Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: Xcathdra

In Russia a lot of people do support Putin, the only ones that dont are those that want Russia to be part of the Euporean Union Empire and Russia to be an Member of NATO.


Ah Yes Those Free Pussy Riots, Whatever happened to those clowns i wonder? maybe they would helping hillary Clinton win her 2016 staged election thingy.



If western news outlets has ever released the photos of what the Free Pussy Riots actually do and did in Moscow before there staged church stunt, there western public image would have being dropped to zero.

I know this is a foreign concept most people found there band and actions a joke. What made it an issue was there treatment for wxpressing there opinion on Putin. In a democracy you are not thrown into labor camps for expressing ones opinions. In russia you spend years in jail without a trial. See fascists do that when you oppose the state. Think its time for you to think what kind of goverent suppresses free speech you might have a revelation about heir putin.

originally posted by: dragonridr
This is interesting apparently criminal organizations have started killing Russian Mercenaries. They found out Russia pays them 300 a day so they pretend to be mercenaries and lead the unsuspecting Russians out into the woods. There they kill them steal their stuff and take there money. So far the Ukrainian government has figured about 100 Russians have fallen for this so far. If you think about it its the perfect crime Russia cant admit it is paying for mercs and to cause unrest. And then theres Ukraine they cant investigate or even convict because the Russian mercs are terrorists and the person could argue they are simply trying to drive the Russians from Ukraine the perfect crime.

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This is very likely the result of a black op run by Ukrainian or even a western intelligence service.
Russia wants to play dirty so the other side does too..

Maidan and who is behind it, well worth seeing this video.

and in regards to Odessa massacre, again well worth seeing

this is quite interesting, can't say surprising though

Ukrainian military traitors provide ammunition DNR - MIA

In the ranks of Ukrainian soldiers are traitors who supply armed groups in the Donbas ammunition.
DNR ammunition supply traitors in the ranks of the Ukrainian army.
According to the adviser head MIA Anton Gerashchenko, the question, where did long encircled Slovyansk separatists enough ammunition to continue the resistance forces ATO, said that there are in the ranks of the Ukrainian army traitors who supply the necessary ammunition to militants.

On Air "Channel 5" Gerashchenko reported detention in Mariupol Ukrainian officer. Major suspected of supplying weapons to the rebels. Currently traitor exposed and arrested. While there is a consequence, no further information is provided, but promise to reveal details of the case being investigated

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this was recorded yesterday in Gorlivka, NAF in possession of artillery weapons

originally posted by: cosmonova
Maidan and who is behind it, well worth seeing this video.

If you paid attention we had an interview with the doctor who said she didnt say the wounds were the same from Maiden and was shocked Russian propaganda was trying to use her. It was a made up story they were talking about. Also notice they said poroshenko shouldnt run for president. Well it appears he did and won. So trying to play off anything other than two people speculating is silly since they couldnt even stop the candidate they didnt want. So this proves they had no control over Ukraine and shoots a big hole in the whole Russian story of US and EU planned coop.

But on the bright side even though the video attempting to show US and EU involvement in Ukraine now looks silly in hindsight. It does point out just how far Russian propaganda tried to manipulate things early on in the crises.

Washington’s Iron Curtain in Ukraine
by DIANA JOHNSTONE
NATO leaders are currently acting out a deliberate charade in Europe, designed to reconstruct an Iron Curtain between Russia and the West.

With astonishing unanimity, NATO leaders feign surprise at events they planned months in advance. Events that they deliberately triggered are being misrepresented as sudden, astonishing, unjustified “Russian aggression”. The United States and the European Union undertook an aggressive provocation in Ukraine that they knew would force Russia to react defensively, one way or another.

They could not be sure exactly how Russian president Vladimir Putin would react when he saw that the United States was manipulating political conflict in Ukraine to install a pro-Western government intent on joining NATO. This was not a mere matter of a “sphere of influence” in Russia’s “near abroad”, but a matter of life and death to the Russian Navy, as well as a grave national security threat on Russia’s border.

