We are at war with Turkey; Turkish armour has trespassed on Syrian soil

D377MC
reply to post by TheWetCoast

 

Maybe you don't understand because you failed to read the link I provided on Greater Israel. Context is everything. Maybe the following might help to stimulate your thought-process:

According to Ergün Poyraz, in his book The Children of Moses, the Erdogan family has Jewish roots, and the American Jewish Congress gave Erdogan a 'profiles of courage award'.

Amazing how many world leaders are suddenly accidentally discovering their Jewish roots and coming out of the closet isn't it?

You'll never be able to convince me that Israel is responsible for all the hate and suffering in the region.

TheWetCoast

D377MC
reply to post by TheWetCoast

 

Maybe you don't understand because you failed to read the link I provided on Greater Israel. Context is everything. Maybe the following might help to stimulate your thought-process:

According to Ergün Poyraz, in his book The Children of Moses, the Erdogan family has Jewish roots, and the American Jewish Congress gave Erdogan a 'profiles of courage award'.

Amazing how many world leaders are suddenly accidentally discovering their Jewish roots and coming out of the closet isn't it?

You'll never be able to convince me that Israel is responsible for all the hate and suffering in the region.

no country or man is responsible for "ALL the hate and suffering".

D377MC
reply to post by Danbones

 

According to the date on that article, Last updated at 12:01AM, January 30 2014, we are not talking about the same event. In light of that, you might want to lose the sarcasm, just makes you look foolish....

edit on 26-3-2014 by D377MC because: correction

its a continuation of events and not the big deal you made of it at this date
considering that...no...
don't feel foolish

reply to post by TheWetCoast


Not Israel, the Zionist movement.

You know, those who pretend to be Jews but aren't really, who control the banking system and the media, and think of all other peoples as insects, not worthy to exist.

They are responsible. And the day is coming when they will be called to account for the blood they are spilling.

It may seem hard for you to believe, but Jews and Arabs have coexisted peacefully for ages, and to a certain extent, still do.

Until, of course, the modern state of Israel was created. And yes, that is exactly where all the strife in the middle-east comes from, and to a great extent, most of the world's problems too. It is only fair to speculate that if you were to remove interest on debt and outlaw usury, then everyone would be much, much better off. And, in the same vein, that if those farming a land and living on it were not massacred and evicted because apparently God gave it to someone else, then we wouldn't have so much animosity towards impostors posing as victims.

Look at that map of greater Israel, then look at the last 50 years in the history of the middle-east and tell me, what do you see?

reply to post by Danbones


No it isn't, it is clearly two separate events, and besides...I didn't say you are foolish or should feel foolish. I said the sarcasm makes you appear foolish...as in the 'after its news' and beer mug icon.

If you are going to play the sarcasm card, try and get it right or you might end up making a fool of yourself.

Don't take it personal, a sheepish grin will do fine here.

reply to post by D377MC


The term "war" is a pretty strong declaration and without a official declaration it is nothing for than hearsay, at best.

Now my personal opinion on it is that Turkey wants to get involved with Syria just to protect itself from the flood that could spill over its own borders. Unless of course Turkey is supporting the oppositions...

-SAP-

Turkey's only interesrt in Syria is keeping that crap away from its borders. In particular since the radicals and rebels split and started fighting each other leading to split in the radicals which are also fighting each other as well, add that to Assads forces, the Iranians, Hezbollah, Lebanese militias, bandits, and the Kurds and the Turks want no part of that mess. They will do whatever they have to keep it away their border though. I was Turkey I would declare a DMZ of about 50 miles along the border and patrol it with air power. Not like anybody could anything about, and the used to do it in Iraq in 90s.

reply to post by SloAnPainful


As explained previously, the title must be viewed in the context of the author who crafted it: the URL being www.syrianperspective.com, that is pretty self explanatory.

Turkey is heavily involved in training, funding, sheltering and assisting the 'opposition'...who we have determined to be terrorists according to the State Department's own admission.

Further update from the website in question, which I would like to point out has a load of interesting maps on the evolving military situation which are updated regularly... check 'battlemaps':

Syrianperpective update

reply to post by D377MC


I see. I must have missed that point. Well if they are funding them, it prolly to protect themselves from future conflicts with the rebels, who could flood into Turkey when and if the Syrian civil war ends.

