Have the Jews/Israel ever helped anyone?

reply to post by rebeldog


Wow, theres no need to spit your dummy out an kick the toys out the pram. The guy only asked a question. CHILL OUT .

Joseph, one of the son's of Jacob (Israel) helped Pharoah deal with a famine which lasted for 7 years. Because Joseph helped Pharoah Jacob and his sons were invited to live in Egypt. They prospered there and really grew in numbers up to the point where the Egyptians feared them. Then Moses came. And:


"But every woman shall ask of her neighbor and the woman who lives in her house, articles of silver and articles of gold, and clothing; and you will put them on your sons and daughters. Thus you will plunder the Egyptians."

(Exodus 3:22)

"Now the sons of Israel had done according to the word of Moses, for they had requested from the Egyptians articles of silver and articles of gold, and clothing.

and the Lord had given the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they let them have their request. Thus they plundered the Egyptians."

(Exodus 12:35, 36)

I doubt the egyptians felt very good about being "plundered". Ask yourself, 'What kind of people plunder?'

Alright, I'm going to say this only once:

Israel does not represent all Jews. Also, how have the Jews helped anyone? Well, they put out good films. What have you ever done?

Well Israel wasn’t actually around until after WWII, but…
They pretty much have had their hands full with every country in the region hating them for some reason, why is that I wonder…
Now as for them helping out the US in wars I can’t really say, I never thought to look but, if you put a Jew on Muslim soil the Muslims would scream ethnic cleansing.
Better yet, rather than sending Israeli troops to a war they can just sick their big brother on the hated country and keep their people safe, they have the right to protect their people you know.
I do however agree with woodwardjnr this post seems to look to rile up ATS about the Jews. Why would you bother to do this when it serves no purpose in the real world and there are more than enough countries that are angry with them at the moment?

I’d like to thank everyone that contributed to this thread.

Yes, the title sounded controversial but it got the desired result.
I’m glad to say, even after I went to bed, I was more than impressed with the way everyone kept pretty much on topic and there were very few attacks and rants as seen by the fact Zero posts were removed. Unusual of late. Thanks mods

I said Israel/Jews simply because I am well aware Israel is very young.
My question really could have read,
Have any “Governed Jews” helped anyone militarily. Or something like that.

Its obvious many Jews living away from Israel have joined that countries forces and fought for the good of man. Same with WW1 and WW11.Just like any normal, concerned person.

I have travelled extensively with my job, used up 3 passports and have personally never met a Jew I didn’t like. We are all the same, just different beliefs.

I’ve read the posts regarding humanitarian aid and assistance and agree the Jewish people are just as quick to help as anyone else.

The MAJORITY of all races are good people, often sent astray by the MINORITY in power. To me that’s where the problems all lie.

In Israel’s case, I’m certain if the Government there, now or in the past, asked their soldiers to fight for another country, they would cheerfully……

I hope everyone sees where I am coming from and keeps this thread going in the same manner..

I am a bit confused by the title of the Thread. Are you asking specifically about Jews or Israelis? A fair question considering there are currently and have been previously "Jews" that serve in the United States military in all of the wars that you have listed. If on the other hand you are specifically asking about Israelis, then it is a different story. Thank you kindly for any further clarification.

reply to post by vwolf


Please read my post prior to yours.

The BLACK HOLE of the Israel Problem is financed by the USA

your $ @ work

unfortunately it's a PR disaster for both parties due to their militant response to compromise.

Oh, did I forget the loss of lives?

I am not Jewish or religous,.. but wasn't jesus a Jew?

Seems to be a lot of hate toward Jews lately that seems eerily familiar....

..and that hatred seems to be founded in jealousy and lack of ones own virtues or morals.

(just an outside observance from an Aethiest German Polock...)

Since this is a very simple question to answer, I sincerely have to wonder about the OPs motives.

Simple goole search "isreali Humanitarian relief" and "Boom" is all laid out before you.

Some information...

