Questions about MKultra Divisions, researchers, and the like.

WhiteAlice


It's hit and miss and really subjective as to how I respond to various recollections.

That kind of tacks onto what I was saying earlier. It's all in how you associate stuff. Which is the basis of Pavlov's training, I think. I could be wrong.

WhiteAlice

Totally agree, even the bad memories are good because they give some sort of explanation for previously perplexing behaviors.

Well not just that. You can learn from them. Like.. a bird getting sick from eating a Monarch butterfly. They learn right quick not to eat Monarch butterflies and poison themselves. (I'm not picking it because of the program. I just would rather talk about a bird getting sick than myself.)

WhiteAlice Having amnesia really, really sucks.

Yeah I guess it could be described as amnesia. I just kind of think of it as "taken" or "missing". I was asked once about two years ago if I'd like to remember. I told the lady "only if it doesn't hurt me." So I woke up not remembering and cursing myself for an answer I'd taught myself to say when I was very small. Buzzer. Wrong answer!

So there are chunks at night and chunks in the day. Chunks in school, in the hospital, whatever. And it isn't that you think you've forgotten. They're just not there. They're missing.

WhiteAlice Having amnesia really, really sucks. I did have my mother claim false memory for one of my recollections. I was really careful about how I worded it.

I don't know if I'd talk to my mother about these things. Sure we used to talk about stuff when I was a kid. Mostly it was Dad... but now... I dunno. Heavy Southern accent, "I don't believe in that stuff" is her motto now. Makes me not want to bother. So. You got to broach the topic at all. Pretty big.

WhiteAlice As far as the butterfly catcher thing goes, I wasn't the person who used that phrase so I don't know if there are things that say this person is that.

Yes, but I just wonder. Like they have a list of red flags for cults. If you were to list red flags, what would they be? Always good to recognize.

I think red flag 1 would be: an insisting way of always knowing more than you about everything. Curiosity about you as a person is on a superficial level. Say something and you're going to get corrected, either passively or aggressively. They would always need to feel superior in a way that has you following after.

FraZZleD38
reply to post by kwakakev

 

I agree with kwakakev keep a note book with you at all times. Write everything that comes to your mind. You might get bits and pieces like a puzzle. Eventually those bits and pieces will start to create a picture of your memory.

This is what Kathy Obrien did to help get her life back and most of her memory. She did not talk to others, even her husband didn't want to hear everything because he didn't want to influence her memory in any way. She kept a note book which in turn became her story. She wrote down her thoughts and memories and her book is called "Transformation of America pdf" you can find it in PDF word format on the internet. After reading her story I felt so bad for her that I purchased one of her books. The sad thing is it's full of triggers and should not be read by someone that has already been programed. But it's a great story about how she got her life and memory back bit by bit.

She basically deprogrammed herself through her notes. It takes years to get your life back just remember it took years to program you. Deprogramming yourself will take years also.

Thanks for the reminder. I actually *have* been taking notes since I was 14, so I've got a head start there. No worries. And ironically I'm late in joining up with information in my life because I just kind of knew I had to get my story straight first, and the rest would follow after. But then again seeing people who read books first and then tried to straighten things out kind of showed me that wasn't the smartest thing to do.

I've been trying to read her first book for over a year now. I'll do a little here and there as I can. I'm brushing up the PDF into an epub for ereaders as I go. It's been an interesting read so far, but unfortunately sitting down and relaxing doesn't happen much for me. Too much work to do. This thread here I think is the most "deep" conversation I've had in just as long. Sooner or later work will explode again and I'll have to step back.

O'brien was a fantastic, engaging lady. I heard about her for the first time only months before she passed away. The world lost a very special star that day.

Onesmartrat
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Your mother at nineteen...a full adult getting slapped in the face by your father...like she was a child....which by the way would most ceryainly induce age regression as I bet that wasn't the first time he slapped her....and of course she overheard your grandmother telling that to someone over the phone...did your grandfather slap her across the face too?

