US Army Vet cuts down Mexican Flag flying over American Flag

reply to post by whyamIhere


I wish Australians had as much pride for our own country. According to many self-hating hipsters it's not PC to fly an Australian flag and yet they have no qualms with flying other countries flags.

en.wikipedia.org...


Have read several pages of this thread and have seen a lot of discussion as to the legalities of how the American Flag is displayed. Although it is against Federal Law to display another flag on the same pole, much less above the American Flag, it is not a punishable offense lest it interferes with Free Speech. So the law is actually etiquette. I tend to sympathize with the guy who took the Mexican Flag down, even though he may not be a "Vet" per se.
I know my link is to Wikipedia which is often refuted here in ATS Land (oh and btw we should have an ATS Flag!!) but I found it helpful. Especially so since I happen to have a beautiful CLOTH American Flag which I plan to fly and found out just how to do it by reading the info on this site.

Joki42
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

It's called respecting the country you're living in. If I went sto Mexico, Canada, Greece or anywhere I would not fly my countries flag over theres. If I did I would expect to piss some people off.

Growing up, I would go visit my grandparents every summer at their cottage in Wisconsin. My grandpa would wake up and put 3 flags up every morning. Each had it's own pole, and each was flown at the same height. One US flag (he was a US pilot in WW2), one Norwegian flag, and one Wisconsin flag. The left most pole was the US flag, the middle pole was Norwegian, and the right pole was the state flag.

No one ever complained to my knowledge. He did that every day for 40+ years.

I have been to Mexico multiple times. It is an interesting and ancient country. I feel no ill will towards the Mexican people in general. But this incident is a visual representation of the ATTITUDE of some Mexicans in the United States, one of arrogance and disrespect, that rubs some Americans the wrong way. I don't think it was an accident or misunderstanding, I think it was intentional. This guy is probably one of the "reconquesta" crowd, who think Mexico is re conquering the area by occupying it. If the owners of that business have a first loyalty to Mexico, and choose to display it that way, then they should do so in MEXICO. I am a veteran as well, served thank God in peace time. But I totally understand the sentiment this man felt. That flag is not just a representation of our country, its a symbol of the BLOOD that was spilled for our country. To fly a foreign flag above the American flag on American soil should NEVER be tolerated. Maybe if you had friends or people in your family who died and suffered fighting for this country you might find it impossible NOT to react this way.

reply to post by whyamIhere

If you fought for that flag you might feel different.

You didn't go to war over a stupid flag, you got shipped overseas to fight a war which which was based on lies and made some really corrupt people wealthy while you were at it...stop lying to yourself to justify your actions.

Anyone who would go to war over a piece of cloth is mentally ill.

Blind nationalistic pride is part of what's wrong with this world and as long as people worry about such trivial things we will continue the never ending decline of modern day society. They have you all brainwashed and worrying about a person exercising their freedoms. I guess the freedom only applies to those who fit within your realm of agreement?

The beautiful thing about is that flag gives you the Freedom to be dead wrong.

But does not allow you the freedom to hang the flag of your choice? If you ask me that American flag should have been upside down...and just so you know, when I lived in the USA I flew my Canada flag high and proud!

Corruption Exposed
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

If you fought for that flag you might feel different.

You didn't go to war over a stupid flag, you got shipped overseas to fight a war which which was based on lies and made some really corrupt people wealthy while you were at it...stop lying to yourself to justify your actions.

Anyone who would go to war over a piece of cloth is mentally ill.

Blind nationalistic pride is part of what's wrong with this world and as long as people worry about such trivial things we will continue the never ending decline of modern day society. They have you all brainwashed and worrying about a person exercising their freedoms. I guess the freedom only applies to those who fit within your real of agreement?

The beautiful thing about is that flag gives you the Freedom to be dead wrong.

But does not allow you the freedom to hang the flag of your choice? If you ask me that American flag should have been upside down...and just so you know, when I lived in the USA I flew my Canada flag high and proud!

edit on 3/9/2014 by Corruption Exposed because: (no reason given)

It does give you the freedom to hang the flag of your choice, but not in a way that is obviously meant to disrespect ours. That clown knew what he was doing. As it has been said, this WASNT the first time he did it.

And as to what people fight for, if they believe in their hearts they are fighting to defend the United States, then that is what they are fighting for. And that loyalty should be respected by ALL who live here, or chose to live here.