Israel's efforts formally began in 1958, with the establishment of MASHAV, the Center for International Cooperation, following the first visit of Foreign Minister Golda Meir to Africa. MASHAV has been invited to many developing countries where it has helped alleviate hunger, disease and poverty. In the 1970s, Israel broadened its humanitarian aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress - from Vietnam, Bosnia and Kosovo. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid in the wake of natural disasters and terrorist attacks beyond its borders.

I know many here like to Demonize Isreal but lets open our eyes a bit.

Isreal might not be marching thousands of troops across the globe but they are out there, helping etc.

[edit on 8-6-2010 by Helmkat]

For such a small country they have produced a great deal of technology, not only contributing to medical advances, but computing technology and green energy technology.

What have the Palestinians done to ever help anyone? Or Islam as a whole for that matter.

That's not an appropriate question in that no group of people can collectively help another. In history, when we classify a people/nation as helpful, it has to do with a diachronic cross section (in other words, a specific portion of that society at a specific time). This goes two ways. This is why you can't say ALL of any group are evil/greedy/stupid, etc.

All Americans actively support democracy!

All Mexicans are criminals!

All Jews are greedy!

All French are stuck up!

All Black people are stupid!

Et cetera, ad nauseum...

These statements don't hold water. They are generalizations based on a cross section at a specific time.

Some Americans helped to liberate the Jews and much of Europe from Nazi agression -- Therefore, All Americans (across time) are supporters of freedom and democratic ideals (despite the other wars from the last 200 years or so.

Drug cartel violence/murders is/are highest in the northern Mexican states (despite the record low crime rates in cities like San Diego, Phoenix and El Paso!!!! - makes you wonder why the violence is on THEIR border with us, huh?). But the whole nation? From 1519 forward?

Helen Thomas just met a free speech tempest for what she told those videographers. However, I see nothing racist about what she said. Israel was formed just 60 some years ago. People (including Jews, Muslim and Christian Palestinians) were already living there.

So, why is it that they can't go back? I mean, it's clearly where their most recent cultural, linguistic, and yes, even ethnic (So long in Eastern Europe and you can honestly swear there was NO mixing?!?) heritage originates.

Why did they have to leave Poland and Germany and Austria and Belgium and the Czech Republic and so forth? Why did they leave from the US? Come on? Reconciliation. Clearly not all Central and Eastern Europeans hated the Jews?

But, now that they are there in Israel, people have started to call that place home even when their parents came from Europe. So, we can't force THEM to go anywhere. I guess we'll have to figure something out. But I think that repatriation should be necessary.

We dislike Sharia Law, yet we support the creation and maintenance of a nation that is religiously cohesive in nature.

And what about our Native Americans? Oh, wait, our treatment of them is analogous...no argument there.

israhell was created by the military industry
to provoke and destroy others

Originally posted by poet1b

For such a small country they have produced a great deal of technology, not only contributing to medical advances, but computing technology and green energy technology.

What have the Palestinians done to ever help anyone? Or Islam as a whole for that matter.

when have the Palestinians had the chance to help lately?
as for Islam
do a history check on Islam and science m8ty

[edit on 8-6-2010 by dalek]

Okay, let's clarify this.
The Modern "State of Israel" =/= "The Land of Israel"
also:
Hebrew =/= Jew* =/= Zionist**

As far as I can tell, the State of Israel has some legitimacy issues.
One of which is the ironic imprisonment, persecution, and target practice on the Palestinians. Which is bad, but hasn't altered the fact that it still presumably met, if not exceeded their humanitarian requirements.
What these figures are is the real question, and how much in excess of whatever UN chartered requirements are they?

I don't think many/any posters have really focused on numbers -I'll have a bit more of a look.

Likewise, an "Hebrew" (which is a fundamentally racist concept, what's wrong with "Human"?) can have His/Her own individual humanitarian involvements.

Zionists however have a tendency to be extremists (terrorists?), who whenever possible it seems, try manipulate world events to their own ends; including the use of economic power, political interference and physical confrontation.