Corrected form (factual errors corrected in bold):

"Your mother at nineteen...a full adult getting slapped in the face by your grandfather...like she was a child....which by the way would most certainly induce age regression as I bet that wasn't the first time he slapped her....and of course she overheard your grandfather telling that to someone over the phone...did your grandfather slap her across the face too?"

Please compare what I wrote and your interpretation to understand the errors.

As for my grandmother, I'm not going to talk about her with you. I will say that it would have been impossible for her to speak on the phone at the time due to the way she was. My mother was up there visiting to take care of her. I'd explain that to you but, honestly, I know I'd only regret it.

There are certain things that anger me and that is those who pollute what was done to many innocent people between the years of 1958 til 1973 or the continual fallout from the research done at that time, no matter how it was rebranded thereafter. MK-ULTRA destroyed so many lives and yet, most people think it's just another crazy conspiracy and didn't really happen. Why? Because it gets associated with so much b.s. that it's beyond recognizable as to what was actually occurring. You seem to think that they were somehow making puppets out of people and that is so far from the truth. They freaking destroyed people to almost a point of non-functioning. Trust me, I know. I have a whole lot of reason for being on any thread that has MK-ULTRA in its title. I'm definitely not here for the "yaks".

As far as what you wanted with Aquino, that's not any of my business whether your intent was to confront or question. Zero interest.

spearcarrier
That kind of tacks onto what I was saying earlier. It's all in how you associate stuff. Which is the basis of Pavlov's training, I think. I could be wrong.

Conditioning. Yep. Conditioning is a very real thing. It's like if there is a loud crash behind me, I'll jump out of my skin. That's conditioning. Woof, woof, lol. I'm terrified to figure out why I'm pathologically afraid of clowns, lol.

Well not just that. You can learn from them. Like.. a bird getting sick from eating a Monarch butterfly. They learn right quick not to eat Monarch butterflies and poison themselves. (I'm not picking it because of the program. I just would rather talk about a bird getting sick than myself.)

lol, yeah, pretty much. I learned how to tip toe around my mother in the same way. If I know what's going to get her mad, I can avoid doing those particular things. It's like kicking a hornet's nest. After you do it once, you know that kicking it is going to get some angry bees.

Yeah I guess it could be described as amnesia. I just kind of think of it as "taken" or "missing". I was asked once about two years ago if I'd like to remember. I told the lady "only if it doesn't hurt me." So I woke up not remembering and cursing myself for an answer I'd taught myself to say when I was very small. Buzzer. Wrong answer!

So there are chunks at night and chunks in the day. Chunks in school, in the hospital, whatever. And it isn't that you think you've forgotten. They're just not there. They're missing.

Yep. That's why I call mine like having a big black hole or a void. Saying that one has forgotten something is like saying that one has forgotten where they put their keys. It's not that simple when the keys blink out of memory. Totally get what you're saying.

I don't know if I'd talk to my mother about these things. Sure we used to talk about stuff when I was a kid. Mostly it was Dad... but now... I dunno. Heavy Southern accent, "I don't believe in that stuff" is her motto now. Makes me not want to bother. So. You got to broach the topic at all. Pretty big.

I'm careful of what I say to either to be honest. Sorry if I gave the impression that I freely talk about this with either of them. She did a lot of things to me and I always remain very cognizant of that. However, that does not mean that I cannot see if she'll answer a question or two now and then. My parents and I had some tremendous blow outs over the last several years. It's not been pretty but I'm keeping it at a kind of stasis until I'm certain that I cannot get anymore information from them. I'd love to ask my mother about the tape I found in her house but that'd be like running through a minefield with her. I choose life, lol. I am glad that she did recant her statement and did have that momentary discussion with me as it was very enlightening. It basically confirmed that her father was as just as "peculiar" with her as he was with me. Because of that, I do carry a lot of empathy for her as well because he was her daily existence when she was a child.

Yes, but I just wonder. Like they have a list of red flags for cults. If you were to list red flags, what would they be? Always good to recognize.

I think red flag 1 would be: an insisting way of always knowing more than you about everything. Curiosity about you as a person is on a superficial level. Say something and you're going to get corrected, either passively or aggressively. They would always need to feel superior in a way that has you following after.

