Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

majesticgent
This will not go nuclear, but it could lead to the rebirth of the Cold War and another arms race. The proof is in the pudding.

Ukraine's leadership already stated they regret giving up the nukes because of the situation that they are in now. Hint hint: they will start developing them. Russia will not let that happen, plus they don't recognize Ukraine's new leaders or government as being official which is why we are seeing events unfold as they are now.

Four Baltic countries have formed a military pact. The US is sending assets to those countries. NATO probably will send more.

Russia is going to form ties with Latin American countries and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Russian bases spring up in South America.

100 billion dollars of US treasuries was sold today. Who did it? People speculate Russia did in order to limit the effectiveness of threatened sanctions after the referendum on Sunday.

China warns the West about sanctioning Russia, saying it could spiral out of control.

It will be a stalemate; Who knows maybe even eventually resulting in two new countries; East and West Ukraine. History will be repeating itself all over again. Cold War II is possible.

The first one didn't go nuclear, and I doubt the second one will if it happens.

Russia isnt the least concerned about an arms race weapon sales have dried up for them even China shops elsewhere.as much as you like to believe not everythings about money. In this case you dealing with Putin he isnt concerned with making money hes defending ideals. and no matter thw outcome a cold war wouldnt stop this wecant put Russia on a shelf like the cold war.

Just because there are giant arsenals of nuclear weapon stockpiles in the US and Russia doesn't mean they're going to use them all on one another if a conflict (actual fighting, our troops vs theirs) breaks out.. Yes, a lot of the military & govt. heads are a little loony at times, but they aren't going to stubbornly drop nukes on one another for the sake of just winning a war, while turning the planet inhabitable... Even if a nuke was ever dropped by either side on the other, I'm sure there wouldn't be that many more to follow. I've read posts on here suggesting it would only take 100 or 1000 nukes to destroy the planet (can't remember the exact figure, it was one of the two, but you get the point), I'm sure we would never see anything even remotely close to that, even in the worst of times of war. Ultimately, the people who drive war for profits still need a planet to live on and they won't want to kill the one resource we can't replace...

jhn7537
Just because there are giant arsenals of nuclear weapon stockpiles in the US and Russia doesn't mean they're going to use them all on one another if a conflict (actual fighting, our troops vs theirs) breaks out.. Yes, a lot of the military & govt. heads are a little loony at times, but they aren't going to stubbornly drop nukes on one another for the sake of just winning a war, while turning the planet inhabitable... Even if a nuke was ever dropped by either side on the other, I'm sure there wouldn't be that many more to follow. I've read posts on here suggesting it would only take 100 or 1000 nukes to destroy the planet (can't remember the exact figure, it was one of the two, but you get the point), I'm sure we would never see anything even remotely close to that, even in the worst of times of war. Ultimately, the people who drive war for profits still need a planet to live on and they won't want to kill the one resource we can't replace...

What scares me is if its limited maybe not but in truth Russia couldnt hold out against Nato this wont be a draw.So if you losedo you care? Me id rather not find out But i hope your right and if it wasnt at Russian front door id agree totally.

dragonridr
as much as you like to believe not everythings about money.

You're right it's not all about money, but the love of money, resources and power that they can bring.

Why they may sound idealistic, the stopping of Neo-Fascism, is almost up there as the US going into Iraq to stop weapons of mass destruction from reaching terrorists.

If you notice, the West is threatening sanctions, trying to hit Russia where it hurts. In return 100 billion dollars of US treasury is sold.

Russia has a ton of natural resources and that's why they are strengthening ties with Latin America. To sell to them.

Weapons sales may have dried up for them, sure, but if they feel NATO is a threat to them and is in their backyard (Ukraine) I bet they will shift focus to increasing the quality of their arms, military, and defense.

