To all who believe in ghosts.. Let me put this myth to rest!

The biggest flaw in your theory is that practically every assumption you make is flawed. Your system of values are error ridden to begin with, and your grasp of science is very limited, not conducive to understanding what a spirit is.

And when you put all that together, and arrive at a conclusion that they don't exist because you don't understand, it means that you are implementing the same (instinctive) procedure that an ostrich uses when confronted by things they wish to ignore.

Stop doing that!!

reply to post by br0ker


Let me condense a story for you.

In 1998, my friend's mother asked us to help her friend Dan move his stuff out of the 150 year old house he was renting and we agreed.
So we get to the place and Dan was there to greet us and thanked us for coming because he couldn't get any help.
We asked what he wanted us to start with and he said to start with boxes in the upstairs rooms.
My friend went upstairs while I quickly used the bathroom.
As I came out, my friend comes running down the stairs looking very pale - he is quite dark.
I thought he was sick until Dan asked him what was the matter.
My friend said he just saw an effin' ghost, man!!!.
Dan replied, "oh, you saw the old man too..."
My friend took one look at me and said lets get the eff out of here. So we did.
On the drive back to his mother's place and much silence, I asked him what he saw...
He said, "an old man!"

I've never spoke of this until now and I believe him!

reply to post by br0ker

In ways youre not understanding, so you dont. I think its more of an issue as to WHY you feel so adamant in trying to convince everyone else youre right...when we arent trying to convince you that we are.

We dont need to do that as you do...and its sad youve placed yourself in a position not to learn something from those who know youre wrong. Which you are.

There should always be room to grow with knowledge from others...not kick the door shut because you cant believe something COULD be true. Which again...it is.

reply to post by Darkblade71


So you experienced a ghost. An entity of a dead person.
Tell me,
How long did you look at it, directly?
What did it look like?
What did it do?
Had you taken any substances or were you under pressure at the time?
And how do you explain what you experienced and why?

I really encourage people to try and give SOME kind of scientific reasoning to their belief, and or encounter.

Sure, some people can argue, but I really encourage people to look at this from a scientific POV. Like in the OP subject.

reply to post by mysterioustranger


Ok then, explain to me how a ghost can move a door...

Well that is a bold statement as I don't believe in the paranormal either. But before you all start let me finish. The reason for me not believing in the PARAnormal is that in my opinion it is normal activity that science at this moment in time does not have the capability to explain or replicate. In the same way that if you took a set of 2 way radios back to 1500 they would burn you as a witch.

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Name the errors in the OP please.

reply to post by br0ker


Have you done any reseach into Zero Point Energy?

It is this ambient energy all around us.

If Ghosts are real, then they might be able to access Zero Point Energy to manifest.

One last thing.... A lightning bolt has no mass, it has no brain, yet it can cause massive damage and also be seen.

Define physical entity, it is important. Just because you can't see a thing it doesn't mean it does not have an effect in the physical world, for example magnetism.

What is what you persieve? Is it something physical? At the end all you get is transformed into chemical signals. The brain can be affected by magnetic fields. If someone see something and says its a ghost and there is no evidence of what is said is true or false, that doesn't mean is not true, what if that person really saw something what if what was seen is generated inside the brain by a real phenomena, it's true the person saw something caused by something real that would not left any physical evidence unless you are monitoring brain waves.

Now about physical entity, when you examine the universe at a really small scale where quantum effects are evident, reality seems a little bit different and less obvious, see quantum entanglement for example, or how really not void a vacuum is.

What really is unscientific is to discard anything without having evidence forth or agaist. Science works based on empiric evidence.

In my old apartment there was a ghost that made itself known a few times, but not often, My wife left to visit family for 2 weeks once and during her absence, this ghost knocked on our bathroom door if I was in there. I would say, yes? How can I help you spirit? but it would never do anything further, until the next time..The way I sensed it was real is because it was projecting emotional thoughts to me. Usually it was not happy with me, but it wasn't hostile, just perturbed for some reason.

I have had ghosts try to scare me a few times, but when they do it, I have usually laughed at them. I would say things like, "ill bet you expected me to be scared didn't you?" One was doing this at my old job, and there, this ghost was being seen and it was bothering everyone who worked there. The owner's kid got spooked so bad, he quit working there and would never go there again.

This is still happening there to this day. It tries to mess around with people by talking or saying something near you.. The owner's kid was laughing at another worker who told him the ghost was bothering him. The kid said he was nuts because there aren't any ghosts. and just then, something made really creepy noises right by both of them and scared them both real good. This is when that kid took off and has never gone back.

This ghost is the most up close and personal one I have ever experienced.. They DO exist.

br0ker
reply to post by NullVoid

 

People can trick themselves into believing just about anything. Happens all the time, apparently.

How did you come to the conclusion they don't exist?
Not seeing one personally is less than scientific proof of anything.

reply to post by br0ker

When you mentioned ghosts, you are dealing with the supernatural stuff, like Valentina said above. You cant argue because its outside law of reason (from modern perspective).

When I reply to you, I'm not specifically mean ghost ONLY, theres a whole lots more.
With religion, you can explain it, with science, you cannot, because science limited only to physical while religion deal with the non physical.

