Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

More confusion !

During the press conference the Malaysia authorities spread more confusion about the location and timing of when the plane’s communication system was turned off.

Hishamuddin said the Aircraft Communication Addressing and Reporting System (Acars) was turned off just after the plane flew over the city of Kota Baru. The transponder was switched off near the Igari waypoint over the South China Sea.

But Malaysia Airlines chief executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said the Acars system could have been turned off at any time during a 30 minute period.

So all the reports that the pilot said "good night" KNOWING the communications were turned off could be bollocks!

Can someone summarize please what this 200+ page of sea reply could found out?

Like I said earlier its muslim extremists
There MO ish - 9/11
probably Afgan/Paky border/Yemen where plane is
when muslim in key position like pilot and H happens then its
Taliban or Al Q
Question is whats their plan/target? Brazil World Cup Stadium
when full?

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Maybe, this is as good as anything else we can come up with, the Malaysian blew up their own plane. That is why they are not giving up info and just searched the pilots home yesterday.......Captian Shah was an ‘obsessive’ supporter of Ibrahim. And hours before the doomed flight left Kuala Lumpur it is understood 53-year-old Shah attended a controversial trial in which Ibrahim was jailed for five years.

Campaigners say the politician, the key challenger to Malaysia’s ruling party, was the victim of a long-running smear campaign and had faced trumped-up charges.


Police sources have confirmed that Shah was a vocal political activist – and fear that the court decision left him profoundly upset. It was against this background that, seven hours later, he took control of a Boeing 777-200 bound for Beijing and carrying 238 passengers and crew.

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The revelations about Zaharie’s political affiliations are highly sensitive in a country where political dirty tricks are widespread.


One of the investigation sources said: ‘We are looking into the theory that Zaharie’s political beliefs may be a factor. There are huge sensitivities surrounding this but we cannot afford not to pursue any angle brought to our attention.’


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Member DigitalSea started a thread found here that links to a well researched blog post postulating that Flight 370 could have "shadowed" Singapore Flight 68 over the Andaman Sea, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan & Turkmenistan.

Give it a read--it's compelling.

Olivine
Member DigitalSea started a thread found here that links to a well researched blog post postulating that Flight 370 could have "shadowed" Singapore Flight 68 over the Andaman Sea, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan & Turkmenistan.

Give it a read--it's compelling.

edit on 3/17/2014 by Olivine because: (no reason given)

I would be interested in a pilots view of if it's possible to do that. Someone who has flown 777's.

For all you guys arguing about altitude, reports have said all along that that the altitudes are debatable due to the unreliability of the exactness of data over oceans etc.

Is there any point arguing over UNCONFIRMED altitudes from pings?

www.theguardian.com...

Malaysia's New Straits Times reported that investigators were considering the possibility that the Boeing 777 dropped to 5,000ft or potentially even lower to avoid detection.

It suggested that the aircraft might not have roused the suspicions of those watching military radars if it followed commercial routes. It also cited unnamed sources as saying the plane had flown low over the Malay peninsula.

It is unclear where the altitude estimate originated and experts said that if it came from radar data it could well prove incorrect.

Aviation safety expert Sidney Dekker, of the Safety Science Innovation Lab at Griffith University in Brisbane, Australia, noted: "Particularly over oceanic areas, radar coverage is extremely unreliable and partial."

He dismissed the idea that flying at 5,000ft would put extensive strain on the airframe, as some have suggested: "The only really relevant effect is a dramatic increase in fuel use – its range would be very much shortened by that," he said.

Jason Middleton, head of the aviation department at New South Wales University, said avoiding the radar was a well-known technique used by drug runners and others.

He added: "Radar goes in a straight line. If you are in the shadow of a mountain or even the curve of the Earth – if you are under the radar beam – you can't be seen.

"The further [radar beams] go out the weaker they are and the further they need to come back. Radars have dead zones which are low and also which are far away."

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That looks nothing like a 777.

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The elevators are out of shape. Notice it?

One country ruled out, a few hundred to go?!

Kazakhstan has played down speculation that the missing plane could have reached its airspace.

A spokesperson for its civil aviation committee said MH370 would have been detected by Kazakhstan’s radar, if had got that far.

Reuters quoted the official as saying that nine Malaysia Airlines flights travelled over Kazakhstan on 8 March. None of them were MH370.

www.theguardian.com...

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puntito

IQPREREQUISITE


If on a normal day, what would make a pilot climb 45k feet if the plane was already cruising at 35k feet.

We have step climbs. Say the aircraft is cruising happily at FL330, once we've burned enough fuel and our optimum cruise level increase with respect to the cost index and ZFW(zero fuel weight), we would climb an extra 2000ft to FL350. The CDU displays 2 Flight levels, a maximum flight level and optimum flight level. Both of these flight levels are affected by winds-aloft and weight of the aircraft. The only difference is, the optimum flight level varies with respect to fuel burn. Optimum flight level is usually lower than the maximum. What would cause them to climb to 45000 feet( that's above the max ceiling of 43100 feet) ? I can only guess.

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If on a normal day, what would make a pilot climb 45k feet if the plane was already cruising at 35k feet.

We have step climbs on long flights. Lets say the aircraft is happily cruising at FL330, once the aircraft becomes lighter by burning enough fuel, we would climb to FL350 with a step climb of 2000 feet. Step climbs are constant most of the time because climbing 1000ft would bring us up to planes flying in the opposite direction hence causing a collision. This is to allow at least a 1000 feet gap between planes with a track course of 0-180 degrees and 180-360 degrees.