As far as my personal definition goes, "Politically motivated violence by a state, to its Residents" is fascism, Nazis were Facists hence the strangeness of seeing what has happened to the Palistinians since Britain handed over something that wasn't theirs. (I guess throwing the Germans out of Germany wasn't an option... the King having German family and all).

* I think that most "Jews" would claim to have Hebrew blood, and would probably be correct in saying so.

** You can have Christian Zionists, possibly Muslim Zionists but I doubt you'd hear much about them.

jewish free brigade springs to mind does that count ?

and The bielski brothers



[edit on 8-6-2010 by gambon]

if your post doesnt say Israel is great you are anti semetic! I find it hard to talk anything Israel critically cause that is what I get called anti semetic. As far as helping the world I seem to recall the lobbying party help get presidants in place.

Lets see...

Great question...

Here's a question too...

Did Cuba, Morocco, Libya, Ethiopia, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Somali, Egypt.... and the list goes on.

What have the Jews given the world?

well again Wikipedia comes to the rescue.

Name Year Area Invention
Leonard Adleman Computer Science Molecular Biology RSA; DNA computing
Charles Adler [1] horn-actuated traffic lights
Robert Adler Physicist wireless remote control for televisions
Selig Percy Amoils [2] ophthalmologist; Cryoprobe
Herman Aron invented the electric meter[3]
Hertha Ayrton [4] Draughtsmen's tools
Itzhak Bentov[5] Remote controlled cardiac catheter
(US Patent 3605725 September 1971 Bentov)
Emile Berliner[1] inventor of gramophone
Ludwig Blattner[1] Blattnerphone sound recording machine
Frank Colton[6] oral contraceptive, antihistamines
Carl Djerassi[7] oral contraceptive, antihistamines
Gertrude Elion [1] anti-leukemia drugs Nobel Prize (1988) in medicine zovirax
Samuel Fedida[1] 1971 inventor of Viewdata
Uziel Gal[1] "Uzi" sub-machine gun
Joseph Gerber[1] photoplotter, photocutter, Gerber variable scale, 650 US and foreign patents awarded
David Gestetner[8] duplicator
Leopold Godowsky, Jr. and Leopold Mannes Kodachrome[9] [10]
Sylvan Goldman[1] shopping cart
Peter Carl Goldmark[1] vinyl record
Emanuel Goldberg[9] 1910
1921/1923
1925
1931
Sensitometry
Movie camera
Microphotography
Computer science
Goldberg wedge
Kinamo
Microdot
Statistical machine
Sir David Lionel Goldsmid-Stern-Salomons [11] railway signals
Mikhail Gurevich[10] For his winning designs in the Russian military aircraft design bureau MiG, won State Stalin Prize (1941, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1953), Lenin award (1962), and the title of Hero of Socialist Labor (1957).
Waldemar Haffkine developed vaccines against cholera and bubonic plague and tested them on himself.[11]
Philippe Kahn camera phone[12]
Theodore von Karman[1] aeronautics
astronautics father of supersonic flight
Charles Kelman 1969 Ophthalmologist Phacoemulsification introduced the technique that uses ultrasonic waves to emulsify the nucleus of the eye's lens to remove cataracts.
Arthur Korn[13] forerunner of the fax machine
Arthur Kornberg 1959 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine:[14] discovered "the mechanisms in the biological synthesis of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA)".[15][16]
Roger D. Kornberg 2006 Nobel Prize in Chemistry: discovered "the molecular basis of eukaryotic transcription" (the process by which genetic information from DNA is copied to RNA).[17][16]
Hedy Lamarr[1] spread-spectrum radio technology
Edwin Land[1] Polaroid camera
Lev Landau[1] 1962 Nobel Prize in Physics for theory of superfluidity. Also co-discovered the density matrix method in quantum mechanics, the quantum mechanical theory of diamagnetism, the theory of second order phase transitions, the Ginzburg-Landau theory of superconductivity, the explanation of Landau damping in plasma physics, the Landau pole in quantum electrodynamics, and the two-component theory of neutrinos.
Bonet de Lattes 15th-16th century Astronomical ring-dial by means of which solar and stellar altitudes can be measured and the time determined with great precision by night as well as by day.
