State warning to TSA: Stop breaking the law

Elizabeth Smart, who was abducted from her home and molested by her captor, is traveling for media appearances and speaking engagements. I wonder how she would feel if she didn't want to get X-Ray'd and some TSA worker gropes her privates. Would she or her family feel this is right? Would others feel she is being molested by unwanted touching on her genitals?

According to certain therapists, molestors are most often not molesting just for sexual gratification, but also for power over their victim. Would Elizabeth Smart be a victim again with the powerful TSA feeling her genitals against her wishes?

Something to think about.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

Where do you draw the line?

Bend over, big guy.....

Well, there is a bunch of hyperbole going on here...this is not organised sexual assault happening, but the fact of the matter is that if one finds the process too intrusive...one doesn't fly. That creates economic fall-out in and of itself as airlines are already struggling and certainly tourist destinations don't want to hear that onerous security measures will be adding to their woes.

If I don't like the way I'm treated, well, I certainly won't fly into the US again.

There's evidence that radiating the surface of your skin by these machines makes it less likely for the skin to fully repair itself and the result is that you develop skin cancer in spots. Are you willing to be forced into that risk just to fly? Should you forced to choose between the x-ray scanners and the genital-touching pat downs as the only options just to fly? No other mode of travel requires this yet. I'm taking airline stocks out of my stock portfolio. I can't see this getting better anytime soon.

Originally posted by timmhaines
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

 

Flying into the United States is a privilege,
For our own safety we need to have them do this.
If you don't want to be throughly checked, you cannot fly here.
Flying is the easiest way, walking or going by boat you will see much more than a quick search, if you are stopped.

Actually traveling within the borders of the United States of America as a FREE CITIZEN is not a privilege but a RIGHT.
What isn't a right is to strip search us without a warrant OR
Fondle children. Yes FONDLE CHILDREN ! TSA breaks the law every time they use the scanners on children (CHILD PORN PEOPLE ) and feel up kids ! What the hell is wrong with TSA ???? Why aren't they arrested ????

Way to go New Jersey.

I never thought I'd see the day dirty jerz actually did something right.

Originally posted by Bedlam
It wouldn't take but once or twice and their attitude would change permanently. A nice public trial with a few TSA guys tagged permanently as sex offenders and popped away for 5 years in the state pen and that s--t would stop, muy pronto.

I would not support a TSA agent being prosecuted - they are following orders. It is the people giving the orders all the way up at the top with Big Sis that would need to be prosecuted by the state. The TSA agents could do a plea deal to turn evidence.

Originally posted by thepixelpusher
Elizabeth Smart, who was abducted from her home and molested by her captor, is traveling for media appearances and speaking engagements. I wonder how she would feel if she didn't want to get X-Ray'd and some TSA worker gropes her privates. Would she or her family feel this is right? Would others feel she is being molested by unwanted touching on her genitals?

There was a Dexter episode earlier this season where a sexual assault victim (Lumen) is forced to undergo a pat-down (but this came out prior to the 'enhanced rape-pat down'. I wish it had been filmed afterward as it would have had a very different conclusion (seeing as how she's going after her rapists with slice'em up Dexter).

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A lousy apologia and historically ignorant to boot; the civilised world established at Nuremberg that “just following orders” cuts no ice. And my fellow Americans are realising “it’ll stop terrorists” cuts none either, at least not to justify low-grade sexual harassment as standard behaviour for government agents.

Originally posted by ararisq

I would not support a TSA agent being prosecuted - they are following orders. It is the people giving the orders all the way up at the top with Big Sis that would need to be prosecuted by the state. The TSA agents could do a plea deal to turn evidence.

You are not required to follow any order that violates the laws or rights of other people in any extent. If I told you, as your superior, to kill your family and you did, then is it my fault or yours?

There is no way I will allow the argument of, "tough economic times, so they have to do what they are told or they lose their job." You do what is right. All the time, every time, consequences be damned.

You get orders all the time; it's up to you to decide to follow them or not.

Originally posted by ararisq

Originally posted by Bedlam
It wouldn't take but once or twice and their attitude would change permanently. A nice public trial with a few TSA guys tagged permanently as sex offenders and popped away for 5 years in the state pen and that s--t would stop, muy pronto.

I would not support a TSA agent being prosecuted - they are following orders.

This was the same excuse used by the guards at the nazi death camps. It's not an excuse.

It is the people giving the orders all the way up at the top with Big Sis that would need to be prosecuted by the state.

Absolutely those people should also be prosecuted.

The TSA agents could do a plea deal to turn evidence.

Sounds good to me.

i see we all agree that the security measures are out of line. i think most of us agree that the policies border on unconstitutionality. so im curious to know, does anyone have a solution, a way to fight back? im not talking about petitioning or writing letters or boycotting or protesting. im talking of a hypothetical situation where you are confronted by the scanners and the groping. i think i could talk myself out of the scanner pretty easily, but what about the pat downs? its one or the other, and id rather have my balls exposed to an oily hand than a radioactive box. so is there any way to fight it with reason? im coming into the states in a month, and to be honest, this whole controversy with the TSA is making me a bit hesitant to return to my family and friends and dogs back in cali. i dont want to have to allow myself to be molested, and i dont want to be subjected to radiation so that i can see my mom whom i haven't seen in 2 years. i just want to get off the damned plane and go home. i dont understand why im being treated like a prisoner at the airport. guilty until proven innocent? there seems to be something wrong with that, or is there just something wrong with me?

What is really questionable is the Muslim exempt rules where women in Burka's only get their heads and necks patted, considering the ludicracy of their public insistence that 9/11 is the excuse for their illegal war in Afghanistan and set the ground work for going back into Iran. And considering that religous grounds doesn't excuse Nuns. So what is the statement, if its not about religion? In something this dreadful that no one wants favoritism like this makes a huge political statement: That in itself is illegal.


TSA-Okay to Grope Nuns but Muslims are Exempt!!!

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What is the ultimate goal? Is it to stop the free movement of the American People? Where is the President on this issue? Would he allow himself or his wife to be patted down in this manner?

Originally posted by Unity_99
What is really questionable is the Muslim exempt rules where women in Burka's only get their heads and necks patted, considering the ludicracy of their public insistence that 9/11 is the excuse for their illegal war in Afghanistan and set the ground work for going back into Iran. And considering that religous grounds doesn't excuse Nuns. So what is the statement, if its not about religion? In something this dreadful that no one wants favoritism like this makes a huge political statement: That in itself is illegal.

TSA-Okay to Grope Nuns but Muslims are Exempt!!!

Pilots no longer have to go through the scans or pat downs. Great, now a terrorist can don a pilots uniform and get through security!!

I hope I am wrong but I am afraid I know what is going to happen is this does not stop. These TSA people are forgetting one important thing. They are not alway at the airport. They have to go home at some point. I see a point where some people take this to the next level and go after the TSA workers them selves. It is a very bad thing to even think about but make my word it will not be long until you start hearing about attacks on TSA works in the airport parking lots and maybe even in their homes. This is going to happen if something is not done to stop it and it can be stopped but will it be too late.

Here is the set up. A TSA workers has a good time checking out this fine looking woman. He checks her breast a few time just to make sure and then checks her other areas a little too much for the liking of her husband and guess how he should met in the parking lot a few day latter with a ball bat.

YES, I just made that up but only time will tell if something like that every happens.

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Check this out from Drudge :www.sun-sentinel.com...

If the TSA brings in local law enforcement, they can detain and search legally. Sounds like TSA may start to cover their ASS by using local police to do their dirty work.