A trap was thereby set for Putin. He was damned if he did, and damned if he didn’t. He could underreact, and betray Russia’s basic national interests, allowing NATO to advance its hostile forces to an ideal attack position.

Or he could overreact, by sending Russian forces to invade Ukraine. The West was ready for this, prepared to scream that Putin was “the new Hitler”, poised to overrun poor, helpless Europe, which could only be saved (again) by the generous Americans.

In reality, the Russian defensive move was a very reasonable middle course. Thanks to the fact that the overwhelming majority of Crimeans felt Russian, having been Russian citizens until Khrushchev frivolously bestowed the territory on Ukraine in 1954, a peaceful democratic solution was found. Crimeans voted for their return to Russia in a referendum which was perfectly legal according to international law, although in violation of the Ukrainian constitution, which was by then in tatters having just been violated by the overthrow of the country’s duly elected president, Victor Yanukovych, facilitated by violent militias. The change of status of Crimea was achieved without bloodshed, by the ballot box.

Nevertheless, the cries of indignation from the West were every bit as hysterically hostile as if Putin had overreacted and subjected Ukraine to a U.S.-style bombing campaign, or invaded the country outright – which they may have expected him to do.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry led the chorus of self-righteous indignation, accusing Russia of the sort of thing his own government is in the habit of doing. “You just don’t invade another country on phony pretext in order to assert your interests. This is an act of aggression that is completely trumped up in terms of its pretext”, Kerry pontificated. “It’s really 19th century behavior in the 21st century”. Instead of laughing at this hypocrisy, U.S. media, politicians and punditry zealously took up the theme of Putin’s unacceptable expansionist aggression. The Europeans followed with a weak, obedient echo.

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a reply to: cosmonova

China is sitting on $2 Trillion of foreign exchange reserves. It should give Russia $100B to get new weapons and forces upgrade tools. Mere $20B alone will negate European NATO's advantage in 4.5 Generation planes by getting RuAF good 300-400 Su-35s.

This move will force NATO nations to raise their defense spending and given most of them are already BANKRUPT, it will really bite their economies and social structures.

This is what they have all along tried to do to Russia for the last 20 or so years.

Time to give them a strong dose of their own poison.

China should also invest extra $100B into its own military and that would be the extra weight that would crumble NATO into pieces.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: cosmonova

China is sitting on $2 Trillion of foreign exchange reserves. It should give Russia $100B to get new weapons and forces upgrade tools. Mere $20B alone will negate European NATO's advantage in 4.5 Generation planes by getting RuAF good 300-400 Su-35s.

This move will force NATO nations to raise their defense spending and given most of them are already BANKRUPT, it will really bite their economies and social structures.

This is what they have all along tried to do to Russia for the last 20 or so years.

Time to give them a strong dose of their own poison.

China should also invest extra $100B into its own military and that would be the extra weight that would crumble NATO into pieces.

China plays the long game........Russia is going to fall apart from the inside out. China will not invest this kind of money on a losing bet. Russians are strong minded independent people they are going to wise up before the Russian economy goes bankrupt again.......Hopefully.

originally posted by: cosmonova
this was recorded yesterday in Gorlivka, NAF in possession of artillery weapons

Double-barreled howitzers!!

No.

Anti-aircraft artillery

a reply to: SubTruth

China plays the long game........Russia is going to fall apart from the inside out. China will not invest this kind of money on a losing bet. Russians are strong minded independent people they are going to wise up before the Russian economy goes bankrupt again.......Hopefully.

However, "Russia and only Russia" has the capability of keeping the NATO away from Chinese borders.

Russia is the only country that will keep the "Hitler Lite" flavor from taking over the world.

Hope Chinese have not forgotten the treatment given to them by the Japanese in WWII. That treatment even embarrassed the hardcore of the Nazi SS. No wonder Japs got nuked for repeatedly crossing the lines of human civility.

