Canadian doctor makes anti-Obamacare senator look like a buffoon

Whoa, dont know what i did wrong there...sorry.

"It wasn't a rebuke. Although I find it a bit hypocritical to have Canadians telling us how much our healthcare sucks then demand that we can't make any discussion of the faults of theirs. I'd think that in an INFORMATIONAL FORUM we should be free to criticize your system as you ours.

He was not telling about your system based on right wing politics. The truth be told your system has some flaws, wether you care to admit it or not."

The Canadian healthcare system is FAR from perfect. It is also not universal, contrary to what many people seem to think.

Eye glasses, the dentist, prescription medication is only partially covered, or not at all.

There are not enough family doctors or General Practitioners in some communities and wait times for some non-essential surgery is too long in some places. It is funded Federally but run by the Province.

macman
I have yet to see anyone die, because they couldn't get treatment. That is the biggest farce out there.
I have seen hospitals go bankrupt because of this Govt forced guarantee.

I've only gotten to your post so far on page 4 but felt I had to comment on this statement. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you are referring to the Hippocratic Oath. Which is taken of the doctors own free will to not do harm if it can be helped(very abridged version). I did a quick search for us laws on the oath but didn't find anything. If you have something in US law about treating patients I'd love to read it. Otherwise I'm going to have to say the gov't mandated guarantee to keep people from dying as a lot of hot air.

Willtell


The conservative fought everything from civil rights laws, to child labor laws, overtime, and safety rules on Jobs, and ALL human progress of this society because they are apart of the dark side, imo.

You really need to go and look who opposed those things.

Civil rights were opposed largely by the Democrat party.


Please, go and research a bit.

reply to post by MOMof3


How is it my financial responsibility again for you to go get a medical check, that is supposed to be on you to get and pay for?

reply to post by Leonidas


So now "caring" equals taking my money and giving to other?

Care to re-define any other words/terms???

AzureSky
Heres an idea. Socialism (god forbid) for the NEEDS of humanity. Capitalism for the WANTS of humanity. Seems fair no?

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I think this should be shouted from the rooftops worldwide.

2nd.

macman
reply to post by MOMof3

 

How is it my financial responsibility again for you to go get a medical check, that is supposed to be on you to get and pay for?

In your system, it's not.

In our system we made the choice to MAKE it our responsibility because we believe it is the right thing to do. We have made the choice to make health care a national priority. And we continue to make that choice by nominating and electing politicians that uphold those values as well.

The question isn't whether we should share the cost of looking after each other, the ongoing question with every election is how do we do it better? How can it be more efficient? How can it be improved.

If a Canadian politician, at any level of government, for any party ran on a platform of scaling back healthcare they likely would not even be nominated - by any party - because it is a core value shared by the vast majority of Canadians.

MOMof3
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I have so much to learn about the world, thanks. The border is a beautiful 200mile drive from here.

Ummm...happy to have you drop by, but if the impression was that you could walk in and get your colonoscopy, that would be an error. You definitely need to present provincial ID to show you've got coverage. Then you make an appointment. You wouldn't be seen overnight unless you were displaying some symptoms requiring urgency.

macman
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So now "caring" equals taking my money and giving to other?

Care to re-define any other words/terms???

That is on you. That is how you are defining the word. You pay taxes to pay for shared services that benefit other people every year.

The issue is what services should be included.

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Ahhhh, the Hippocratic oath is for treatment, not the financial part of things.

Doctors are there to treat people, but it is their career as well and need to be paid for the work they perform.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


What about the actual cost? A procedure here cost thousands of dollars. Would it be cheaper in Canada for a non-citizen?

MOMof3
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

What about the actual cost? A procedure here cost thousands of dollars. Would it be cheaper in Canada for a non-citizen?

You'd have to investigate that. I honestly don't know.

reply to post by Leonidas


And that is great for you. Fantastic even.

And you can keep it.

Or do you truly think you should be telling the people of your neighboring country how to act and what they should be doing?

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Mom, send me a PM.

reply to post by Leonidas


Noooo. You tried to redefine the word.

Caring does not mean take from me to give to you. That is theft, except when talking about Govt.

The Govt, let me rephrase...The US Govt was not designed to "care" for people. It was designed to be the least intrusive means for Govt, on the Federal level.

But, i guess you will just lecture me, the US citizen, in how we should be more like you.

macman
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And that is great for you. Fantastic even.

And you can keep it.

Or do you truly think you should be telling the people of your neighboring country how to act and what they should be doing?

No I dont, and I haven't. I specifically haven't. I SAID it was our choice, and we reaffirm that choice. Your choice is not to. Although it does appear as though a great many of your citizens DO want to adopt a system that helps take care of everyone.

The bad news is Obamacare appears to be a complete, unmitigated disaster.

Not only does it not seem to accomplish much of the goals they originally said it would, it is costing even MORE. If I was you I would be really angry about that too.

But the sentiment that drove a large number of Americans to WANT a healthcare system that took care of everyone exists. A great number of Canadians and Americans agree on taking care of others. Yes, with our tax dollars.

Leonidas

Your choice is not to. Although it does appear as though a great many of your citizens DO want to adopt a system that helps take care of everyone.

Not really. Don't know really of anyone that wants it, except the Progressives bantering on TV/Media that are not in the majority.

Leonidas
The bad news is Obamacare appears to be a complete, unmitigated disaster.

It was designed that way.

Leonidas
Not only does it not seem to accomplish much of the goals they originally said it would, it is costing even MORE. If I was you I would be really angry about that too.

And the majority are, as we don't want this crap, nor more Govt control over Health Care.

Leonidas
But the sentiment that drove a large number of Americans to WANT a healthcare system that took care of everyone exists. A great number of Americans agree on taking care of others. Yes, with our tax dollars.

No, no they don't.
There is a reason why it was worked into law in the manner it was.
It is not wanted.

The US people want mostly, a few items within the ACA.

And taking care of people is not stealing from me to give to someone else.
That is not caring for someone, because it is not caring about me, the one that has money removed from. It is truly the forgotten man played out in reality.

macman
Caring does not mean take from me to give to you. That is theft, except when talking about Govt.

Then why not lessen the theft?

Full universal is cheaper then current US status quo.

I am an American and I am sickened (no pun intended) by the lack of empathy from ATS Americans.

The American government is sick and it seems to be infecting it's citizens too.