-SAP-

It isn't a civil war either.... it's a war between the Syrian people and foreign-funded mercenaries fighting alongside Islamic terrorists.

D377MC
It isn't a civil war either.... it's a war between the Syrian people and foreign-funded mercenaries fighting alongside Islamic terrorists.

edit on 26-3-2014 by D377MC because: spelling

It is a civil war and it is the worse kind of civil war where the minority ruling elite ( non-sunni ) brutally supresses the majority ( sunni ) population with the help of other countries ( Iran & Russia ).

There are of course mercenaries and all sorts of loose cannons on the ground , fighting against Assad's regime but this doesn't change the fact that Assad has gone further then his father in killing Syrian people .

You are presenting a peachy picture of Assad's rule . He is a totalitarian dictator by any definition . He has inhereted his seat from his murderous , genocidal father and he is successfully following his father's policy of killing his own people .

All the other crap about terrorists and foreign mercenaries are not the cause of this civil war .

Assad IS responsible for the mess Syria is in and that is all there is to it .

As far as Turkey's position is concerned , what would you have Turks do ? Watch Assad kill Sunni's with impunity ?

reply to post by 23432


The responsibility for what is happening in Syria lies squarely with Israel, the US and Saudi Arabia who have funded, trained and armed mercenaries and Islamic terrorist groups with a view to dividing the country into separate warring factions.

Nothing new really, we have seen it before in Libya and are witnessing the exact same events in Ukraine as we speak. The moment the terrorist groups are activated, the Western propaganda machine led by the BBC, Fox News and the likes start beating the drums and accusing Assad of the heinous actions they themselves are sponsoring.

Fracturing society along sectarian lines is a well-known, well-proven and well-documented strategy of Western intelligence agencies.

You can sit there all you like and arrogantly state nonsense like "Assad is killing his own people", but the fact of the matter is Syrian people disagree with you. You will have to admit that it does seem rather foolish to accuse one party of harming another when the party that is supposed to be harmed is adamant in their support for whomever you are accusing. It stands to reason they have a much better idea of what is going on than you do, and I stress the 'much'.

This is not opinion, it is fact.

On the one hand we have mass rallies in favour of Assad and the army, on the other barbaric Islamic terrorists filmed in front of decapitated heads screaming 'allahu akbar', and casually spraying ak 57 rounds around.

On the one hand we have hundreds of youtube videos where the Syrian population testify to the 'opposition' being non-Syrians and pledge their support to the army, on the other we have doctored BBC news reports where the protesters are running around with English protest signs. (they must have figured you would have a hard time with Arabic).

On the one hand we have peaceful areas under the control of the army, on the other 'liberated' areas with Fallujah-esque landscapes and survivors holed-up in terror who rejoice when the army finally regains control.

On the one hand we have the truth, as relayed to us by the victims, on the other we have vile propaganda relayed to us by posters like yourself, and your acolytes who rush to star you before you have even finished posting.

I'll tell you what, you can come along and post your garbage - in fact you are welcome to. The Truth is out. Recent years have seen an unprecedented awakening and you are losing the information war.

Media lies are being exposed, and the naked truth is being shown.

As for the second point, you state that I am presenting a 'peachy view of Assad's reign'.

Firstly, that is nonsense, and you are absolutely unable to support that empty statement by quoting anything I said, for a very simple reason - I never did. The fact is, with regards to Assad, the situation is multi-faceted and rather more complex. So far, I have only stated the obvious...the Syrian people support him because they know that the so-called opposition are none other than Western sponsored terrorists and that positions such as the one you are trying to defend in your post are nothing but empty lies.

As for myself, I don't quite agree with the Syrian people either, but that is a matter for another thread.

Finally, as to what I expect the Turkish people to do..exactly what they are doing, which is rioting, protesting against Turkey's stance in this crisis and showing quite clearly they know what is going on even if you don't.

It might surprise you to know that Turkish People believe allegations that Syrian Government used chemicals are completely baseless and that the terrorists in Syria used chemicals against the civilians.

Try this website for various examples of exactly what the Turkish people believe, rather than presuming that CNN and BBC know better.

www.islamicinvitationturkey.com...

I'd hate to be in position you are in, which is that of arrogantly stating the exact opposite of the peoples whom you pretend to be concerned about.