I started a separate thread since it primarily deals with Moldova and Georgia and Russian insanity. Some of the issues relate into this situation.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Article in question -
Defying Russian warnings, Moldova and Georgia head for EU pact

CHISINAU/TBILISI (Reuters) - Undeterred by the conflict triggered by Ukraine's swing towards Europe, the former Soviet republics of Moldova and Georgia will sign a trade and political pact with the European Union this month with Russia warning both countries against the move.

The two small countries - Moldova has a population of just over 3.5 million and Georgia 4.5 million - see the signing of an association agreement as the crucial step towards mainstream Europe, leading to eventual membership of the powerful EU trading bloc.

But, as has been shown by their regional neighbor Ukraine, Russia sees their westward move further away from Moscow's sphere of influence as a geo-political setback that could threaten its markets too.

Last November, Russia persuaded a now-ousted Ukrainian leader to pull out of an identical pact with the EU. When protests then chased him from office, Russia, in a backlash, annexed Crimea, and armed pro-Russian separatist groups sprang up in Ukraine's east and the battle there is still raging.

How Russia - which went to war with Georgia in 2008 - will react now remains the big unknown but officials have warned of "possible consequences".

Click link for remainder of Russian insanity.

So, just like Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Russia is all for state sovereignty and the ability of the citizens to determine their own future, EXCEPT when those choices are for anything but Russia. Then it becomes problematic and to make matters worse, Russia truly believes it can dictate how these countries conduct their foreign relations.

10:11 GMT:
The Public Health Ministry of Ukraine has released the latest data on victims of the “counter-terrorist operation” in eastern regions of the country, reported RIA Novosti, quoting the Ukraine National News agency.

Official statistics claim that 210 people, among them 19 children, died in the special operation by the Ukrainian government against the federalist insurgents in the Lugansk and Donetsk Regions.

“Over 50 people died yesterday in both the Donetsk and Lugansk Regions,” stated Health Minister Oleg Musiy. The minister particularly stressed that his data is based solely on statistics from hospitals and morgues.

The minister also did not mention whether the stats include both civilian and military losses.


01:45 GMT:
Russian regions bordering Ukraine are successfully handling the flow of refugees coming in from eastern Ukraine, representative of Russia’s Kursk region Valeriy Ryazan told RIA Novosti. Most of the refugees from Lugansk and Donetsk regions are being taken in by friends and relatives on the other side of the border.


01:05 GMT:
The secretary general of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), Lamberto Zannier, will travel to the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don on Wednesday, where he will visit refugees from eastern Ukraine. Zannier is arriving in Russia after an invitation from the country’s foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, and will also visit the local government administration.

Cookie lady is back!
Empty handed this time.

A video released by Klitschko’s UDAR party shows Nuland hugging Klitschko, congratulating him on his appointment. The two then walk along the central Institutskaya Street, where about 100 people were shot dead or fatally injured by unidentified snipers in February.


Earlier in February, a leaked phone conversation of Nuland and US ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that the State Department official was against Klitschko playing a part in the Ukrainian government.

“I don’t think that Klitschko should go into the government. I don’t think it is necessary. I don’t think it is a good idea,” Nuland allegedly said. Klitschko later quit the presidential race in favor of Petro Poroshenko, and instead decided to run in the Kiev mayoral election.