Those are pretty good, too. Mine were isolating and dependency (similar to your superior one).

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Oh my Gawd....Cathy O'Brien ' deprogrammed' ....as if deprogramming was even possible. But her of all people....wow...and her husband...who I have had personal intrractions with...who is a known collaborator with the handlers and programmers at best ....and at worst a Monarch Multiple handler himself.

There's your 'butterfly catcher'.....its also called 'containment' by the way.


Cathy O'Brien 'deprogrammed'....wow....have they fooled all of you.

No wonder.


Pro Libertate!

-OSR

reply to post by spearcarrier


Hey.....listen....I said very clearly stop reading my posts.
You and your friend here can make your jabs all you want at me....delusions of grandeur and run on sentences.....yes....I ....do it that way for a reason.....you and your husband can' t make sense of it.....hey....that's too bad but really I don't care so take your dressing down and try on someone else.

Newsflash:

I AM NOT HERE FOR YOUR BENEFIT.

Pro -Libertate!

-OSR

reply to post by WhiteAlice
[more)
I know you had such 'zero' interest in my coming in here to find Aquino that you went and pasted links in here from some transcript he gave months ago even though I made it clear why I was here ....but of course...you are always right.

As for the rest....well....I guess it depends on which ever alter I am talking to at the moment....and frankly, I am tired of talking to yours.

Oh and one more thing....

Pro Libertate!

-OSR

reply to post by Onesmartrat

hypnosis triggers dissociative responses in. a Monarch Multiple....and that can be counter-productive ....you want ASSOCIATIVE responses

In terms of accessing memory, associative responses are beneficial. Then there are also examples of high memory recollection while being in a dissociative / hypnotic state. I do accept that there is a long term mental maze for anyone trying to undo some of the chronic damage and conditioning that has been done to them, no matter which techniques the individual tries to heal, repair and define themselves.

and emotions are dangerous because they can trigger re-association into an integrated state

Is this one of the aims of this thread, how to reintegrate the individual? Can you elaborate on the role of emotion and it''s dangers in terms of mind control?

reply to post by WhiteAlice

"Dissociative disorder is one of the most prevalant conditions in any given population ....."

Here is lie number one.


Dissociative disorders fall on a spectrum.....not:

"....it is a spectrum of effects."

While there is a spectrum of dissociative disorders....the type of the most extreme kind as I have been discussing IS NOT one of the most prevalent conditions amongst any given population. And its not 10 % but actually 5% of the population have the capacity for deep states of trance....dissociative trance.

"Dissociative disorder....does not mean one has 'split personality."

Lie number two.

Split-personality....as it used to be called....is now called Borderline Personality Disorder and has little to do with what I was discussing in previous post. BPD is one of the more extreme examples of a chronic dissociative disorder but it is not the most extreme form and is not involved with Monarch Programming.

Monarch Programming involves the deliberate creation of a covert system of what used to be called MPD or Multiple Personality Disorder....now called...by clinicians...ridiculously...DID.....Dissociative Identity Disorder.

NOT ALL DISSOCIATIVE DISORDERS INVOLVE MULTIPLE IDENTITIES....!

An eating disorder can be classified as a dissociative disorder....but there too will be co-morbidity will other symptoms.....and there can be also Monarch Multiples who have eating disorders....but not all with eating disorders are Monarchs.

etc...etc...etc.

Just so that's clear about what I was saying as opposed to misinformation in quoted post.

Also...anyone who suspects their involvement in mind control....MKULTRA....or whatever 'project' they want to name....and has symptomatic pathology of MPD....DID....diagnosed or otherwise is someone who was exposed early on before the age of four or five to MONARCH PROGRAMMING without question.

There are of course those....rare individuals who aquire MPD ...DID...spontaneously from extreme and prolonged....ie. repeated childhood abuse trauma....but these are rare in the population and they do not 'present' the way Monarch Multiples do ....that is their symptoms....if you will....do not manifest in the same way as Monarch Multiples. Spontaneous MPD/DID is NOT COVERT or DISCRETE the way it is with Programmed Monarch Multiples. For an example of a spontaneous Multiple....read the case of
Sybil Dorsett by Flora Rheta Schreiber...titled 'Sybil'.