If having a religion is troublesome for you/anyone, let alone believing in these stuff. These supernatural stuff been recorded since man began writing, but science dare not to touch it, "afraid of the unknown syndrome", my word .

There are plenty of stuff science dare not touch and its hidden from us. The main problem with science, they dont believe thus does not exist thus no need to investigate. Its such a loss to human as a species to ignore these supernatural stuff, they are part of our environment and we ignore them. The result is somebody like you.

Somebody who is working hard to reaffirm his belief that these things does not exist.
With that, I repeat - keep confiding yourself or just simply - accept it

oh, poor op poster. someone needs to back her\him up.
i'll back her\him up.
he's\he's still so wrong though.

reply to post by br0ker


Hi there! I understand your skepticism. I think it's healthy to be skeptical (to a certain degree). But I wanted to ask you what YOU think this phenomenon is? Specifically, poltergeist activity, which is fairly well documented.

I myself have witnessed poltergeist activity. I witnessed an ashtray fly across a room in a straight line and smack into the wall on the opposite side of the house. It was broad daylight, I was stone cold sober (It happened at about 11:30am shortly before I was about to leave the house for the day), and it was one of many "paranormal" experiences I had in that house. Other people also had experiences there.

Given your confidence that there is no such thing as the paranormal, what did I witness? I know I did not hallucinate the experience, because I came back later in the day and the ashtray was on the floor right where I had seen it impact the wall earlier, and I had to clean up the cigarette butts off the floor. No, I did not throw it myself, and I have no reason to lie about it as I have nothing to gain from telling you about this experience. So in your opinion, what happened?

DeadSeraph
reply to post by br0ker

 

Hi there! I understand your skepticism. I think it's healthy to be skeptical (to a certain degree). But I wanted to ask you what YOU think this phenomenon is? Specifically, poltergeist activity, which is fairly well documented.

I myself have witnessed poltergeist activity. I witnessed an ashtray fly across a room in a straight line and smack into the wall on the opposite side of the house. It was broad daylight, I was stone cold sober (It happened at about 11:30am shortly before I was about to leave the house for the day), and it was one of many "paranormal" experiences I had in that house. Other people also had experiences there.

Given your confidence that there is no such thing as the paranormal, what did I witness? I know I did not hallucinate the experience, because I came back later in the day and the ashtray was on the floor right where I had seen it impact the wall earlier, and I had to clean up the cigarette butts off the floor. No, I did not throw it myself, and I have no reason to lie about it as I have nothing to gain from telling you about this experience. So in your opinion, what happened?

Fairys!!!

reply to post by Chrisw0801

You know what.. Some kind of bend in time and space, by some yet unexplained physical phenomena - I might be able to play along with if I went FAR out on a limb.

But undead entities opening closets, doors, appearing infront of someone to interact and making a racket to get their way. That has absolutely no reasoning at all...

Please share, if you have any theory at all about how that could be possible without a physical body/mind.

reply to post by br0ker


if that's the truest fact you can accept, i guess it's fine
majority also believe in such theory.

peace

reply to post by br0ker


What about inter dimensional beings they say there are 10 dimensions all layered over each other. What if the veil between them was particularly thin at that point in time so they overlapped

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This reminds me of a spot i saw recently. It was about a brain surgeon who spent his life studying the brain and telling people there was no god. That what people see is just firing in their brains. Well, then he died and came back.

During the time he was dead he was allowed to see heaven and spoke to god. Of course his life was never the same after he came back. Now he spends his time telling people their is a god and heaven and hell.

As for paranormal experience, well I would be careful what I look for and what I say does not exist. If you have ever had an experience you would know your simplistic excuse to explain their non existing does not fly.

Do you honestly think you have no soul, no spirit. If so, that is sad.

The Bot

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This case is interesting......

The Black Forest Haunting.

The Black Forest haunting is considered to be one of the strongest and most inexplicable hauntings on record. When Steve Lee and his wife Beth discovered a large log home in the Black Forest region of northern Colorado in 1991, they rented it and then purchased it one year later.
Within a few weeks of signing the papers on their dream home, strange things started to occur. Lights and household appliances began to turn on and off, and they heard what sounded like people running across their roof. At night, the couple could hear orchestra music playing and chains rattling. Their sons complained of shadowy figures and odd lights in their room, too.
The entire family began to suffer with burning eyes and throats from untraceable chemical odors. Steve Lee quickly decided someone was playing tricks to spook them from their new home, so he decided to fight back. He installed a video surveillance security system with motion detectors to retaliate. However, the system would sound alarms when no one was around.
There were also sixty-two unexplainable break-ins at the property. The local sheriff’s department opened an investigation in early 1993 but could never find evidence of any crime............unsolved-mysteries.com.

haunted-places.com

May I suggest you also look into "Port Arthur" in Tasmania - the penal colony settlement has significant case histories pertaining to hauntings dating back one hundred years right up to the present day.

I have done the ghost tour (day and night) and there is something supernatural there - I am yet to meet anyone who has been to and studied the site to say anything to the contrary.

I respectfully disagree with the contents of your OP.