The other shoe is about to drop-The days of freedom of expression are about to end

reply to post by dillweed

Mark my words, within six months they will shut this site and all like it down. We are way too dangerous to be allowed to exist.

Your words are so marked. What will you do in June when this site is not shut down? Will you admit that maybe there isn't some big nasty conspiracy out there? I doubt it.

By the way, you can no more "shut down the internet" then you can shut down the English language. You may target individuals that use the internet for nefarious purposes (financial scams, identiy theft, child pornographers) but you can't shut the internet down. There is no "off" switch.

Originally posted by hooper
By the way, you can no more "shut down the internet" then you can shut down the English language. You may target individuals that use the internet for nefarious purposes (financial scams, identiy theft, child pornographers) but you can't shut the internet down. There is no "off" switch.

Perhaps not in any literal sense, but the government could certainly do a lot of damage with, say, an executive order forcing all ISPs to cease operation.

Shutting down the internet is a no go for any government. The banks own earth not the governments and those same banks rely on the money the internet raises. The large multi-nationals depend on revenue and a high percentage flows as invisible money through the internet.

The ISPs wont allow the governments to shut them down, they owe and make too much money for the banks.

Lastly there are the bot-nets, anonymous by nature as we have seen over the last few days. We live in the internet era, the PTB depend on it as much as we do if not more. So, in my opinion it cant be " Switched Off" for want of a better phrase.

Respects to you all.

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by dillweed

 

Mark my words, within six months they will shut this site and all like it down. We are way too dangerous to be allowed to exist.

Your words are so marked. What will you do in June when this site is not shut down? Will you admit that maybe there isn't some big nasty conspiracy out there? I doubt it.

Actually, he will simply disappear back into the woodwork from whence he came. I know this becuase the last tiime I saw some know it all making a prediction, it was predicting Bush was going to sieze power and prohibit Obama from claiming the presidency. Before that, it was someone predicting Bush was going to incite a war with Iran over oil. Before THAT, it was the prediction that Bush was going to be found to be the one behind the Enron scandal. The time before THAT, it was Bush was going to incite a war with China over the spy plane affair. Every single one of them said, "mark my words" and I've been trying to find where these know it alls disappeared to since.

Thsi guy is simply babbling whatever paranoid nonsense is popping into his head.

reply to post by mamabeth

I don't know what country you live in.The U.S. government acts more like an organized crime syndicate then a government for the people.

It certainly seems that way, doesn't it? The will of the people has long ago been replaced by the "will of the wealthy, powerful, and elite". Congress gets elected, then immediately changes from representing the people to representing the few, the rich, and the powerful.

reply to post by GoodOlDave
Dave, you're a hater. Because that fact is so obvious, karma will deal with you. Freedom of expression allows for people like you. What I fear is that they are trying to prohibit viewpoints that differ from theirs. The boycotts on Glenn Beck, Al Sharpton trying to get Rush Limbaugh off the air are the causes of this fear. I welcome your disagreements with my views. They only serve to make me strive for clarity of purpose. My goal is to promote civil discourse about the future of the country I love so dearly. If you and yours had their way the 'book' on 911 would be closed, and for me that's unacceptable. Under the guise of 'national security' and legalized by the 'Patriot Act', I fear that they will pull the rug right out from under our pursuit of the truth about 9/11

Originally posted by dillweed
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

Dave, you're a hater. Because that fact is so obvious, karma will deal with you. Freedom of expression allows for people like you. What I fear is that they are trying to prohibit viewpoints that differ from theirs. The boycotts on Glenn Beck, Al Sharpton trying to get Rush Limbaugh off the air are the causes of this fear. I welcome your disagreements with my views. They only serve to make me strive for clarity of purpose. My goal is to promote civil discourse about the future of the country I love so dearly. If you and yours had their way the 'book' on 911 would be closed, and for me that's unacceptable. Under the guise of 'national security' and legalized by the 'Patriot Act', I fear that they will pull the rug right out from under our pursuit of the truth about 9/11

Oh, rubbish. I've been listening to you Chicken Littles predicting the sky was going to fall with the "imminent Bush dictatorship" for the past nine years, and in the meantime, Bush came and went. That car ran out of gas, so now you people are trying to stir up false public unrest with this "the gov't is going to shut down ATS within the next six months" paranoia. Come on now, don't you think enough is enough?

I'm not here to prohibit you from airing your opinions. Like I could actually stop you. You have the first amandment right of free speech to spew hallucinations that the gov't blew up the WTC with lasers from outer space, that they're trying to get the moon to crash into the EArth, or whatever. What you don't understand is that I have the first amendment right of free speech to point out the drivel you're trying to get people all paranoid over is nothing but foolishness. The proof of who really is the BS artist here is self evident- after nine years, I'm still here debunking these crackpot conspiracy claims, but on the other hand, after nine years, where's this "imminent dictatorship" you people keep railing about?

All the dictatorships in history from Hitler to Stalin to Pol Pot to Kim Jong Il all prove you don't need to go looking through garbage cans and underneath rocks to find evidence of the secret dictatorship. Dictatorships are always blatant, and will always come looking for you.

It's now been over a year. Is there a new deadline?