Slavyansk 09/06/14

this is translation of the conversation in this video

Slavyansk. Exploding shell. Blood. Tears.
man: Injured,
woman: I've been injured, and how,
Man I've already been to the hospital, I wont be shy
reporter: where were you, in the house?
man: yes, when we were injured we were in the house across the street. I got caught
woman: this is mothers house, we were in our house across the street.
man: we ran over here, it was the basement that saved us, we just got here, and there is the impact point, well that's the fun we have here
woman: and I got caught by some shrapnel, they started to shoot, I was running and got hit by shrapnel.
man: I also want to say that the guys who took us out of here, i won't give you their nicknames, they took us to the hospital, on the way back they were killed, thanks to them
woman: they brought a girl, 4 yeas old, they put her on the table and at that moment she died, she was sitting in a basement, some shrapnel, then a 7 year old was brought there, then they brought old people, youngsters and women, wounded in the stomach taken out by shrapnel, peaceful citizens,
woman: peaceful citizens!
man: there were a lot of people, there were a few soldiers, but mostly unarmed people
woman: it was impossible to watch
woman, look, we are living in a house, there are no barricades here
man: I was born in this house!
woman: Poroshenko, let him be cursed, let his children be cursed, that yatsenuk, let his children suffer let his children suffer like our children
woman: How can they shoot at children, how can they use these types of weapons,
woman: I've worked my whole life, they've bombed my house where am I to live? where ? where?
man: There's nowhere to work, today (indiscernible ) was bombed
woman: Jerk! I can say nothing else, let you be cursed and your children too
woman: Slavyansk there's no gas, no water, no electricity, there's nothing! No houses, no communications nothing! and there are a lot of people living here!
woman: an awful lot of people living here
woman: We're peaceful residents!
woman: We're not terrorists!
woman: we're not soldiers
woman: we're residents! they say there is nothing but terrorists here, what terrorists!???? here we are "terrorists" standing here, without a roof over our heads
woman: we are on our land.
woman: we are living on our land!
woman: and it's being washed in blood!
woman: our children are being washed in blood
woman: Slavyansk has withstood this and it will withstand this, it's a city of heroes, from this day on Slavyansk is a city of heros, remember that Poroshenko
woman: You've shot peaceful citizens and children! and you keep shooting! take a look at this, he's shooting peaceful citizens! Poroshenko, Yatsenuk i'd shoot.
woman: no conscience
woman: no conscience ..
woman: take a look at the people
man: they've hit the roof and taken out 2 beams, and the ceiling collapsed into the children's room it's a good thing or they would have been buried under bricks and and boards, material there would have been injuries

The Russians are actually making a move against the petrodollar. It appears that they are quite serious about their de-dollarizationstrategy. The largest natural gas producer on the planet, Gazprom, has signed agreements with some of their biggest customers to switch payments for natural gas from U.S. dollars to euros. And Gazprom would have never done this without the full approval of the Russian government, because the Russian government holds a majority stake in Gazprom. There hasn’t been a word about this from the big mainstream news networks in the United States, but this is huge. When you are talking about Gazprom, you are talking about a company that is absolutely massive. It is one of the largest companies in the entire world and it makes up 8 percent of Russian GDP all by itself. It holds 18 percent of the natural gas reserves of the entire planet, and it is also a very large oil producer. So for Gazprom to make a move like this is extremely significant.

When Barack Obama decided to slap some meaningless economic sanctions on Russia a while back, he probably figured that the world would forget about them after a few news cycles.

But the Russians do not forget, and they certainly do not forgive.

At this point the Russians are turning their back on the United States, and that includes the U.S. dollar.

What you are about to read is absolutely stunning, and yet you have not heard about it from any major U.S. news source. But what Gazprom is now doing has the potential to really shake up the global financial landscape. The following is an excerpt from a news report by the ITAR-TASS news agency…

Gazprom Neft had signed additional agreements with consumers on a possible switch from dollars to euros for payments under contracts, the oil company’s head Alexander Dyukov told a press conference.

“Additional agreements of Gazprom Neft on the possibility to switch contracts from dollars to euros are signed. With Belarus, payments in roubles are agreed on,” he said.

Dyukov said nine of ten consumers had agreed to switch to euros.

And Gazprom is not the only big company in Russia that is moving away from the U.S. dollar.