If you decide to cruise above the optimum FL and at a faster cruising speed(excluding tail wind), you'll end up burning more fuel than what was initially planned.
The CDUs usually give us two flight levels, maximum and optimum. Maximum FL is the highest flight level the aircraft is able to cruise in depending on the aircraft's weight and winds-aloft. Optimum FL is a recommended flight level for the best fuel efficiency depending on the cost index set, weight and winds-aloft.
Maximum flight level and ceiling are different. You could be cruising at FL290 on a heavy flight, and have a maximum FL shown as 33000 feet in the CDU while ceiling always remains at 43,100 feet. Anything above the ceiling is not safe.
what would cause them to fly above the ceiling? I can only guess.

Reports are that it was the co-pilot that said last transmitted words. Also that another crew member had a flight simulator.

www.theguardian.com...

MH370: missing plane's co-pilot made last verbal communication, officials say
Fariq Abdul Hamid is believed to have uttered last words to air traffic control at 1.19am, just before plane's transponder stopped

TWO crew members of mystery plane had flight simulators at home: Now steward on board the Boeing revealed to have had one as well

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Boeing777
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The elevators are out of shape. Notice it?

Thanks for the confirmation Boeing. Right after this image was posted I made the comment that there were discrepancies between images. I was no so politely told that that was due to the methods used in the photography, etc. It has been a pleasure "working" with you. I am fading away, as some of the newer members in this forum have become increasingly belligerent, aggressive, and demeaning. I will lurk and watch you and sy and a few others continue with your excellent analysis, information, and quest. Watch your 6.

theabsolutetruth
For all you guys arguing about altitude, reports have said all along that that the altitudes are debatable due to the unreliability of the exactness of data over oceans etc.

Is there any point arguing over UNCONFIRMED altitudes from pings?

If you're referring to me, that was my whole point. We have reliable altitude data for the first two hours, then some military radar data without transponder for part of the third hour, and for the remaining four hours it seems like a lot of guesswork. People were making claims about what the altitude was during the final four hours, and I was saying the claims seem speculative. Your source seems to agree.

However I do agree with the comment that flying at a lower altitude uses more fuel, so IF the low altitude claims were actually true, that might tend to limit the range more than a higher altitude.

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I wasn't referring to you.

I read your comment about altitude being all over the place.

It was an observation.

theabsolutetruth
Reports are that it was the co-pilot that said last transmitted words. Also that another crew member had a flight simulator.

The idea that people believe that the home flight simulator is somewhat linked to the hijacking is getting on my nerves. People have hobbies. I have a simulator at home too. Does that mean I'm secretly planning to crash my plane and kill my passengers?

Aviation is more than a job for most pilots and engineers,it's a passion. This captain had thousands of hours of pilot in command (PIC) experience and it would be useless for him to use a simulator addon that was released in 2005 for Microsoft flight simulator 2004. I've tried the one he had and its fly-by-wire is nothing like the real thing. The flight modelling is flawed too.

I just turned on Fox News and they were interviewing U.S. Representative Michael McCaul (R) Texas. He said that there are concerns that the plane was taken somewhere, is being loaded with explosives to be used in a later attack!

So I had to do a search on who this guy is. He's the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee. That causes me to be more convinced that this is a massive false flag attack underway. Carried out by the USA once again. "Somewhere" is Diego Garcia in my opinion. It will be loaded with a nuke and flown to Israel. Iran will be accused as the culprit!

The following article doesn't mention the plane being loaded with explosives, but he just said that on Fox News 10 minutes ago!

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Michael McCaul said on Sunday that all evidence surrounding the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 points towards the pilot or copilot. “Something was going on with the pilot,” the Texas Republican said on “Fox News Sunday.” “I think this all leads towards the cockpit, with the pilot and copilot.”

washingtonexaminer.com...

Boeing777

IQPREREQUISITE

If on a normal day, what would make a pilot climb 45k feet if the plane was already cruising at 35k feet.

We have step climbs on long flights. Lets say the aircraft is happily cruising at FL330, once the aircraft becomes lighter by burning enough fuel, we would climb to FL350 with a step climb of 2000 feet. Step climbs are constant most of the time because climbing 1000ft would bring us up to planes flying in the opposite direction hence causing a collision. This is to allow at least a 1000 feet gap between planes with a track course of 0-180 degrees and 180-360 degrees.

If you decide to cruise above the optimum FL and at a faster cruising speed(excluding tail wind), you'll end up burning more fuel than what was initially planned.
The CDUs usually give us two flight levels, maximum and optimum. Maximum FL is the highest flight level the aircraft is able to cruise in depending on the aircraft's weight and winds-aloft. Optimum FL is a recommended flight level for the best fuel efficiency depending on the cost index set, weight and winds-aloft.
Maximum flight level and ceiling are different. You could be cruising at FL290 on a heavy flight, and have a maximum FL shown as 33000 feet in the CDU while ceiling always remains at 43,100 feet. Anything above the ceiling is not safe.
what would cause them to fly above the ceiling? I can only guess.

edit on 17-3-2014 by Boeing777 because: (no reason given)

IF and a big IF the plane was blown up in mid air would this cause the altitude changes?

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Boeing777, I have a question and I am wondering if you could answer it or point me to where I could find out.

What would it take to "clone" the electronic signature of an existing flight.

Specifically, could another jet fly along a similar vector and start pinging MH730's indent at the same time MH730 turns off it's transmitters?

If so, other than being able to achieve similar flight parameters, how similar would it have to be to a 777 in this case?

I think you can see where I am going with this.