Pro Libertate!

-OSR

reply to post by kwakakev


"There are also many examples of high memory recollection while being in a dissociative hypnotic state."

Uh...okay ...I will try and address this aspect first of what you said. First off...not sure what your reference is for "high memory recollection"....?

Perhaps if you could site an example or two? It does not have to be a personal one. Contrary to the prevailing propaganda about me here...I am not trying to pry into anybody's personal stuff...unless they make the decision to tell me. I am asking because the nature of Monarch Programming is a lot different than going through hypnosis for 'normal' trauma memory recovering because there...even though you have dissociative and perhaps amnesiac symptomology....it is spontaneous and not engineered by ...'professionals'.

In the former case of spontaneous dissociation with amnesia, there is a natural intrinsic order that is geared towards healing via integration of mind body and emotions...therefore accessing memories may be a bit traumatic and stressful...part of that is normal...feeling the stuff that was shunted off during the initial trauma.
But with the latter....Monarch Programming, you have an engineered ...a deliberately created type of dissociative and amnesiac situation where the programmers....again many of them doctors...psychiatrists...etc fully understand the inherent drive within towards healing and memory recall involving integration of the trauma is circumvented by various means that involve intense torture with the programmers installing 'boobie' traps within via the child's Internal World Reality Sets....example of such a thing would be a 'scene' where an hour glass would be running out of sand....or a spider would crawl down a web....or an internal voice would say a phrase designed to cause a faux heart attack....these internal scenes are created within the child's imagination but are designed by programmers to trigger the life- threatening physical...and psychological responses of the parts or alters or introjects of the programmer will come into play to prevent any attempt towards integration....because these fragmentd parts of mind code this as death...the end of 'their' existence. Remember what I said about 'profound pretending to the point of an absolutely perceived realuty in my previous posting about how all this is done.

Alters...of the child that 'took the pain' while the other fragmented parts of the psyche ie...the child...were rescued by 'them' and as such these parts that were created within respond to ANY perceived threat to discovery of their ....or ANY of the other Alters existence will respond as 'gate keepers' and trigger all manner of physiological...and psychological effects to 'rescue' the child....adult...from perceived peril and what is CODED by them as life-threatening. The programmers also repeatedly threatened verbally during all the trauma that death would be the result for the child ...the child's family...the child's pets...etc. These 'alters' conditioned to respond when the child...perhaps now an adult goes into a formally induced hypnotic trance where there may be risk of discovery of the truth and present the 'acted out' (during the original programming sessions) 'screens' or cover stories in order to 'rescue' the child again....from what is essentially the threat if death if the real truth which lay much deeper down within ( the deeper brain wave state alters). Dissociative hypnotic trance cultivates rich cover stories...like abound in abductee takes such as Whitley Streiber (Communion).

reply to post by kwakakev

Sorry for the broken up response...I am typing all this on a cell phone and the technology has limitations....the screen floats at a certain point in a longer post and I cannot do certain things like scroll down or correct typos past a certain point. The extended sentences involve a combination of this limited input device and another alter who switches over when the discussion shifts into certain areas of focus....a factor if I had been asked I would have explained but others here who have no real understanding of themselves or me found such sport in mocking it instead. Unaware Monarchs are often cruel to other Monarchs as a way of empowering themselves by showing loyalty to their masters...and when I say this I am talking about a certain set of alters that lay deep within the system who dish out this crap and then 'porpose' back down within while the host persona is completely unaware this is what is happening ....but will always rationalize the behavior to self and others and blame the bullying or rather justify it by insisting that they 'deserved' it or brought it on themselves. The targetted individual is always perceived as a threat within the deeper levels of alters.

I will try within my limited means to be clear despite the unusual posting format that I am forced to adopt. I beg your patience in this respect.


Your second and third points regarding emotions and the 'point' of this thread possibily being 'integration'.