Find yourself another excuse to support military action in the middle-east, because none of what you have come up with so far is worth a cent.

D377MC
reply to post by 23432

 

The responsibility for what is happening in Syria lies squarely with Israel, the US and Saudi Arabia who have funded, trained and armed mercenaries and Islamic terrorist groups with a view to dividing the country into separate warring factions.

Nothing new really, we have seen it before in Libya and are witnessing the exact same events in Ukraine as we speak. The moment the terrorist groups are activated, the Western propaganda machine led by the BBC, Fox News and the likes start beating the drums and accusing Assad of the heinous actions they themselves are sponsoring.

Fracturing society along sectarian lines is a well-known, well-proven and well-documented strategy of Western intelligence agencies.

So what you are saying is that the Syrian regime was fine and dandy till western intelligence agencies stepped in and engineered a civil war of some sort . Truth is not this clear cut . No smoke without a fire and no civil war without an oppressed locals . Be it Ukraine , be it Libya or be it Syria . I will however give you this much , you seem to get how intelligence agencies work in dark . Note that is ALL intelligence agencies not just the Western ones .
Need I give the examples of Syrian Intelligence activities in Anatolia & Mesopotamia ?



You can sit there all you like and arrogantly state nonsense like "Assad is killing his own people", but the fact of the matter is Syrian people disagree with you. You will have to admit that it does seem rather foolish to accuse one party of harming another when the party that is supposed to be harmed is adamant in their support for whomever you are accusing. It stands to reason they have a much better idea of what is going on than you do, and I stress the 'much'.

This is not opinion, it is fact.
My stand is not arrogant but confident ; it is easy to confuse the two . I am currently in Istanbul and just today I have spoken to several Syrian families of refugees . They didn't sound like Assad supporters at all . I do have cousins who still live in Syria and yes they do publicly support Assad because if they didn't their lives would come to a swift end . Same cousins also detest Al-CIA-DUUH too . Point is this ; Syrian people could do without Assad and without extremist idiots .
Unfortunately Assad has missed the chance of transforming Syria into a proper democracy and that is an undisputable fact .



On the one hand we have mass rallies in favour of Assad and the army, on the other barbaric Islamic terrorists filmed in front of decapitated heads screaming 'allahu akbar', and casually spraying ak 57 rounds around.

Two wrongs don't make a single right at all . Assad and his forces are as barbaric as those idiotic terrorists . What Syria needs it neither of them in power .


On the one hand we have hundreds of youtube videos where the Syrian population testify to the 'opposition' being non-Syrians and pledge their support to the army, on the other we have doctored BBC news reports where the protesters are running around with English protest signs. (they must have figured you would have a hard time with Arabic).

Syrian population have been indoctrinated by the regime and they know very well what would happened to them if they didn't show support for current regime . You are still arguing as if Assad had a legit regime to begin with . He wasn't choosen by Syrian people but appointed by a minority .
A simple fact that you seem to miss altogether .



On the one hand we have the truth, as relayed to us by the victims, on the other we have vile propaganda relayed to us by posters like yourself, and your acolytes who rush to star you before you have even finished posting.

Vile propaganda it ain't I can assure you . I just know what Assad regime does to anyone who dares speak against them within Syria .

I'll tell you what, you can come along and post your garbage - in fact you are welcome to. The Truth is out. Recent years have seen an unprecedented awakening and you are losing the information war.

Media lies are being exposed, and the naked truth is being shown.

Whatever you may say about the Media is not going to change the fact that Assad and his father have blood of Syrians in their hands . The truth is that the Syrian people also deserve a democracy of some sort or at least a benevolent leader who doesn't kill off anyone who might be a threat to his regime .

As for the second point, you state that I am presenting a 'peachy view of Assad's reign'.

Firstly, that is nonsense, and you are absolutely unable to support that empty statement by quoting anything I said, for a very simple reason - I never did. The fact is, with regards to Assad, the situation is multi-faceted and rather more complex. So far, I have only stated the obvious...the Syrian people support him because they know that the so-called opposition are none other than Western sponsored terrorists and that positions such as the one you are trying to defend in your post are nothing but empty lies.

