do 'connect' whenever im in a more natural setting.

The thing I still don't understand about my experience is, how this thing was within 5 to 10 miles of Travis AFB, and directly over the downtown area of a city of over 100 thousand people, and 3 18 yo kids are the only people who notice it. There HAD to have been many other witnesses that night, ive just never came across any.

The others I was with told me never to talk to anyone about this, and not to mention it to anyone at work or we'll look crazy. Yeah right. I went straight to work like an hour early the next day with the specific intent on questioning everyone about what they did the night before and if they saw this thing, lol. No luck though =(

reply to post by Murgatroid

These are clearly not UFO's you are dealing with...

Just to clarify,

Unless you can identify the craft in question, it remains an UNidentified flying object or UFO!

Whether the operators of this craft are ET's is what i think you are getting at!

reply to post by Bundy

The thing I still don't understand about my experience is, how this thing was within 5 to 10 miles of Travis AFB, and directly over the downtown area of a city of over 100 thousand people, and 3 18 yo kids are the only people who notice it.

This question of witnesses still plagues me, and one of the reasons that I have gone into the direction of mental or vibratory states that we are in when we become witnesses is because of this.

My January 2008 sighting was on a highway with other cars, and the UFO would have passed right over McAlester before I had seen it. Not one report other than my own, however I had the feeling that the car in front of me had also witnessed it. The driver slowed way down at the same time that I did.

Perhaps there is some type of connection that is made between the observer and the craft. I have come to the conclusion that the reason that I could see what I saw was due to the incredibly high flying feeling that I had been experiencing all night. I knew that I would be seeing it before I saw it.

Other things have happened to me since that have raised that same emotional, spiritual knowing that is identical to my sighting.

Dutchowl
I've tried self hypnosis and meditation to try to jar memories of what might have happened but nothing.

I believe there are 4 major factors at play

1.) Relaxing
2.) Visualizing
3.) Conditioning
4.) Suggestions

1.) Relaxing is a basic requirement. A skilled therapist will guide you into relaxing through suggestion. However, this isn't necessary. You can practice this on your own. If you merely meditate without direction then you will have met 1 of 4 basic requirements to get the results you want.

2.) Visualization is next. One author recommends his clients visualize a chalk board and then they write a letter A in their mind. He then asks them to erase the letter A. He is getting them used to visualizing in different states (ie. brain wave frequencies).

3.) Conditioning is repeating steps 1 and 2 so you become comfortable with the sensations. It also entrains your nervous system to some degree similar to binaural beats.

4.) Finally we come to suggestion. This puts our "meditating" into the realm of hypnosis. This is often scripted and it uses the auditory component of suggestion. You can find lots of scripts online or on youtube. Or you can create your own. The basic principle is that your brain will automatically parse these statements. Visual and tactile components can be used as well but it is not really conducive to self-hypnosis.

Many linguists speculate that the brain is already wired for acquiring language.

Herzog's film is based upon the true and mysterious story of Kaspar Hauser, a young man who suddenly appeared in Nuremberg in 1828, barely able to speak or walk, and bearing a strange note

The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser : Jeder für sich und Gott gegen alle(IMDB)

The German title loosely translates as "Everyone for themselves and God against all". If it is built in then we probably also need a social frame of reference such as Herzog's film suggests.

Test step 4 as follows. Have somebody say "Tree" to you. Can you prevent yourself from understanding the word? Most likely it will create an image in your head even if isn't any tree in particular. In fact, this abstract image and feeling is probably very similar to the dreamlike quality you or immoralist had during your experience. If somebody uses the word tree in a long sentence the impact will be lessened.

Nikola014
reply to post by compressedFusion

 

How can a psychologist be a hypnotherapist when I thought that psychology focuses only on healthy people?

I guess this varies by country. In the USA a psychologist is a mental healthcare professional. They treat dysfunction or disorders associated with the mind. This treatment is usually medicine. They must have a state license to practice which typically means they must have a PhD in psychology. As an example, here is a link to becoming certified in Texas.

How to Become Licensed (Texas)

Hyponsis and medicine aren't necessarily at odds but it would be an unusual mix for a professional. However, there is no restriction here. This lack of restrictions is driven mostly by cultural expectations. For instance in Europe you see a higher frequency of authorative sessions. Whereas in the USA sessions often cater to the clients demands. In my opinion this looser attitude is reflected in both the laws and its perception of efficacy.