On the point of this thread: I have no idea because I did not start it. It appears to be a discussion of subject matter related to mind control and further than that I cannot or prefer not to speculate.

As for 'integration'...it is my belief there is no such thing for a Monarch Multiple ....or anyone no matter what they call themselves who has been subjected to this type of engineered multiplicity before the age of four or five. There are several reasons for this belief....all are based on my experience and knowledge base derived from many years of working directly with countless Monarch Multiples ...in person as well as online. As well as research and my own personal experience as a Monarch Multiple who has become self-aware and done much work with others who worked with me and subsequent work on myself. Integration is a myth. It is also a big distraction ...a derailment of self-awareness for Monarchs and attempts at it actually produce the opposite of associated consciousness....co-consciousness and can and does in effect reinforce Monarch Programming.

A child subjected to Monarch Programming must be exposed before the age of four or five for programming to be successful. This is because at that age prior to having formed its own sense if ego-identity, a child will be as an 'open slate' as well as still being psycho-emotionally identified with mother...father ...if no mother in picture...as its not yet formed a full-fledged sense of self and ego-identity.

Integration presupposes a return to homeostasis in term of a 'core' state of being. For a child subjected to Monarch Programming...their 'core' state of being as in their identified relationship to 'self' IS as a collective of selves co-existing within one body. Granted it was created within the child by deliberate means.....means that are so entrenched within the psyche in ways that literally prohibit any possible reality of the idea of integration physically alone...not to mention psycho-emotionally .. .is not at possible nor should it even be a desired outcome for the optimum health and wellbeing of the individual.

This requires further explanation that also can segway into a response regarding the dangers of emotion for the programmers and why emotion is the key to what I call associated co-consciousness and self-awareness for Monarch Multiples.

That discussion will have to wait until my next visit here as it is late and its time to say goodnight.

Goodnight!


Pro Libertate!

-OSR

reply to post by Onesmartrat

high memory recollection

It is a general statement about ones memory function. People with a high level have good recall abilities compared to people with a low level having bad memory recall abilities. There are many different reasons and conditions affecting memory recall, as an example the mind controlled victim at the hands of a handler can remember all about their latest mission. Yet when not in the dissociative state induced and guided by their handler, the victim can have no recollection about any mission or it's details.

While the whole mind control process has gone to great lengths to hide and separate the mission details from the rest of the victims life, if the victim could gain access to the same neural pathways and mental states that are kept separate from the everyday life then the victim does get a chance at integrating their being and put an end to this secret double life.

From your descriptions, it does sound like if the victim does work towards overcoming their fear of death it will help towards mitigating some of the boobie traps. But with these experiments, it does appear that many different techniques and approaches have been and continue to be tried, so what might work for some will not work for others.

WhiteAliceMK-ULTRA destroyed so many lives and yet, most people think it's just another crazy conspiracy and didn't really happen. Why?

Yeah, seriously. Why!

www.dailymail.co.uk...
www.wired.com...
www.wanttoknow.info...

Onesmartrat
reply to post by spearcarrier

 

Newsflash:

I AM NOT HERE FOR YOUR BENEFIT.

Pro -Libertate!

-OSR

That much is kind of obvious to the world.... k, so now that you're losing my attention again, don't get mad that I ignore you k? K.

kwakakev

Yet when not in the dissociative state induced and guided by their handler, the victim can have no recollection about any mission or it's details.

Something my father once told me and I've heard backed up by random people in articles is that when you get older, to say a little younger than I am now, the matrix so carefully built begins to break down. Memories and things begin to smush together, as it were, and the recall which was so difficult before that needed a handler starts to become a little easier.

He told me that he long ago stopped being "separate people" (his words) and just didn't care anymore.

There are many different reasons and conditions affecting memory recall, as an example the mind controlled victim at the hands of a handler can remember all about their latest mission. Yet when not in the dissociative state induced and guided by their handler, the victim can have no recollection about any mission or it's details.