Exactly . they won't just start with nukes lol . The situation gets dangerous when one side is about to lose ( russia here if its an all out war ) . Then will putin really care abt the planet ? Ideals , its the kgb thing. But again its all theoretical , might happen might not. Lots of variables will come into play

Foxtrot7x
Exactly . they won't just start with nukes lol . The situation gets dangerous when one side is about to lose ( russia here if its an all out war ) . Then will putin really care abt the planet ? Ideals , its the kgb thing. But again its all theoretical , might happen might not. Lots of variables will come into play

Even though WWII happened a lifetime ago, the after effects of dropping WMD's on cities (ie. Hiroshima) are still very fresh and real. People are cognizant of that destruction and how it literally changed the world forever. I don't believe world leaders, not from any of the super powers, will be that stupid to ever drop a nuke on another country again... Now some radical terrorist working off extreme ideals is a whole other story, but I know Putin and Obama would never stoop to such a level...

maddy21

dragonridr

maddy21

DJW001
This is it. If the people of Crimea return blank ballots, it means that Crimea still considers itself part of Ukraine. If that happens, NATO will be justified in sinking the Russian Black Sea Fleet at harbor. Good luck cleaning that mess up.

Justified ? when was the last time NATO needed Justification to massacre,Rape ,pillage and loot . They do it anyway just because they can . Don't think NATO needs justification for anything . There hasn't been a single Death in Crimea while same cannot be said about US allies themselves , killing Pakistani soldiers,bombing Afgan soldiers , bombing Marriage convoys and not to mention getting away with pretty much anything...

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If that were true Russia's military would be destroyed by now and Russia would have already launched their ICBMs as their final goodbye.Luckily they arent like you claim but keep trying as they say maybe theres other stuff we can blame on them before this is over.

Wet dreams, nothing more ....you have not been able to fight against ragtag 3rd world militia what makes you think you can take out Russia ? They aren't whom i claim ? Libya ? Iraq ? Kosovo or how about the fact that U.S has been at war with someone or the other for more than 90% of its existing life ? Might want to look at how many people have been killed in this war on terror ?Supporting religious extremists in Syria ? NATO bravado goes when it comes to defeating 3rd world nations, the whole thing crumbles when facing a military power like Russia .

Clearly maddy once again you have no idea of what your talking about

There is a difference between conventional warfare and unconventional warfare

Russia has just the type of military that NATO was built to dismantle

And ISAF fared way better than Russia did in Afghanistan, the afghan army is ready to take over the Taliban never dared fight other than lay IEDs at night then go home as a civilian in the day... Mission accomplished

I hope you are correct . Most likely you are. Well thats good. I'm facing a personal crisis , my chibi 's taken a liking to beibers songs . See you guys later. Hope asen's doing well.

majesticgent

dragonridr
as much as you like to believe not everythings about money.

You're right it's not all about money, but the love of money, resources and power that they can bring.

Why they may sound idealistic, the stopping of Neo-Fascism, is almost up there as the US going into Iraq to stop weapons of mass destruction from reaching terrorists.

If you notice, the West is threatening sanctions, trying to hit Russia where it hurts. In return 100 billion dollars of US treasury is sold.

Russia has a ton of natural resources and that's why they are strengthening ties with Latin America. To sell to them.

Weapons sales may have dried up for them, sure, but if they feel NATO is a threat to them and is in their backyard (Ukraine) I bet they will shift focus to increasing the quality of their arms, military, and defense.

Russias concern is more patriotic its a tough thing for the west to understand we threw ours out decades ago. Its not about money its about mother Russia and Putin will do whatever he deems necessary to protect her. Even if it means invade another country. Your thinking to much like the west Russia is not the west. If this is prevented it will have nothing to do with money and only that cooler heads prevailed. Trust me Putin knows the sanctions are going to be devastating and hurt Russia but he also believes its worse not to act. The west often forgets people will fight for ideals you might say we have been corrupted by money it wasnt always that way. This is why will lose the war on terror we dont understand someone fighting for a belief its a foreign concept to us. Im leaning towards this wont go nuclear but the arrogance sometime of people in the west makes me sick. Money doesnt control everything nor does it mean the same to everyone. So the dismissive attitudes of oh this is just so whatever group can make money is nothing more than fantasy. In a full scale war there are no winners even company wise because many get nationalized for the war effort just like in world war 2. The only thing you try to do in all out war is minimize your losses.