Originally posted by dillweed
This sh#tstorm over wiki is going to be the excuse that Barry's whitehouse uses to close down this site

And yet I still seem able to post on it. Odd.

and all sites that allow us freedom to exchange news and opinions without fear of retribution

They're still going too. Weird.

if for no other reason than the anonymity it affords us.

Anonymity still seems to be legal on the web. Stranger still.

Well, I hate to say it but, our days are numbered.

Not that numbered by the looks of it. Since everything remains exactly as it was when you posted this.

Those of you that are haters will have won. Mark my words, within six months they will shut this site and all like it down. We are way too dangerous to be allowed to exist.

Whatever makes you feel important, I guess.

Oh - and Rush Limbaugh's still going. Do you ever get anything right? Because if this is your standard of prediction then I'm not hugely confident that your analytical skills regarding 9/11 are going to be particularly... strong.

The simple fact that I annoy you gives me great comfort.

The government can shut down the internet. It's already been down a couple of times in other countries. I believe the most recent shut down was Egypt. But I think Iran, China, and North Korea have also shut it down for periods of time to control the population.
Freedom of expression is already disappearing in the USA. There was a law either passed or in the process that makes it illegal to say ill of or mock the tsa. Also there is this:
www.infowars.com...



Read the article, people don't call Janet Napolitano "Big Sis" for nothing. I'm sure there are many more examples of the infringement of our rights but I'll will admit that today I'm too lazy to do the research.

Originally posted by iamcamouflage

I think you give the US govt too much credit. They cant "shut down" the internet. It wont happen. The world would come to a crashing halt. They would be destroying the infrastructure that they themselves rely upon.

The USA can shut down or disconnect the internet in the USA and any server on US soil but they can not shut down the net, it was designed that way.

Dot.Com is a top level domain name but other servers in say Russia can take over so only boxes in the USA will become removed from the net.

I keep saying that we need to go underground and use P2P to host twiiter, Youtube and Google type services but no one seems to be listening just yet but it will come and you can take that to the bank with OpenDNS being the first step in that direction.

I believe you are right about the need for an 'underground'. Without it the common man will be lost forever. Quite of few have accused me of crying 'the sky is falling' too soon, but 'they' committed a very horrific crime. What does it serve tptb to allow the internet to continue unabated? Nothing, and that's why they have to at least try to stop it, because they are being tried and found guilty every single day.That cannot be good, if you're the one who did the crime.

reply to post by dillweed

....because they are being tried and found guilty every single day.

Huh? Who? Where? When? Or is this an imaginary courtroom?

reply to post by hooper


Hoop, there is nothing imaginary here. If one were keeping score, they would be forced to conclude that team A that represents the OS, is losing to team B which represents the 'truthers'. The best that can be said for your side is that you're still here. You guys have been pummeled, you know it and I know it. You may pretend to be laughing, but it's a nervous laugh.

Originally posted by dillweed
I believe you are right about the need for an 'underground'. Without it the common man will be lost forever. Quite of few have accused me of crying 'the sky is falling' too soon, but 'they' committed a very horrific crime. What does it serve tptb to allow the internet to continue unabated? Nothing, and that's why they have to at least try to stop it, because they are being tried and found guilty every single day.That cannot be good, if you're the one who did the crime.

(Sigh) I said it before and I'll say it again- sooner or later, some innocent bystander is going to get killed over this 9/11 conspiracy mongoring. Eventually it's going to dawn on the truthers that their preaching isn't getting them anywhere, and sooner or later some idiot is going to get the bright idea to take matters into their own hands "for the sake of justice".

It can be argued that this exact same blind ignorant devotion to an ideology is what instigated the Islamic fundamentalism that led to the 9/11 attack to begin with.

So, what's the new deadline for the falling sky?

Does this remind anyone else of the 'rapture' preachers from the fundamentalists?

Originally posted by dillweed
reply to post by hooper

 

Hoop, there is nothing imaginary here. If one were keeping score, they would be forced to conclude that team A that represents the OS, is losing to team B which represents the 'truthers'. The best that can be said for your side is that you're still here. You guys have been pummeled, you know it and I know it. You may pretend to be laughing, but it's a nervous laugh.

Well, thats nice, I guess. So who is being tried and found guilty on a daily basis? What courts? What charges? Or is this just some kind of wierd hyperbole?

reply to post by GoodOlDave


I think you may be right about that, Dave. The profusion of nonsense theories of 9/11 truth provide mentally sick persons with a rich list of targets. Politicians, Police, Firefighters, Community college instructors, "paid disinfo" internet posters, eyewitnesses; the list goes on. All are complicit in the big lie (in one theory or another).

Hardly a day goes by that bad motives aren't attributed to debunkers by someone or other on these boards. Often enough, people call for the 'perps' to hang.

Then again, it's been 10 years, and there hasn't been a significant incident, to my knowledge. anyway, 9/11 truth seems to be dying out. Steven Jones has moved on to free energy research, and soon enough, Richard Gage will run out of donations, and that'll be it. The whole field will be left to the internet ranters and youtube videos.

reply to post by DrEugeneFixer


Think you're pretty much spot on. This thing had little to no momentum to begin with and now it seems to be stuck trying to go up its last hill. Since we're all making predictions, I'll predict that in ten years if you use the phrase "truth movement" you'll have to explain yoruself, even on the internet.