According to RT, other large Russian corporations are moving to other currencies as well…

Russia will start settling more contracts in Asian currencies, especially the yuan, in order to lessen its dependence on the dollar market, and because of Western-led sanctions that could freeze funds at any moment.

“Over the last few weeks there has been a significant interest in the market from large Russian corporations to start using various products in renminbi and other Asian currencies, and to set up accounts in Asian locations,” Pavel Teplukhin, head of Deutsche Bank in Russia, told theFinancial Times, which was published in an article on Sunday.

Diversifying trade accounts from dollars to the Chinese yuan and other Asian currencies such as the Hong Kong dollar and Singapore dollar has been a part of Russia’s pivot towards Asian as tension with Europe and the US remain strained over Russia’s action in Ukraine.

And according to Zero Hedge, “expanding the use of non-dollar currencies” is one of the main things that major Russian banks are working on right now…

Andrei Kostin, chief executive of state bank VTB, said that expanding the use of non-dollar currencies was one of the bank’s “main tasks”. “Given the extent of our bilateral trade with China, developing the use of settlements in roubles and yuan [renminbi] is a priority on the agenda, and so we are working on it now,” he told Russia’s President Vladimir Putin during a briefing. “Since May, we have been carrying out this work.”

“There is nothing wrong with Russia trying to reduce its dependency on the dollar, actually it is an entirely reasonable thing to do,” said the Russia head of another large European bank. He added that Russia’s large exposure to the dollar subjects it to more market volatility in times of crisis. “There is no reason why you have to settle trade you do with Japan in dollars,” he said.

The entire country is undergoing a major financial conversion.

This is just staggering.

Meanwhile, Russians have been pulling money out of U.S. banks at an unprecedented pace…

So in March, without waiting for the sanction spiral to kick in, Russians yanked their moolah out of US banks. Deposits by Russians in US banks suddenly plunged from $21.6 billion to $8.4 billion. They yanked out 61% of their deposits in just one month! They’d learned their lesson in Cyprus the hard way: get your money out while you still can before it gets confiscated.

For those that don’t think that all of this could hurt the U.S. economy or the U.S. financial system, you really need to go back and read my previous article entitled “De-Dollarization: Russia Is On The Verge Of Dealing A Massive Blow To The Petrodollar“. The truth is that the U.S. economic system is extremely dependent on the financial behavior of the rest of the globe.

Because nearly everyone else around the rest of the planet uses our currency to trade with one another, that keeps the value of the U.S. dollar artificially high and it keeps our borrowing costs artificially low.

As Russia abandons the U.S. dollar that will hurt, but if other nations start following suit that could eventually cause a financial avalanche.

What we are witnessing right now is just a turning point.

The effects won’t be felt right away. So don’t expect this to cause financial disaster next week or next month.

But this is definitely another element in the “perfect storm” that is starting to brew for the U.S. economy.

Yes, we have been living in a temporary bubble of false stability for a few years. However, the long-term outlook has not gotten any better. In fact, the long-term trends that are destroying our economic and financial foundations just continue to get even worse.

So enjoy the “good times” while you still can.

They certainly will not last too much longer.


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East of Vienna, that’s where the military action and bloody confrontation in Ukraine is being played out on the ground. But the furtive diplomatic goings on in Vienna are no less intensive nor internationally important, from the standpoint of a small and neutral, (although EU member state). While the US is discreetly conducting “low–key” talks here with another “bad boy” or similarly sanctioned state namely Iran (which after decades of being demonized by the west, is finally coming out of its international isolation), the Austrian government, is attempting to play an instrumental intermediary role in breaching Russia’s western imposed isolation. It’s a delicate matter indeed. Especially as the threat of further western sanctions against Moscow are looming ominously over Russia.