But things can be remembered sans handler, yes? Which is my point. For example, last night I was watching a documentary with my husband and lo. There flung up for all to see was a particular patch I've been looking for. I think all of one detail was off. It was thrilling to finally have tracked down that unit after all this time. I didn't need a handler to remember that. I got that data out by reconstructing something.

From your descriptions, it does sound like if the victim does work towards overcoming their fear of death it will help towards mitigating some of the boobie traps. But with these experiments, it does appear that many different techniques and approaches have been and continue to be tried, so what might work for some will not work for others.

Exactly! And some of those boobie traps aren't death traps. It isn't all about doom and gloom. There's social destruction, too, to make you ineffective. There's distraction, to make the "helper's" actions ineffective. Sabotage, to not only make you ineffective but too distracted with survival to get very far. And of course your classic locked areas, that only open at certain times and the minute you try to do it on purpose they close and information/memories/even people's names disappear on you.

Here's a little something about the "spectrum" of dissociative disorders for those that are curious. Didn't look far, just enough to satisfy curiosity. Nice lists, nice explanation, nice pie.

www.strangerinthemirror.com...

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Uh...okay....I thought you said in previous post that there were "many examples" of people who have had what you are calling "high memory recall"....now you are saying it's general....?

Unfortunately....I cannot paste qoutes in here or even see them when I qoute a post to respond to....but that's okay. I am sure you will find people who will agree with you in here. I do not however...and I offered my expanation in previous post. I did not say one can not get memory recall from hypnosis...what I said was that the kind of memory recall one gets is only what you are supposed to get at a certain level of 'alter states'.

The people behind Monarch Programming weren't ....aren't....fools. These doctors anticipated that people would at some point gain access to forbidden memories....they learned much from past mistakes as with Candy Jones....the New York model in the 40's who was used as a spy after having been 'Monarchized'.

As I said...Monarch Programming cannot happen after the age of four or five because they must get to the child before they form a fully separate ego-identity from the parents. To talk about 'integration' with someone like this is foolish because the word itself means nothing but some kind of theorhetical state where all the various levels of alter-identities somehow 'fuse' together back into one....right! But that is rather preposterous and at the same time fairly cruel and alot of damage and years of suffering has been done by misguided and misinformed therapists attempting to do this with Monarchs.

Oh sure,you'll get people who insisted that they hsve indeed integrated....I know one in particular of some noteriety whom I personally spent much time with and have first hand knowledge about what a fallacy that was with her.She insisted she had integrated all her alters....and had a whole scenario about being "healed by Jesus"....and quite a detailed description of her "glory of God" moment.....! But then....I took a little trip with her to her sister's house on one Easter morning. There was a goat tied up outside her house. Five hours later when we left...the goat was gone and I had an hour and forty-five minutes missing from my memory there. And when I retreived it using protocals she herself taught me...there we were with her in a weird scene in a 'secret' room in her sister's basement in what I can only describe as 'street theatre' her sister had set-up to further contain any attempts by her deeper alters working with me or anybody else...and frankly it was pretty effective on her...and I won't even tell you what happened to the goat! The issue wasn't about a masquerade of some kind of occult ritual....because all that is as I said is an acted out theme on the part of the sister-handler to terrorize the Lightside Alters and provide a 'created screen drama' to cover the real intention behind the charade which was all about containment. It worked on her...but not on me because SRA themes never were entrenched within my system.

My point being that this woman knew more about this than anyone....helped thousands....genuinely helped them...and yet still she bought the fantasy...the theory of integration and wholeheartedly believed it...just as those here buy into it....yet I witnessed just how empty of any reality that belief was...and is.

As far as recalling alter state memories in present of handler....that is what is called state-dependent memory....and it only available to whatevet alter the handler calls up at any given point in time....it is not memory available to other alters ir the presenting 'host' consciousness. It is strictly state-dependent memory and if course it would make sense because each alter would have a memory of its own life history and would have to in order to remember its training and job function.

New neural pathways. Interesting you should mention this....leads into a conversation about Remote Viewing...which right now I have no time to go into but will later on if I remember to talk about it.