Somewhat the Assad regime escapes your world view as a main responsible party in all these killings . Assad could of transform the country peacefully via given Syrians equal rights . He has failed to do so and now whole of Syria is paying the price . You keep talking about western sponsored terrorists yet fail to acknowledge the role the Ba'ath party and Assad regime plays in this saga .
My posts might not support Assad but at least I don't ignore the terrorists and mercenaries role .



As for myself, I don't quite agree with the Syrian people either, but that is a matter for another thread.

open another thread and let's hear it .

Finally, as to what I expect the Turkish people to do..exactly what they are doing, which is rioting, protesting against Turkey's stance in this crisis and showing quite clearly they know what is going on even if you don't.

It might surprise you to know that Turkish People believe allegations that Syrian Government used chemicals are completely baseless and that the terrorists in Syria used chemicals against the civilians.

Try this website for various examples of exactly what the Turkish people believe, rather than presuming that CNN and BBC know better.

www.islamicinvitationturkey.com...

I'd hate to be in position you are in, which is that of arrogantly stating the exact opposite of the peoples whom you pretend to be concerned about.

I am in Istanbul and I can see everyday a Syrian refugee family or two on the streets of Istanbul . I actually give money to them everyday . As for what Turkish people believe ; yes some Turks detest what is been done in their name and some Turks support Syrian opposition . This is expected because some Turks are Sunni and some are Shia . Therefore opinions vary according to which sect these Turks belong to . You do realise that lots of Turks with Arab ethnicity exists and they are spearheading the help for FSA . Similary , there are lots of Turks with Persian ethnicity and they are opposing FSA . In an old Afghan proverb ; Tiger is sitting above me while river is flowing beneath me .


Find yourself another excuse to support military action in the middle-east, because none of what you have come up with so far is worth a cent.

Shia forces will not be allowed to dominate the entire southern border of Turkish Republic . Any further attempt by Iran to engineer such a situation will be met with uprising of Turks in Iran and Iran can kiss Tabriz goodbye .

reply to post by 23432


Well, your responses show that there is more to you than appeared in your initial post, abrupt and condescending as it was.

So what you are saying is that the Syrian regime was fine and dandy till western intelligence agencies stepped in and engineered a civil war of some sort . Truth is not this clear cut .

No, I don't think you can infer that from my post. I'll answer that below, as it ties in to the request you made regarding my position on Assad.

What Syria needs it neither of them in power .

Agreed, but please concede that we both know that what they need is not what they will get. Not that anyone living in Damascus will care by then.

You are still arguing as if Assad had a legit regime to begin with . He wasn't choosen by Syrian people but appointed by a minority .
A simple fact that you seem to miss altogether .

I am not arguing in favour of Assad, and I hope to make that clear. My position is simple, to expose the duplicity and sectarian agenda of Western powers in Syria, with a focus on how, why and especially 'who' benefits.

Which would be Israel, and sorry for the spoiler.

This thread just happens to focus on Turkey's role in these dynamics, as much as this item of breaking news allows for.

As for what Turkish people believe ; yes some Turks detest what is been done in their name and some Turks support Syrian opposition

I believe you mean 'most' and 'some'.

This is expected because some Turks are Sunni and some are Shia . Therefore opinions vary according to which sect these Turks belong to .

Which is the beauty of the concept. Of course, when it comes to destroying something, using existing fracture lines is a no-brainer.

Shia forces will not be allowed to dominate the entire southern border of Turkish Republic . Any further attempt by Iran to engineer such a situation will be met with uprising of Turks in Iran and Iran can kiss Tabriz goodbye .

It seems to me that this would be highly desirable for some with regards to the partitioning planned when the dust settles. A brightly shining lodestar to guide events, so-to-speak.

open another thread and let's hear it

No need, we can do that here without going too far off topic.

When I pointed out the lies, manipulation and agenda of Western powers in Iraq, I was accused of supporting Saddam Hussein.
When I pointed out the lies, manipulation and agenda of Western powers in Libya, I was accused of defending Muammar al-Gaddafi.
Now that I am pointing out the lies, manipulation and agenda of Western powers in Syria, somehow most assume that I am glorifying Bashar al-Assad.

Nothing in reality could be further from the truth: all three are traitors to their people, all three have their eyes on the aforementioned lodestar, all three are playing on the same team.

With regards to history as it is taught and viewed by most, a big paradigm shift is needed to understand what is happening.