P.S. Canada has its share of corrupt people. Take those oil execs who want to put a pipeline through my country claiming it will create jobs, and lower gas prices, when the real purpose is just to pipe the oil down to the gulf where it will be shipped off to China. We dont have a monopoly on greedy people. And from the way I have seen Canadians tip, neither does Canada.

noonebutme
reply to post by TiedDestructor

 

Nope. I find your reactions to flag burning and flag height and positioning laughable.

If someone were to burn the Union Jack, I'd think, why waste your time? It's only a flag - by burning it or changing its position in relation to another means nothing in terms of what the country is or represents to me.

I don't get it. I love the UK and you can do what you want wit the Union Jack. It's just a symbol. Burning it or changing its position in comparison to another does nothing to how I feel of the country.

Excuse me but isn't the UNION flag of your country only referred to as a "Union Jack" when it's flying at sea (as the jack of a ship)? It's my understanding that flown on land it's actually just a "union" flag.

reply to post by openminded2011

It does give you the freedom to hang the flag of your choice, but not in a way that is obviously meant to disrespect ours.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the first amendment allow this?

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that comprise the Bill of Rights.

en.wikipedia.org...

That clown knew what he was doing. As it has been said, this WASNT the first time he did it.

Perhaps his actions were in poor taste, but why does it matter how many times he has done it?

This thread is all about the freedoms Americans have, yet all this man was doing is practicing his freedoms and all of a sudden freedom is frowned upon? Just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean his freedoms are revoked...unless I missed a memo.

P.S. Canada has its share of corrupt people.

Trust me my friend, Canada's "elected officials" and their corporate overlords are some of the most corrupt bastards you will ever meet, especially when it comes to selling our natural resources to the highest bidder while cutting the citizens out of the profits.

I hope my post didn't seem as if I was portraying Canada to be a beacon of freedom or that we are better than the USA. In my opinion we are all in the same boat...our countries are turning to crap and people are worried about trivial things which have no importance in regards to the grand scheme of things.

To me all the hype over this incident is a laughable joke, no offense intended as I know it is important to others but I just can't be bothered by such pointless cosmetic technicalities. My main concern is what's unfolding in Europe and the Middle East among other places.

Your government is systematically stripping away your freedoms at a rapid pace and you're worried about a Mexican flag?

SMH

reply to post by intrepid


Really Inteprid, you usually put out some good posts, but you had to go with the "do you still beat your wife" question?

Do you still beat your wife?

Do Mexicans still beat their wives?

I think the same punks who beat their wives back in the day, still beat their wives in this modern era, they are just more afraid of getting arrested for doing it. How about down in Mexico? How much protection do women have against abusive husbands?

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


I see your point, hanging a mexican flag over a US flag could be considered as free speech, but so could someone telling you to go f yourself. At which point punching said individual in the chops could also be considered free speech.

How about if some guy tells your wife he wants to do all kinds of nasty things to her, right in front of your face, free speech right?

Again, at that point, IMO, punching said individual in the chops should also be considered free speech.

So the guy commits a crime by vandalising someone else's property, and then stealing it - and some folks are applauding this?

Really?

Nyiah
What a jerk. I don't care what any proper "etiquette" is for flags being flown, if I had flags of multiple countries and wanted to string 'em up, I'd do it alphabetically top to bottom because I'm OCD like that. If that blowhard had touched mine, I'd have put him in the hospital for destruction of MY property. And sent him the bill to pay for new ones.

Thank you for admitting that you have a mental disorder, of which to add, impulse control disorder associated with violent outbreaks.
However, that is still no excuse to disrespect any country for which you are in, by flying another country's flag, above it.

reply to post by whyamIhere


This guy is brainwashed, he is an extremist.

NM

Not worth it.

reply to post by SLAYER69


This guy is acting out because another flag is flying over his? Or flying with another one? What is he worried about?

SLAYER69
NM

Not worth it.

edit on 9-3-2014 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

Most eloquent.

edit to add:
Slayer, what happened to you "What" video?
It was well worth it

reply to post by Violater1


That veteran is over reacting. He loves his country....a bit too much.

neformore
So the guy commits a crime by vandalising(sic) someone else's property, and then stealing it - and some folks are applauding this?

Really?

Actually, I'm standing and clapping

reply to post by Violater1


Well I guess from your name and phrase written below it. I cannot expect a different stance on this issue from you.

bitsforbytes
reply to post by Violater1

 

That veteran is over reacting. He loves his country....a bit too much.

Any man, who is willing to lay down his life for the better of it's citizens, doesn't love his country too much.
He loves his neighbor, as he loves himself.
It is a pity, that you will never grasp this brotherly love.
nuff said.