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Originally posted by SiRiNO
I think it is how when they commit crimes it seems they are exempt from punishment alot of the time. Now thats a power. (i'm joking guys, dont lynch me)
I dont buy this story, or the whole aboriginal ancient wisdom thing. If they were so wise they wouldnt have been living in a stone age culture of ignorence, fear, and superstition.
[edit on 30-8-2004 by SiRiNO]
Originally posted by Bastet
Your little "joke" was in questionable taste just the same, unless you honestly didn't know that Aboriginals [& part-Aboriginals too] are disproportionally represented in Australian penal institutions, and that their terms of imprisonment are also longer than "whitefellas".
I have no intention of supplying the actual figures at the moment, because I'm upset enough right now by the tone of your post. And haven't you ever heard of "Deaths in Custody" - I truly doubt you have, otherwise you'd never have made that statement in the first place.
Stone Age culture of superstition, IGNORANCE & fear? That is one of the most condescending descriptions I have had the dubiousl "pleasure" of hearing re Aboriginal culture in a long time. Their hunting & foraging skills obviously mean nothing to a child of the 21st century such as you, sir or madam.
I have outlined a few of their traditional skills. Think on these some more - & think hard on your own chances of survival were you lost & off the beaten track without any of your modern gadgets to save your skin. People with cars totally immobilised by hitting an old man roo in the outback have often died of thirst. Think on how many tourists have lost their lives in similar circumstances.
Could you, even with a bunch of mates, find water in the desert? Could you bring down a kangaroo for food? Could you fashion boomerangs - both the "killing" & the "returning" types? How would you know not to camp by a uranium-rich area? Do you know which famous explorer died amidst plenty because he did not know how to prepare the vegetation that he already knew was edible?
Some of their so-called superstitions of which you speak so scornfully, prevented both close in-breeding & tribal wars. They lived in close harmony with, & survived well, in an often harsh & unforgiving environment. Do not pretend to judge them by your 21st century standards.
Originally posted by SiRiNO
Yeap they sure are over represented, because statisticly they unfortunatly commit more crimes per person than any other ethnic group in australia. It isnt anyones fault but their own i'm afraid. Yes ofcause I have heard of deaths in custody, but let us remember that people of all races and creeds take their lives in custody, it isnt only an aboriginal phenominon.
Originally posted by SiRiNO
I will admit yes, their forreging skills are quite impressive, but for the last few thousand years the majority of cultures in the world have adopted farming, which produces a much higher yield of food than just looking for game and plants in the bush. I would have thought that developing technology to feed millions would be more impressive than the forreging skills to feed a group of just a few thousand total. There is a very good reason why the aboriginal population was so low, forreging is horrably inefficient, and cannot support very many people at all.
Originally posted by SiRiNO Lived in harmony? Pull the other one. The reaons we have so many plants that need fire to germinate is because the aboriginal population's mass burning destroyed alot of australias plant species. All that destruction for just a few charred animals. Such a waste. I hate to think the damage that would have been done if the population was larger.
Originally posted by SiRiNOFor a culture and its people to not change or increase their technical knowledge at all in 40,000 years is not a good thing...history has shown that stagnent cultures are quite often wiped out by newer more advanced ones (which is what happened to an extent). I for one am not jelious the slightest bit.
Originally posted by SiRiNO
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I will admit yes, their forreging skills are quite impressive,
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Originally posted by SiRiNO
Yeah, sure, everything that has ever gone wrong is the whitemans fault
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Originally posted by SIRIO
So on topic whats with these psychic magical natives? Tell me more. Are they a result of radiation, or aboriginals trying to make their ancient culture seem better to outsiders?
Originally posted by Bastet
I'm not quite clear what you're getting at here, & I'm not even sure you do.
What exactly is the "everything gone wrong" that you're referring to?
I do get the distinct impression that you're laying the blame for whatever it is at the koories' doorsteps. Please be more specific - as long as it doesn't conflict with your desire to stay on topic, of course.
Originally posted by Bastet
I omitted to thank you most sincerely for that "admission". It was like finding a diamond in a sea of prejudice & bias.
Originally posted by SiRiNO
It seems to me that people are blaming every single little problem the aboriginal community experiances on whitey. Which imho is completely wrong, and wont solve anything. They need to form more role models in their communities and lay off the blame and compensation crap, people are really sick of it.
Originally posted by SIRINO
Lived in harmony? Pull the other one. The reaons we have so many plants that need fire to germinate is because the aboriginal population's mass burning destroyed alot of australias plant species. All that destruction for just a few charred animals. Such a waste. I hate to think the damage that would have been done if the population was larger.
Originally posted by SiRiNO
This 'pointing the bone' type behaviour is common is alot of primative tribes around the world, and works by autosuggestion. Nothing new or magical there.
Originally posted by Bastet
Now I know where you're coming from - you're referring SOLELY to the problems within the Aboriginal community, & not to Australia's problems as a whole. Good, I'll take it from there then.
I am NOT one of those who blames all their problems on "whitey" - only a large part of them.
You obviously fail to realise that Aboriginals have only gained full citizenship rights in the last 3 decades - after 2 CENTURIES of being accustomed to a culture of living on welfare & handouts. I'm willing to bet that you're not old enough to remember when this happened. You obviously can't empathise with their resentments towards us for this, for the Stolen Generation, for the longterm results of limited access to healthcare & educational opportunities, nor for the terrible physical & mental effects of alcohol on a race of people whose bodies can't metabolise alcohol as well as we can - this has been proven by medical research, & it's because our bodies have had millennia of alcohol use.
Originally posted by SiRiNO
Yeah, sure, everything that has ever gone wrong is the whitemans fault because living in the stone age with famine and ignorence...is the way to go.
Originally posted by Ezekial
The term Kadiacha , if it is the same thing I am thinking of is actually something different. Aboriginal folk-lore (correct term?) told of a spirit(s) of some sort that would attack certain people in the night. Out in the NT we were working on a property that had an area called "kadiacha paddock" that I swear was one of the spookiest places i've ever been to. You see these little figures out of the corner of your eye all the time, its freaky.
Originally posted by answerman
Absolutely
Originally posted by Bastet
Good of you to say that, stoneskull, but I don't see as I've achieved anything beyond "preaching to the already converted".
It doesn't look like I've made any difference to SiRiNO's point of view. He hasn't returned, which he well could have, cos he'd have had the right to crow that kooris didn't really have any magical powers, just like he had said all along. I'd have been perfectly happy to concede victory to him on this point., I'm never backward in saying sorry, I was wrong.