Just woke up to the news of 2 dead and 5 wounded after a shootout between pro and anti Russians in eastern city of Kharkiv, along with more Russian troops ammasing on the eastern border and inside Crimea.

Russian army moving towards the Ukrainian border

Informs the director of the Center for Political Studies Military D. TIMCHUK referring to the group "Media Resistance." "The airfield" Dolotinka "(On the other side of the border from Lugansk) transferred 40 Mi-8 and Mi-24" - he wrote on his page on Facebook . According to him, the village Derkul (village in Tarasivska near Rostov region in Russia) also observed the movement of Russian troops towards the state border. "Also, there is a cluster of troops in the area of ​​Taganrog, Matveev Kurgan (settlement in the Rostov region) and Novoshakhtinsk (Rostov region). Near Novoshakhtinsk marked activity stations to intercept communications," - said Timchuk.

- channel 24

asen_y2k
Just woke up to the news of 2 dead and 5 wounded after a shootout between pro and anti Russians in eastern city of Kharkiv, along with more Russian troops ammasing on the eastern border and inside Crimea.

You've been sleeping for awhile then...

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It happened overnight here in Ukraine.

asen_y2k

Just woke up to the news of 2 dead and 5 wounded after a shootout between pro and anti Russians in eastern city of Kharkiv, along with more Russian troops ammasing on the eastern border and inside Crimea.

Just saw this on Aljazeera live blog. I hope this doesn't give Putin his excuse to roll into eastern Ukraine.

Two dead in clashes in eastern Ukraine: police Two people were killed in clashes that broke out between pro-Moscow and pro-Kiev supporters in Ukraine's Russian-speaking city of Kharkiv, police said on Saturday, the second such deadly incident in as many days in the country's tinderbox east.

One pro-Russia protester and a passerby were killed when Ukrainian nationalists opened fire on a group of men trying to storm their headquarters in the city late on Friday, police sources told AFP. The deaths were likely to further fuel tensions in the region, coming less than a day after Russia warned that it reserved the right to protect compatriots in the whole of Ukraine. [AFP]

Aljazeera

Wookiep

asen_y2k

Just woke up to the news of 2 dead and 5 wounded after a shootout between pro and anti Russians in eastern city of Kharkiv, along with more Russian troops ammasing on the eastern border and inside Crimea.

Just saw this on Aljazeera live blog. I hope this doesn't give Putin his excuse to roll into eastern Ukraine.

Two dead in clashes in eastern Ukraine: police Two people were killed in clashes that broke out between pro-Moscow and pro-Kiev supporters in Ukraine's Russian-speaking city of Kharkiv, police said on Saturday, the second such deadly incident in as many days in the country's tinderbox east.

One pro-Russia protester and a passerby were killed when Ukrainian nationalists opened fire on a group of men trying to storm their headquarters in the city late on Friday, police sources told AFP. The deaths were likely to further fuel tensions in the region, coming less than a day after Russia warned that it reserved the right to protect compatriots in the whole of Ukraine. [AFP]

Aljazeera

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Especially the ones killed over night were pro Russians, who were killed by the radical Right sector.

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Agreed. I think Putin might be looking for any excuse to invade eastern Ukraine, these reasons would include "provocations" against pro-Russian supporters. There have been many reports of more Russian military forces massing on the borders, have you heard anything new on that or anything to validate those claims where you're at? I have heard Russia is saying it's not true, while sources like CNN were saying it all day.

asen_y2k

Wookiep

asen_y2k

Just woke up to the news of 2 dead and 5 wounded after a shootout between pro and anti Russians in eastern city of Kharkiv, along with more Russian troops ammasing on the eastern border and inside Crimea.

