Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

Here's a website with some details on the claimed Russian build up on the borders -

MAP: Here's Why Ukraine Fears A Russian Invasion

On Thursday, Ukraine security chief Andriy Parubiy claimed that Russia has placed 80,000 solders, 270 tanks, 370 artillery systems, and 140 combat aircraft near the Ukrainian border.

“Ukraine today is facing the threat of a full-scale invasion from various directions," he said. Vladimir Putin has reserved the right to intervene wherever he decides that ethnic Russians are under threat of "lawlessness."

"Russia is aware of its responsibility for the lives of compatriots and fellow citizens in Ukraine and reserves the right to take people under its protection," the Kremlin said in a statement on Friday following the death of at least one protester in Ukraine's eastern city of Donetsk. T

his map, created by Facebook user Smitry Tymchuk, illustrates the threat that Parubiy referred to:

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It is the USA who is drawing lines in the sand and flying planes all over the place, NOT Russia so lets not pass the blame for who has started this war.

Russia has no rights to call off Sunday's vote and the USA have been made to look silly for trying to force Russia to do so.

The whole EU deal is starting to look like a military pact to take land away from Russia and not a political union (that's falling to bits) and Russia has no option but to resist because they don't want democracy imposed at the point of a bankers gun and I fully support Mr Putin for making a stand.

Whats next, Do we bomb Scotland if the vote does not look like it's going the way that the British want because that's what happening today.

Ukraine accuses Russia of provoking the deadly clashes in the east

Ukrainian authorities accused Russia on Saturday of provoking the fatal gunfight in the eastern city of Kharkiv overnight, fearing Moscow could use violence against ethnic Russians to justify invasion.

The interior minister said police arrested about 30 people involved on both sides of the clash after two men, aged 20 and 31, were killed late on Friday when pro-Russian demonstrators fought rivals near an office of a Ukrainian nationalist group. Both groups used firearms, Arsen Avakov said. [Reuters]

Aljazeera

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Aljazeera has even less credit than Fox-News for reporting the truth and you will have to ban Russia Today just like PressTV if you want to fool 100% of the public because they both provide information and not just warped options to backup what they are saying.

Have you forgotten about the WMD lies and the 9-11 false flag

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I hear ya, but I dunno, Aljazeera is more neutral than other media right now IMO. The ME is only involved in the sense of the Turkish Tatars in Crimea..Otherwise, I don't think they have a dog in this fight as they have been pretty objective from both sides so far. I try not to link RT or any American sources right now like Fox or CNN etc due to the crazy spin/propaganda from both sides.

As a side note, the actual source from the article I linked that you refer to was from Reuters. I just could not find that original link, so I linked the one that Aljazeera sourced on their live blog. (call me lazy) They source Reuters, but unfortunately they don't provide direct links.

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Aljazeera are Muslims so how come they dare not report from the ground or place reports on the streets of most Muslim states around the world.

What did it for me was when they were caught out using Hollywood movie sets that showed Libya was about to fall in hours, it was all over Youtube and many of it's reports walked out after that.

I like a mixed diet of propaganda and Russia today shows us in the west what our governments don't want us to see and I am sure the BBC's word service does the same back to Russia/China

PressTV being banned, like it or hate it must make people think for a second

The facts still remain. Russia has breached international law and have breached the human rights of those who reside in Crimea. The referendum remains illegal. Effectively Crimea is voting whilst Russian soldiers occupy the region so where is the freedom of speech? Pro-Ukranian protesters are being killed by pro-Russians again, where is the freedom of speech? Everyone has a right to life.

I'm sorry but I don't see US troops in crimea lol . Flying stuff ? Because they don't have troops on the ground. The drones aren't armed. LOL Freedom ? What are you talking abt ? Russian troops all over crimea along with Pro russians and Russians themselves, and then you expect Ukrainian crimeans to vote freely ? What a joke !

Ok let me get this all straight, ( I have been following this thread from page one, had to create a new account do to not being able to access my old one) the Ukrainians impeached there sitting president for pilfering there treasury when they went to arrest him he had fled, correct? The line of succession of the presidency led to another member of there parliament that had also fled the country, correct? So in this time of political uncertainty the parliament elected a new president. Now I am no expert on Ukrainian law or political structure but this seems like a valid and legal move by the Ukrainians.


Thusly Russia invades the Crimean peninsula to protect ethnic and Russian speaking people in the area from a perceived threat to them. While at that point there had been no aggression in the area, correct? Now the Russians are massing troops at the border and spewing rhetoric that is at the least threatening and antagonistic. Mean while the government in Ukraine shows great poise in ordering it's troops not to confront the "non - Russian" military invading there sovereign soil.

Please tell me how it can be seen any other way but an act of aggression by Russia and there for an act of war?

