Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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Under the title “In Kiev, an Israeli army vet led a street-fighting unit”, the Jewish News Agency JTA confirms that soldiers from the IDF were involved in the EuroMaidan protest movement under the direct command of the Neo-Nazi Svoboda Party.

The leader of the “Blue Helmets of Maidan” is Delta “the nom de guerre of the commander of a Jewish-led militia force that participated in the Ukrainian revolution”. Delta is a Veteran of the notorious Givati infantry brigade, which was involved in numerous operations directed against Gaza including Operation Cast Lead in 2008-2009.

Delta was in command of a force of 40 men and women including several former IDF veterans. In the EuroMaidan, Delta was routinely applying his skills of urban warfare which he had used against the Palestinians in Gaza.

Don't know what to make of this , but seems like its Spetnaz and Isreali's in Ukraine if true

Yeah its a guy that thinks he is important and making up a story love the delta code name. Look at his picture he bought the stuff online even the BDUs are outdated US military military from the 90s. So he went shopping online and bought used equipment in fact some appears to be Russian like the helmet. So we have someone who telling a story using delta as a code naem went out bought equipment online to tell people how cool and secret his life is. I dont know about there but here we call these people loosers and hope they dont buy a gun and start living in the woods.

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There's NO invasion, NO Russian plans to take control of Ukraine or Crimea...there ARE plans to use the legal forces within Crimea and Ukraine to keep the peace and prevent anarchy and chaos.

It's quite simple really.

I think I'll agree to disagree here and say we may define the word "invasion" with radically different terms or standards. I don't think it requires sacking a capital city and killing it's leadership to call something an invasion. When Ukrainian forces in the Crimea are SURRENDERING to the occupying force...most folks would agree an invasion is what we see. We could call it a velvet invasion, for the lack of wholesale killing or damage. We could even call it half way justified...and I'm very mixed on that one myself.

However... GRU troops (as we now seem to have some indication they are) in the streets, on the corners and surrounding previously staffed military facilities of the local government are a really good clue to take for the fact an invasion...temporary or not..velvet gloved or not...has in fact occurred.

Just my two carrots into the blender.

Ok, so I just got this news alert on my phone saying that the E.U. is offering Ukraine the $15B deal... again.
www.nytimes.com...

This irritates me to no end. This all started with E.U. and Russia offering deals. Russia offered a better one that so the then President took it. Which ticked off the EU to no end, and one gentleman (i say loosely) who happened to be the head of two different banks.
Said "gentleman" becomes stand in leader after a well led protest erupts.
Chaos in Ukraine.
E.U. and US media makes everyone think Russia is going to go in and destroy Ukraine like the evil tyrants they are.
Russia goes in and BLOODLESSLY protects its assets.
Russia gets named the bad guy.
E.U. offers deal again.

hmmm I smell a rat.

10:37: Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu also says he has "no idea" how armed men - described by the Kremlin as "self-defence forces" formed by Crimean residents -came into possession of armoured military vehicles also used by the Russian military.

Russians trolling Obama and Europe

Wrabbit2000
When Ukrainian forces in the Crimea are SURRENDERING to the occupying force...most folks would agree an invasion is what we see. We could call it a velvet invasion, for the lack of wholesale killing or damage. We could even call it half way justified...and I'm very mixed on that one myself.

Yea, BUT were they surrendering or choosing sides? I'm truly suspicious at this point with the way the medial has been spinning everything up to this point.

Wrabbit2000
SURRENDERING to the occupying force...most folks would agree an invasion is what we see.

or defecting?

from what we've seen, no one is waving a white flag.. infact, they appear to be talking and negotiating all situations calmly.

this isn't an invasion, its not an occupation. Its undefinable at the moment.

The next move will determine who is the aggressor, which is why I don't think you'll see Russia take a step further.

Russian navy block Ukrainian military ships from leaving Sevastopol bay. Ukr captain appeals to the media.

Morning summary

• The US secretary of state, John Kerry, is due to hold talks with Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov today in Paris. Separately, Russia is due to hold talks with Nato in Brussels.