Just saw this on Aljazeera live blog. I hope this doesn't give Putin his excuse to roll into eastern Ukraine.

Two dead in clashes in eastern Ukraine: police Two people were killed in clashes that broke out between pro-Moscow and pro-Kiev supporters in Ukraine's Russian-speaking city of Kharkiv, police said on Saturday, the second such deadly incident in as many days in the country's tinderbox east.

One pro-Russia protester and a passerby were killed when Ukrainian nationalists opened fire on a group of men trying to storm their headquarters in the city late on Friday, police sources told AFP. The deaths were likely to further fuel tensions in the region, coming less than a day after Russia warned that it reserved the right to protect compatriots in the whole of Ukraine. [AFP]

Aljazeera

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Especially the ones killed over night were pro Russians, who were killed by the radical Right sector.

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In the states, they have us trained that if you are woken by intruders, and reach for a gun, or cane, or anything, if it's cops, even if you just lay there, they just shoot you dead. If it's robbers, then you have a chance. But the cops are militarized now. Like those tanks lined up at the gate, in Ukraine, and roaming off base, in Crimea. Well, you know who controls us, right? Would that be better?


I'm not sure what's 'radical' about them not wanting their nation ripped from them. Sounds like you've been watching our TV shows.
They're armying right over us.

Do you guys get "COPS RELOADED"?
Well, don't believe a word of it. They are just trying to make cops look like a force for good. All the victims are lowlife scags with hoes, or meth, and the cops act pretty normal, like a fantasy world. The real thing is set up so that any invasion of your space is cause to roll up in fetal position, which basically is a green light for criminals to run wild. In time, no one will use their guns at all.

Soon, with the next '(s)election' process, Rahm will have them all confiscated. Except for the cop's, of course. They need force to make them feel safe by collecting anything that makes them feel in danger. It is a crime to hate anything. Gotta love that.

He's going for the finish line, this time. He knows they don't have a lot of time, or support. Like Satan.

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Wookiep
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Agreed. I think Putin might be looking for any excuse to invade eastern Ukraine, these reasons would include "provocations" against pro-Russian supporters. There have been many reports of more Russian military forces massing on the borders, have you heard anything new on that or anything to validate those claims where you're at? I have heard Russia is saying it's not true, while sources like CNN were saying it all day.

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Yup, the quoted text from channel 24 stating the Russian military is moving closer to the border is just a few minutes old. I do beleive they are massing heavily.

RT stated the news about the 2 dead pro Russians and added that Russia reserves the right to intervene and protect the Russian minority in eastern Ukraine.

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I see, thanks for your updates. It's hard to sift through the propaganda here, so much flying around from both sides. I think Russia has stepped up the propaganda more so since they shut down local media in Crimea. I do believe the reports of Russian forces massing at the borders are true. The U.S. has drones flying around the (new Russian make-shift) Crimean/Ukraine border and Russia brought down one or 2 earlier. Please keep us updated when you can, but get out of there once there is even the slightest hint of full scale invasion..

ETA - Sorry, the drones weren't "shot" down, they were brought down..I assume by hacking the software or something. Forgive me, I'm clueless on these things..

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Yeah, that's the ticket. Russians are massing to install a Russian government, in Ukraine....but the Ukrainians are the 'radicals'.

Let's see how that would work if a bunch of Americans were in Canada, or Mexico, trying to stage a 'referendum' to supplant the government with their own flag? Then the Mexicans, or Canadians, would be radicals for fighting back? And then the USA just 'reserves the right' to roll tanks, a full scale invasion, 'to protect' the insurrectionists, er, picked upon civilians.

I get it. And it's wrong.

Is this how Russia behaves right after hosting the Olympics? I couldn't watch 5 minutes of it. Now I know why. You could almost see it coming. As dirty as the water.

Why can't the Russians simply live in Russia?

It is easier to steal land, than to move? Do they want to be like Israel?

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