To say that it is due to this being a pro west govt being put in place thus for upsetting Vladimir the puttin it shouldn't matter what he thinks Ukraine is not his, if he wanted to make sure that the Ukraine didn't allow western bases there be they un, nato, American or any other country for that matter he should of sought a military pact with the Ukrainian govt as opposed to forcing his will on a sovereign nation.

Just my opinion

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Hey, Wookiep, thanks for the 2 updates you provided overnight. On the map you posted in your other post it mentioned Moldova. I did not know too much about Moldova, to be honest, so I went in search and I found this to be interesting...maybe you and others will as well. The following is from this Al Jazzera article:

Following the breakup of the USSR, Transnistria, spooked by growing nationalism by the Romanian-speaking majority, declared independence, sparking a bloody civil war as Chisinau tried to retain control of the territory. During the conflict, Transnistria was heavily supported by Russia and to this day, an estimated 1,500 soldiers remain in place, allegedly as peacekeepers and to safeguard Soviet weapons stockpiles.

With the imminent prospect of Crimea voting to join the Russian Federation in a controversial upcoming referendum, there are heightened concerns that Transnistria may be used by Russia in a similar way to crystallise their influence in Europe.

"If Moldova signs the agreement this year, we can expect destabilisation here," an EU diplomat warily noted in Chisinau.

So, the 1,500 Russian troops that the map you posted show in Moldova are from an area within Moldova that is very much like Crimea is currently in Ukraine. I can understand the Moldovan concern. The article goes on to say, with reference to some of the demonstrations:

Serhii Pyrozhkov, Ukraine's ambassador to Moldova, is keeping a watchful eye on neighbouring Transnistria. The stakes are high. A move by the renegade state to join the Russian Federation would see Ukraine further geographically isolated from Europe.

"According to our data, we suspect that on the territory of the Transnistrian region, Russian military troops have been recruiting activists to be sent to Odessa to participate in riots and destabilise the region," Pyrozhkov told Al Jazeera. "This sets a worrying precedent."

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What did it for me was when they were caught out using Hollywood movie sets that showed Libya was about to fall in hours, it was all over Youtube and many of it's reports walked out after that.

So Libya did not 'fall?' (Don't bother to respond, you are already off topic.)

Reports coming in of a Russian airborne landing north of Crimea in the province of Kherson.

Near the village Rifle (Arabatsky arrow Henichesk, Kherson region) approximately at 13:30 helicopters landed Marines from 40 Russian troops.

What paratroopers landed and what is happening in the analog is still unknown.

www.pravda.com.ua...

weirdguy

Reports coming in of a Russian airborne landing north of Crimea in the province of Kherson.

Near the village Rifle (Arabatsky arrow Henichesk, Kherson region) approximately at 13:30 helicopters landed Marines from 40 Russian troops.

What paratroopers landed and what is happening in the analog is still unknown.

www.pravda.com.ua...

More on that from channel 24

Ukrainian soldiers gave a rebuff Russian paratroopers, who were trying to enter the territory of Kherson Oblast from the "Arabatka." "In order to respond to the immediate provocation of the Ukrainian side were raised forces Army Aviation Armed Forces of Ukraine and airmobile battalion strength," - said in a statement the Ministry of Defense. At present, the Russian military back to the previous location.

Note no other news sites saying anything about the Russian army withdrawal from the mainland after confrontation with the Ukrainian army.

Other sites saying that more helicopters landed an hour back.

Unbelievable

New it would be long before people started blaming the US for this mess

Russia is the one trying everybody's patience and rising tensions

For NATO to just sit back and not monitor the situation of over 180,000 Russian troops on the boarders and over 20,000 inside Ukraine then you are the biggest div the world has ever seen PERIOD

Russia has been asked countless times to withdraw by the world and Ukraine people and government, sitting back if fear of upsetting Russia is the most dangerous and pathetic conclusion, Russia is bulling and bullies in any situation need confronting

Russian military advance has been stopped.

Link to military website of Ukraine

Russia vetoes US-sponsored UN resolution declaring Crimea vote invalid

RT

As expected. Good for Russia!

Russia says it will look into "pleas for protection" in Kharkiv, Lugansk and Donetsk in eastern Ukraine

Ukraine's border guard told @AP Russia's troops have moved outside Crimea for first time to seize natural gas distribution station nearby

Hellas
Russia vetoes US-sponsored UN resolution declaring Crimea vote invalid

RT

As expected. Good for Russia!

edit on 15-3-2014 by Hellas because: (no reason given)

So China did not vote against. Excellent!

I simply wonder why the UNSC exists ? Its a farce when it comes to conflicts like these. The aggressor itself holds a veto. And ofc china will play around neutral .This is a complete and utter failure. Meanwhile Russia surrounds Ukraine on all sides n keeps trying to come in which it eventually will. Act fast and act strong eu nato . As dragonrider pointed putin is all abt ideals nt not money economy . so sanctions won't do anything unless they hit hard enuf to make others in russia who care abt money realize they are in deep #