Siegfried Marcus[1] 1870 Mobile gasoline combustion engine
Ilya Ilyich Mechnikov[18] 1908 Nobel Prize in Medicine for his work on phagocytosis.
Albert Abraham Michelson [1] Inventor of Interferometer, Nobel Prize in Physics 1907
Hinda Miller[1] co-inventor of the first sports bra Jogbra
Gregory Goodwin Pincus[19] oral contraceptive, antihistamines
Egon Orowan physicist
metallurgist
Stanford R. Ovshinsky energy
information
Reinhold Rudenberg[20] scanning electron microscope
Jonas Salk[1] Developed polio (poliomyelitis) vaccine, wiping out polio in the civilized world.
David Schwartz [21] inventor of Dirigible Zeppelin
Leonid Shvarts, Moisei Komissarchik, Yakov Shor[22] 1942 the Stalin prize for the "development of a new type of weapon" (Katyusha).
Lina Stern 1921 pioneering research on the blood-brain barrier. The results of her work saved thousands of lives at the fronts of World War II.[23]
Levi Strauss and Jacob Davis[24] Blue jeans
Leo Szilard[1] 1955
1942
1931 co-invented nuclear fission reactor (1955)
First nuclear reactor (1942), with Enrico Fermi
Patent Electron Microscope (1931)
Alexander Tetelbaum Electronic Design Automation
Joseph Tykociński-Tykociner sound-on-film technology
Stanislaw Ulam mathematics
Selman Waksman[1] medicine streptomycin Nobel Prize (1952) in medicine
Chaim Weizmann[1] Industrial fermentation: used Clostridium acetobutylicum to produce acetone, used in the manufacture of cordite, critical to the Allies of World War I.
Rosalyn Sussman Yalow medical physicist radioimmunoassay
L. L. Zamenhof[25][26] Esperanto, the most widely spoken constructed international auxiliary language.
Yakov Zel'dovich[22] 1939 Zel'dovich Mechanism (oxidation of nitrogen). Also, predicted the beta decay of a p-meson, the muon catalysis. In 1977 was awarded the Kurchatov Medal[27] "for prediction of characteristics of ultracold neutrons, their detection and investigation". Famous for discovery of Sunyaev-Zel'dovich effect.[28]
Zhores Alferov
Zachariah Allen
Ori Allon
Selig Percy Amoils
Ruth Arnon
Chaim Aronson
Hertha Marks Ayrton
Ralph H. Baer
Paul Baran
Vladimir Baranov-Rossine
Bernhard Baron
Richard E. Bellman
Itzhak Bentov
Felix Berezin
Emile Berliner
Eli Biham
László Bíró
Simcha Blass
Charles K. Bliss
Manuel Blum
Baruch Samuel Blumberg
Dan Boneh
Ernst Boris Chain
Claude Cohen-Tannoudji
Fred Cohen
Stanley Norman Cohen
Paul Ehrlich
Arthur Eichengrün
Alfred Einhorn
Albert Einstein
Paul Eisler
Gertrude B. Elion
Joseph Erlanger
Edward Feigenbaum
Lee Felsenstein
Richard Feynman
Max Fleischer
Joseph Friedman
Julius Fromm
Alexander Frumkin
Dennis Gabor
Yisrael Galili
Samuel Genensky
Hugo Gernsback
David Gestetner
Charles Ginsburg
Donald A. Glaser
Leopold Godowsky, Jr.
Ken Goldberg
Peter Carl Goldmark
Richard Goldner
David Lionel Goldsmid-Stern-Salomons
Bernard Marshall Gordon
Dahlia Gredinger
Mikhail Gurevich
Fritz Haber
Waldemar Haffkine
Ruth Handler
David Harel
Herbert A. Hauptman
Martin Hellman
Gabriel Iddan
Gavriel Iddan
Gavril Ilizarov
Abram Ioffe
Hanon Izakson
Albert Kahn
Philippe Kahn
Dean Kamen
Viktor Kaplan
Ronald A. Katz
Charles Kelman
Leonard Kleinrock
Hedwig Kohn
Rudolf Kompfner
Arthur Korn
Roger D. Kornberg
Alexander Kronrod
Hedy Lamarr
Edwin H. Land
Robert S. Langer
Esther Lederberg
Leon M. Lederman
Gregory Lekhtman
Abraham Lempel
Sol Leshinsky
David Levy
Julius Edgar Lilienfeld
Otto Lilienthal
Gabriel Lippmann
Lenny Lipton
Otto Loewi
Siegfried Marcus
Louis Marx
Mary the Jewess
Viktor Meyer
Mordecai Meirowitz
Erich Mendelsohn
Morris Michtom
César Milstein
Marvin Minsky
Michel Mirowski
Georges Montefiore-Levi
Dov Moran
Frank Nabarro
Abraham Nemeth
John von Neumann
Pedro Nunes
Isidor Isaac Rabi
Michael O. Rabin
Jef Raskin
Johann Philipp Reis
Samuel Ruben
Jon Rubinstein
William Salcer
Jonas Salk
David Sarnoff
Morris Schwartz
David Schwarz
Adi Shamir
Isaac Shoenberg
Hayyim Selig Slonimski
Sass Somekh
Lina Stern
Joseph Szydlowski
Theodore von Kármán
Selman Waksman
Gil Weinberg
Chaim Weizmann
Richard Willstätter
Ricardo Wolf
Abraham Zacuto
Moshe Zakai
Alexander Zalmanov
L. L. Zamenhof
Abraham Zelmanov
Jacob Ziv
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All of you get your act togheter and stop this non sense.