G-7, US and EU: All Stick and no Carrot

For example, in an ultimatum which harkens back to the prewar period of June 1914, the “so-called” G-7” (now minus Russia) has warned Moscow, unless it recognizes the results of the recent Ukrainian elections, withdraw its troops from the Russian Ukrainian border, and stops supporting separatist elements fighting in Eastern Ukraine that new sanctions will be imposed. Obama has effectively given Putin “between two to four weeks” to comply with these demands. Tough talk for sure!

With the threat of further western punitive measure against Putin’s Russia looming in the background Austria has stepped into the diplomatic fray. In a surprise announcement, the Austrian President Heinz Fischer has invited his Russian counterpart to Vienna on June 24th. The head of state is effectively extending a helpful hand or at least a handshake to his counterpart in the Kremlin, at a time when the EU and US (in a simulations and well-coordinated fashion) are seeking to minimize Russia’s resurgence as a great power to be in the 21st century.

This past week, the Austrian foreign minister Sebastian Kurz told “Die Presse” (05/07/2012) the state visit seeks to “open channels of communication”. Between whom? The EU and Russia? That’s so far remains unclear.

After Brussels, Paris all eyes are now on Vienna

Is Austria playing the role of diplomatic go-between as it has during the height of the Cuban missile crisis? Maybe so, but in any case, the post –imperial capital, going back almost two hundred years or to the “Congress of Vienna”, has always been a key or central place for sorting out international conflicts. And today’s tensions are no exception to this rule. Hence the Austrian overture to Putin.

“Whoever wants to mediate, must [be willing] to talk with both sides,” the foreign minister said. For his part, the Austrian head of state, (whose office officially announced Putin’s upcoming visit to Vienna) believes that in the midst of the current Russia vs. EU and US standoff, talking directly with the Kremlin leader is essential. “Dialogue in this present phase is of special significance,” President Fischer told the influential Austrian daily.

Are Austrian Sanction- busters ready for “business as usual”?

Whether the Russians are adored or despised by the Austrians themselves remains uncertain. Undoubtedly, both states have had historically, a tumultuous and intensive relationship with each other. In any case, the current Ukraine conflict (and the harsh sanctions regime) apparently hasn’t hurt closer bi-lateral economic, or business friendly ties at all, between the two states. Austria does lots of business in Russia. It sells machinery over there and also has according to the Austrian National bank has lent over the years, an overall sum of 36,3 billion Euros to the Russian federation in credit outlays.

In return, Russia, delivers vital oil and gas supplies to the land locked alpine country. So expect to see some big energy contracts signed during the Putin-Fisher meetings. Moreover, as part of this strange courtship, Austria has adeptly taken advantage of its much vaunted neutrality to act according to national interests, instead of abiding by EU-wide policy directives. Austria thus, has more room to maneuver diplomatically than Brussels does, when it comes to dealing with Russia. And the country is in full gear, as regards to resolving the ongoing crisis to its East.

This surely riles Germany and the US very much.

And it hasn’t forgotten the days when like Russia it was considered a “Black Sheep” within the EU or the “international community”. Back in the 1990s when a right wing party under Jorg Haider, partook in the sharing of governmental power (within a coalition government) Brussels slapped Austria on the wrist with symbolic political sanctions, which nearly relegated the country to “pariah state” status inside the EU .

Vienna felt left out or ostracised back then (or the way Moscow might feel today with respect to the west). The resentment from those days remains present in the minds of several Austrian diplomats and policy makers and politicians alike. And perhaps besides business considerations also explains why Putin now shunned on the multilateral scene, (and vilified by the western mainstream media) is hardly unpopular among influential and prominent Austrians.

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The US is trying to halt the South Stream project aimed at supplying Europe with gas as it hopes this would have an adverse economic effect on Russia, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Paul Craig Roberts told RT.

RT:Bulgaria and Serbia confirmed the South Stream project will continue, despite significant pressure from the EU. Why have they taken that decision do you think?