Your questions are very good....very astute....you have a keen inquiring mind that appears to be open. Keep it that way if you can....because too many do not especially as they get older. I imagine you as younger than the others currently posting here...stay young in your mind if thats the case....if not than good for you for keeping it 'young'.


Pro Libertate!

-OSR

reply to post by WhiteAlice


Was the system ever supposed to be secret ? It seems to me that it was a relay system for communications in the remote Alaskan wilderness. One phone call at a time from anchorage to Nome was unsatisfactory. Hence these relay stations. Replaced by satellite communications as soon as was feasable
Your own personal story seems a bit more tragic to me. We are sisters in this sense as my own mom was a candidate for the loony bin too. She burned me instead of strangling me and punctuated her words with wacks from a belt buckle. I... wack... told... wack... you ...wack etc. How bad can a small for her age six year old be?
I didn't suffer dissociative disorders but I do spend and have always spent a large amount of my life alone. And I have issues with anger .

reply to post by WhiteAlice


Alice, have you ever heard of brainwave entrainment? Not hypnosis in any sense as the only content is sound or light no speech not even subliminal. This technology allows access to the subconscious a little at a time in an awakend state. I have several CDs which offer several consciousness states from alpha to epsolon and only take about twenty minutes of quiet time a day. It can cause some ahem uncomfortable moments but memory of a traumatic event is never as bad as the actual event and this can put you in touch with some deeply buried stuff. Continued use however creates new neural pathways and syncs both sides of the brain creating a new and much improved way of thinking. It also causes your brain to produce some really neat and beneficial hormones like hgh that movie stars pay tens of thousands of dollars for. They get it in shots. I'm 57 but no one believes me when I tell them . I look way younger than most women my age so either they are lying about their age or this claim is true. The main benefit is access to stuff buried deep in the subconscious which can effect your life even if you can't make the connection.
If nothing else it's twenty minutes of quiet time and can be used at bedtime so no loss of productive time during the day.

reply to post by spearcarrier


Look...I realize you are a Multiple....but I am a bit tired of the various jabs at me that your bud here keeps making because I tried my best to help her once many years back on another online site....and lo and behold I come into this site and THIS thread and the first post I read is this person ranting about some kind of abuse she imagines she had at what I can only presume is me from her descritiption and lo behold she not only confirms it but then starts at me with vitriolic criticism and then starts psychoanalyzing my intentions and mocking my posting style despite the fact I made every attempt to offer an olive branch and reconcile her misdirected rage at me....and then she continually misinteprets what I have said and when I did it to her...ON PURPOSE I might add...well you can see how she responded with the shoe on the other foot. Now notice I just gave you a metaphor...its a programming reference by the way...which you do a lot of in here....yes....its a colloquillism...but that's what they do.

Regardless...my point is you jumped in at just about every point where she took another swing at me with validation and approval...and what that tells me is that you are well.....okay here's another programming reference "under her spell".....now.....you can't read the alter whose posting the relevant info on Monarch Programming....nor can your husband...so as you can see that alter has something to say to you,but you can't read it you say so now I have switched back and am writing in standard sentence structure punctuation marks in all the right places (insert semi-colon) so you are limiting yourself solely to the 'advice' 'truth' etc...of one individual whose opinions sit well with you. Fine. That's safe...if that's what you want, but then that's all you'll have isn't it?

When I said I wasn't here for your benefit I was speaking to that alter of yours whose behavior intandem with Ms. AliceWhite here I find rather annoying and hateful...and if you think that her path is your path to happiness then go for it...I sincerely wish you the best, but read my posts or don't...I just am tired of hearing about your repeated threats...well okay threats is not a good word here, but its clear I am now talking to a much younger alter and it feels like you think it matters to complain and whine about my posts and tell me you are going to ignore me if...if I what? Don't behave? Don't see things your way or your pal's way here?

Well, I don't (insert period) but that doesn't mean my world stops if you or any of your other alters stop reading my posts...k? And me telling you all that doesn't mean I don't care about you as a fellow human being...k?


Thanks for being you and have an extra special and wonderful day.


Oh...and one more thing ( dot dot dot)


Pro Libertate!

-OSR