• Russia failed to show-up for a meeting with the so-called Budapest agreement group, which involves Washington, London, Moscow and Kiev. But the UK foreign secretary, William Hague said he was continuing attempts to get the Ukrainians and Russians together.

• The Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) said that 35 unarmed military personnel are on their way to Ukraine to act as observers in response to a request from Kiev. They include observers from the US and UK.

• The European Commission has approved measures to help Ukraine amounting to at least €11bn in coming years. The package also includes technical assistance on a number of areas from constitutional to judicial reform and preparation of elections.

• Ukrainian police ejected pro-Moscow demonstrators from a regional government building and raised its flag where Russia’s had flown since the weekend, signalling an important shift of control in the Russian-speaking east. Police said they evacuated it peacefully after receiving reports it was booby-trapped with explosives.

• Russia said that it had imposed a ban on the transportation of nuclear fuel across Ukraine due to “the unstable situation in the country”. Russia, the main supplier of nuclear fuel to Ukraine, said its neighbour has enough fuel for its power plants to last until the end of next month.

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Agit8dChop

Wrabbit2000
''this isn't an invasion, its not an occupation. Its undefinable at the moment.'''

I like this a lot. How about stalking ?

edit on 5-3-2014 by schmae because: (no reason given)

Ugh, I'm unable to use the quote function .. starting over.

""this isn't an invasion, its not an occupation. Its undefinable at the moment.'''

I like this a lot ^^^ How about stalking ?

Ukraine premier: Crimea will remain in Ukraine

Ukraine's new prime minister said Wednesday that embattled Crimea must remain part of Ukraine, but may be granted more local powers.

In his first interview since taking office last week, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk told The Associated Press that a special task force should be established "to consider what kind of additional autonomy the Crimean Republic could get." Since last weekend, Russian troops have taken control of much of the peninsula in the Black Sea, where Russian speakers are in the majority.

Yatsenyuk blamed Russian President Vladimir Putin for causing one of the sharpest international crises in Europe since the end of the Cold War — and expressed fears about further possible Russian incursions.

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Naive question for those in the know. When Russia says they will seize US assets, what are they referring to ?
I know what assets are but I'm wondering what this is referring to. TIA

schmae
Ugh, I'm unable to use the quote function .. starting over.

""this isn't an invasion, its not an occupation. Its undefinable at the moment.'''

I like this a lot ^^^ How about stalking ?

Im thinking more kidnapping since there holding Crimea at gunpoint.

schmae
Naive question for those in the know. When Russia says they will seize US assets, what are they referring to ?
I know what assets are but I'm wondering what this is referring to. TIA

Investments in Russian companies such as shares of there gas company.

Ukraine's new prime minister said Wednesday that embattled Crimea must remain part of Ukraine, but may be granted more local powers.
In his first interview since taking office last week, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk told The Associated Press that a special task force should be established "to consider what kind of additional autonomy the Crimean Republic could get." Since last weekend, Russian troops have taken control of much of the peninsula in the Black Sea, where Russian speakers are in the majority.
Yatsenyuk blamed Russian President Vladimir Putin for causing one of the sharpest international crises in Europe since the end of the Cold War — and expressed fears about further possible Russian incursions.

BOOM, there it is. DE-escalation and a tipping of the hat moment to Russia.
legislation will be drawn up now giving Crimea more autonomy and allowing Russia to have more say and control.
Russia will sit tight, Russia will not invade Ukraine like some of you lunatics suggested, Russia will keep its military bases on a defensive posture.
this whole situation will now develop into a long, drawn out political chess game where by Russia ultimately takes control of Crimea.
no doubt the west will stir up anti-russian protests in Kiev (and blame Russia) because when you get down to the brass balls of it

Russia turned up, Europe stood in shock and America was clueless about what to do.

goodnight!

Agit8dChop

Wrabbit2000
SURRENDERING to the occupying force...most folks would agree an invasion is what we see.

this isn't an invasion, its not an occupation. Its undefinable at the moment.