Make no mistake, what is happening in the middle-east was planned a very, very long time ago. The leaders we have just mentioned were allowed to rule at this time in history insomuch as they have played and, regarding Erdogan and Assad, continue to play their role as laid out for them beforehand.

Anyone who does not fulfil this precondition would be consigned to the dustbin of history in a twinkle, anyone who departs from the script would be dropped from the play.

The paradigm shift needed to understand the theatrical production we are spectators to is a rather important one. On one hand we have Obama, Putin, Erdogan, Saddam, Gaddafi ...and generally speaking most if not all world leaders, on the other we have cannon-fodder.

It really is a simple as that. All the posturing, threats and disagreements are just that...posturing. Everyone is playing their role in current events, and they must be ever so pleased with themselves because the public has fallen for it hook, line and sinker.

There is no opposition to the Luciferian world dawning. None whatsoever.

Saddam Hussein did exactly what was required of him, and I don't expect death was his recompense. If you watch the trial you will note that his double had appalling teeth, whereas Saddam had a real Hollywood smile. His wife, who was allowed to see him once during that year only ever had one thing to say about him, which is 'that is not my husband'.

Gaddafi did exactly what was required of him, and he isn't dead either. When the first video of his death was uploaded to youtube, the encoding showed that the actual recording was done 48 hours prior. 24 hours before that, Hilary Clinton conveniently landed in Tripoli airport, declared that it would be a good thing if they could capture and kill Gaddafi, then left again. In other words, handed over the recording of another double sacrificed for expediency.

Those of us who know exactly who Hillary Clinton is in the Occult world pay attention to that type of detail.

Bashar al-Assad, likewise, is doing exactly as he is required to. I can't help but feeling sorry for the Syrian people. That's why things always go as predetermined. Attacked from without, betrayed from within.

You should see where all this is going. As soon as al-Aqsa is removed and Solomon's temple rebuilt, then so also will understanding dawn on a great many more.

Unfortunately, still a very small minority. And far too late.

reply to post by demus


Not yet, no.

D377MC
reply to post by TheWetCoast

 

Not Israel, the Zionist movement.

You know, those who pretend to be Jews but aren't really, who control the banking system and the media, and think of all other peoples as insects, not worthy to exist.

They are responsible. And the day is coming when they will be called to account for the blood they are spilling.

It may seem hard for you to believe, but Jews and Arabs have coexisted peacefully for ages, and to a certain extent, still do.

Until, of course, the modern state of Israel was created. And yes, that is exactly where all the strife in the middle-east comes from, and to a great extent, most of the world's problems too. It is only fair to speculate that if you were to remove interest on debt and outlaw usury, then everyone would be much, much better off. And, in the same vein, that if those farming a land and living on it were not massacred and evicted because apparently God gave it to someone else, then we wouldn't have so much animosity towards impostors posing as victims.

Look at that map of greater Israel, then look at the last 50 years in the history of the middle-east and tell me, what do you see?

edit on 26-3-2014 by D377MC because: spelling, edit to add

I am well aware of the history of the region. Israel has a right to exist and to defend itself as a nation and the same is true for any other country in the region. The last 50 years are no different then the last 2000 years of history for the region. I don't believe that Turkey is trying to provoke a war with Syria and the same can be said for the U.S.,Israel, and NATO.

reply to post by TheWetCoast


Well, anything can be said according to your beliefs really. The only problem with that is when the facts point to your beliefs being wrong.

If you don't want a war, then it would seem logical not to provoke one. And I doubt any can deny that the nations you mentioned are trying their damn hardest to do so, individually and collectively.

Well, there we are, a short video providing further support for two points made in this thread:

a. Turkish tanks were involved in the fighting in Syrian territory
b. Not much of a civil war when the opposition are Islamo-fascists operating under the protection of Turkey's military.

D377MC
Well, there we are, a short video providing further support for two points made in this thread:

a. Turkish tanks were involved in the fighting in Syrian territory
b. Not much of a civil war when the opposition are Islamo-fascists operating under the protection of Turkey's military.

Idiots. The majority are hip firing. I bet their targets moved some time ago and they are just littering lead all over the hill side.

reply to post by 23432


Hey dude...ur an idiot...my parents are from Syria...I know first hand info of what's going on over there...

Ur just a paid shill spreading BS on the threads.