Paul Craig Roberts: I think what is going on here; it’s the US, not the EU. Bulgarians themselves said that they are being pressured by Washington to stop the work on the pipeline. This is the pipeline that runs under the Black Sea from Russia into Bulgaria; it borders Ukraine and makes it possible for Russia to continue to supply energy to Eastern and Western Europe. The problem with the existing pipeline through Ukraine is that Ukraine is broke, it is not paying its bills, and Russia faces the prospect of trying to supply Europe through the pipeline through Ukraine which would result in theft of gas by Ukraine that can’t pay its gas bill. This is giving an alternative way of supplying Europe, so Europe itself has no interest in blocking the construction of this pipeline. This is an America imposed decision.

RT: If all this is Washington’s initiative, then why it is trying to stop the project aimed at supplying with energy its own ally?

PR: Washington doesn’t care what happens to Eastern or Western Europe, it is trying to hurt Russia, and Washington thinks that if it can stop Russia’s ability to sell gas to Europe, this will have an adverse economic effect on Russia. Of course it will also have an adverse economic effect on Europe, in fact, probably worse, because German industry is dependent on Russian energy supplies, and all Europe is dependent on Russia’s energy supplies not to freeze to death in the winter time. What you see here is the Washington empire, the exceptional and indispensible people who are superior to all other life forms, completely willing to sacrifice their allies in order to hurt Russia. That’s all it about. That is not about anything else.

RT: Some experts believe Brussels is trying to put up barriers to the South Stream project because the US is looking to ship liquefied natural gas to Europe. Could that be true?

PR: Even if it could be true, it is 3-4 years in future, and if the gas flows to Europe stop now, what are they going to do for 3-4 years? The second point is that recently it was officially announced that the oil and gas supplies that would be recovered by fracking in the US were overstated by many-fold percent. So the whole thing is a myth. There is no possibility whatsoever of the US supplying Europe with energy to offset the loss of supplies from Russia. It simply can’t happen, it is impossible. So that is just a lie. My point is that Washington does not care. Anything they can do to hurt Russia if it wipes out their allies, they could care less.

RT: The European Commission is set to resolve the legal issues around the South Stream pipeline soon. But how likely is it that Bulgaria and Serbia will eventually go ahead with the project?

PR: Here is the situation. Europe has to come to some decision: do they prefer to be Washington’s puppet states or sacrifice their interests for Washington’s world empire or do they prefer to look after their own interests? So the question with the pipeline is really up to Europe, it is not up to Washington. If the Europeans say “Look, we don’t want to take this risk with energy supplies, just so Washington can beat up on Russia” and they disassociate from this, then the pipeline will continue. In that sense it’s the Europeans' decision. They have to decide whether they represent Europe, they represent European people or they represent Washington. That is the determining factor here, and it will be very interesting to see how they come to this decision.

rt.com...

MOSCOW, June 11./ITAR-TASS/. Head of Russia's Investigative Committee Alexander Bastrykin said none of those who are committing crimes in southeastern Ukraine will be able to avoid retribution.
"We'll get them, as the allies said in their statement in 1943 (at the Tehran conference - eds ITAR-TASS) even at the bottom of the ocean, and they will bear - sooner or later - moral, political and criminal responsibility for the actions they are taking against the peoples of Ukraine today," Bastrykin said at a meeting of the Military Leaders and Naval Commanders forum on the occasion of the 120th anniversary of Marshall Fyodor Tolbukhin's birthdate.
Earlier, the Investigative Committee has organised a specialised department on investigation of crimes against civilians in Ukraine and opened a criminal case on illegal methods of war used by as yet unidentified military of Ukraine’s Armed Forces and members of the Ukrainian National Guard and Right Sector. The reasons to open the criminal case were the shelling of cities Sloviansk, Kramatorsk, Donetsk, Mariupol and others.

en.itar-tass.com...

a reply to: asen_y2k

I for one would be an avid follower of such a thread. I have several Ukrainian friends and am always trying to gather quality information on the subject. So far the only "in Ukraine" source I have is Eleana Filatova.