We are at war with Turkey; Turkish armour has trespassed on Syrian soil

reply to post by Yusomad


Turkey didn't have anything to do with the issues they are now faced with.

if your neighbor goes to war, what are you going to do?

D377MC
reply to post by TheWetCoast

 

I think you can. Their country is in ruins, 140,000 dead, mass-exodus of refugees... What else do you need to gain victim status in your books?

The Syrians did that to themselves by starting a civil war. War crimes were most likely committed by BOTH sides within Syria but it does seem that the Syrian government is responsible for the greater portion of the violence.

reply to post by MyMindIsMyOwn


I've already stated the obvious, the title is sensationalist which is to be expected from a website called syrianperspective.

If there were reports about Mexican tanks in Texas we would all no doubt be screaming war as well, so no harm done there really...it IS a serious violation of international law, and I'm not quite sure how you figure that the fact that it has happened before somehow diminishes that fact.

Regarding the Russian naval movements, no further sources...yet. The reason I say that is that the URL in question has been quite accurate in many ways by past experience, which clearly points to first-hand knowledge. Give it a day or two.

My take on it is that it could well be true. We'll have to see.

reply to post by TheWetCoast


They didn't start a civil war.

We started it for them, in exactly the same way as we did in Libya and are now doing in Ukraine. It's called a colour-revolution.
Unless you believe that the US is there out of humanitarian concerns, funding Islamic terrorists for the 'common good' of the Syrian people.

Get a grip.

Whooops

reply to post by Thurisaz



No, we don't agree I'm afraid, so don't try to make it sound as if we do. You should refrain from suggesting I don't read your posts either, as I most certainly do.

As far as I am concerned, the Turkish government is the aggressor. As far as you are concerned:

The Turkish Govt showed restraint when the Syrian missile crossed the border.... I don't blame the Turkish Govt at all if they choose to make sure that doesn't happen again.

That puts us squarely on opposite sides of the fence.

D377MC
@ Gemwolf

Sorry about the CAPS, the original title was in CAPS and I just left it that way.

Well caps dont actually emit any noise, so no harm done.

www.aljazeera.com...

Here it says they attacked a rebel convoy too. Unless the article is true in its entierty with turkish military advisors on the ground, Turkey is just keeping trouble away.

The turkish would be VERY upset about any military adventures in Syria also it takes more than advisors at this point. To have an impact Turkey would have to deploy tanks and keep them rolling to counter syrias armor.

reply to post by Merinda


That's an old article, dated 29 Jan 2014 23:08.

Sure this is true?
Been a long time with no mention of it on the news stations.

D377MC
reply to post by TheWetCoast

 

They didn't start a civil war.

We started it for them, in exactly the same way as we did in Libya and are now doing in Ukraine. It's called a colour-revolution.
Unless you believe that the US is there out of humanitarian concerns, funding Islamic terrorists for the 'common good' of the Syrian people.

Get a grip.

Quite sure the Syrian government started this whole fiasco. The whole world does seem to be run by lunatics, but I don't think the Americans can be blamed for EVERY conflict that occurs around the world.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


Pretty much.

Of course, if you want to hear it from the Western press you will have to wait until they feel they have to do damage control, which takes a little more time.

Source

Source

reply to post by D377MC


none of those sources say tanks are rolling into Syria.

there has been cross border shelling, yesterday... but right now tanks aren't rolling across borders.

reply to post by TheWetCoast


It would be nice to know where you get your conviction from, because as I said, the Syrian population is completely behind the army. Give them a little credit, they know who their enemies are.

As for the part about blaming the US....unfortunately, the US are directly responsible. I'd like to add a caveat though, it is probably better to explain that.

Who do we mean when we say the US?

The American people are not in my view responsible, although one could argue that their complacency is a factor. Instead, those responsible are those who call the shots, which means this administration, and the previous, and we can go a fair way back that way.

The thing is, whether you like to hear the truth or not, US policy has for a very long time been Israel's policy. The very powerful Jewish lobby, and the 70 odd million delusional protestant evangelical voters who blindly support it, are in my view directly responsible for the current mayhem.

I guess if you care to see where I am coming from, no the US is not directly responsible, though its military might is being employed by Israel to do its dirty work.

Here is the game-plan, it might help to view things in their proper context:

Greater Israel

Extract:

When viewed in the current context, the war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon, the 2011 war on Libya, the ongoing war on Syria, not to mention the process of regime change in Egypt, must be understood in relation to the Zionist Plan for the Middle East. The latter consists in weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of an Israeli expansionist project.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


The original source does, and as confirmed unwittingly by several posters quoting sources such as the Times from the end of January, it has happened before quite recently.

TheWetCoast

D377MC
reply to post by TheWetCoast

 

I think you can. Their country is in ruins, 140,000 dead, mass-exodus of refugees... What else do you need to gain victim status in your books?

The Syrians did that to themselves by starting a civil war. War crimes were most likely committed by BOTH sides within Syria but it does seem that the Syrian government is responsible for the greater portion of the violence.

It's not only Syrians but also many outsiders that are to blame...

Interestingly enough, and to shame those applauding Erdogan as a matter of policy, the Turkish people know full well what is going on and are absolutely against intervention in Syria.

Turkish people seek to lynch Al-Quaeda terrorists

Terrorists who are being trained and armed in Turkey, sent into Syria to fight, and treated when they get their ass whipped...

Further confirmation from Turkish sources...

Tu rkish Tanks enter Syrian Territory

reply to post by D377MC
I don't understand why the U.S. and Israel get blamed for all the problems in the region. Just because Turkey is a NATO member doesn't make them pawns to another country.

reply to post by TheWetCoast


Maybe you don't understand because you failed to read the link I provided on Greater Israel. Context is everything. Maybe the following might help to stimulate your thought-process:

According to Ergün Poyraz, in his book The Children of Moses, the Erdogan family has Jewish roots, and the American Jewish Congress gave Erdogan a 'profiles of courage award'.

Amazing how many world leaders are suddenly accidentally discovering their Jewish roots and coming out of the closet isn't it?