I see... Well, I'm not at the same loss for words as other seem to be..and it is what it is if others can't find a word for the moment. Invasion to Occupation of the Crimea territory is the description I'd use....kinda like the invasion of a little island called Grenada. It too, was in invasion. Short term, for beneficial reasons and ultimately with positive outcomes....but invasion isn't subjective terminology. It has a definition ..and this meets it.

Semantics seem to be a popular sport to play with lately... Err... Calling a spade a spade is far more my way. I'm just a simple bunny after all, too tired to try and find entirely new words for obvious actions that current folks can't stomach to call what it is rightly and properly defined as...

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Thank you . That's actually great news because what I was envisioning were US military bases in that region. Boy, would that go over well. :]

dragonridr

schmae
Ugh, I'm unable to use the quote function .. starting over.

""this isn't an invasion, its not an occupation. Its undefinable at the moment.'''

I like this a lot ^^^ How about stalking ?

I'm thinking more kidnapping since there holding Crimea at gunpoint.

kidnapping his own military bases and territory?
what a load of bull-plop.
At-least the Ukrainians aren't as stupid as the western populace.

Russia hasn't ''kidnapped'' anything, it appears Ukrainians are free to do what they please in Crimea so long as they don't enter Russia military installations or start a fight.

how many Ukrainians have been killed in Crimea by the evil kidnappers?

Just more nonsense bred from pathetic western media.

mrsdudara
Ok, so I just got this news alert on my phone saying that the E.U. is offering Ukraine the $15B deal... again.
www.nytimes.com...

Russia gets named the bad guy.
E.U. offers deal again.
hmmm I smell a rat.

In the BBC Live ticker, I noticed this 'gem' this morning and it gave me pause but I really did not think anything much of it until I saw your post. BBC Live Link

12:36: Ukraine's Finance Minister Oleksander Shlapak says that he has not ruled out continuing co-operation with Russia over a $15bn financial bailout package, but that a decision could depend on whether Kiev gets a better offer from elsewhere, Reuters reports.

Now, I do not discount or discredit the situation in Ukraine...not one bit. However, it's things like this that make me increasingly skeptical because to me, this sounds more like a petulant child who in order to get their own way plays one parent off the other.

Agit8dChop

Ukraine's new prime minister said Wednesday that embattled Crimea must remain part of Ukraine, but may be granted more local powers.
In his first interview since taking office last week, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk told The Associated Press that a special task force should be established "to consider what kind of additional autonomy the Crimean Republic could get." Since last weekend, Russian troops have taken control of much of the peninsula in the Black Sea, where Russian speakers are in the majority.
Yatsenyuk blamed Russian President Vladimir Putin for causing one of the sharpest international crises in Europe since the end of the Cold War — and expressed fears about further possible Russian incursions.

BOOM, there it is. DE-escalation and a tipping of the hat moment to Russia.
legislation will be drawn up now giving Crimea more autonomy and allowing Russia to have more say and control.

Why do you think Russia should have control over another country odd dont you think? But see thats how the Russians think we need to control Crimea.

Russia will sit tight, Russia will not invade Ukraine like some of you lunatics suggested, Russia will keep its military bases on a defensive posture.
this whole situation will now develop into a long, drawn out political chess game where by Russia ultimately takes control of Crimea.

Again shows a bully using military force for political gain but trust me there will be no political agreement with Kiev giving the Russians Crimea.

no doubt the west will stir up anti-russian protests in Kiev (and blame Russia) because when you get down to the brass balls of it

Id say the west doesnt have to do a thing the Russians are doing great stirring up anti russian sentiment all on there own all we do is sit back and watch.

Russia turned up, Europe stood in shock and America was clueless about what to do.

goodnight!

By turned up im assuming you mean using there military to intimidate smaller countries yeah they did that all right. Funny part is they just guaranteed alot of stuff they didnt want every former soviet block country is going to rush to the west since Russia showed there unstable and hostile to there neighbors.neighbors. Guarantee there will be a missile defense shield and i bet the US economy is about to get a major influx of money from all these countries buying military equipment to prevent Russia assisting there country too. And all Putin will be able to do is sit back and think of the former glory because he didnt realize times have changed and the world has a global economy now.