What are you all trying to achieve whit all of this? Why the word Jews in the title of the thread?

Why do all of you waste your time in religion and other similar stupidities ? God is only a model to follow. Haven't you all realized that yet? Haven't you all realized all the religions are fundamently the same?

Have you ever played the broken telphone game? Where one starts with a sentense passes it on and at the end we never get the same sentense. The meaning, the words are ofthen altered or even completelly changed. That's what you all believe in is stories.

Why don't you just see a human when you see one? Why do you see a difference? We are all the same despite our colors and beliefs.

None of you are helping man kind with this type of thread. You are just creating hate and war. Think about it ... Is that what you all really want?

It's time for a wake up call brothers and sisters ... I really hope you all see it that our entire destinies depend on us all. I hope you all realise that everyones actions affect everyone elses. We are not making man kind progress. If we would all stand toghetr at the same time the world would shake and the ones that control you will lose grip on all your lives.

Start posting some threads that can find solutions to man kinds problems not one that as no pûrpose to help.

reply to post by virgom129


WWI and WWII.. Israel didn't even exist.. at least not in the shape it is today.
No israeli troops in the war zones as far as i know although they aren't part of NATO so they have no obligation to.

Israel is pretty much the first line of defence against the arab hordes spilling into Europe. It's why it's so well funded and supported by the TPTB amongst other things.

On a personal scale an IDF female soldier saved me and my belongings after being robbed in late 2009 by some muslim man with a curved knife. I'll never forget Zivah, her smile was beautiful..i was very stereotypical of the Jews until i went personally to Israel and never realised how different they are and diverse due to most Jews being descended from European and Russian peoples..well my opinion of them changed on Day 4

Zivah truly was a stunning woman..20 years old with brown hair, green eyes and lightly tanned skin..though my masculinity was affected due to being saved by a female She saved my life and i owe her,she left her post to chase after him,endangering herself as there were no police officers nearby...although an assault rifle to his chest quickly changed the guys mind...he was arrested after another Israeli called the police. I still contact her via email as it turns out we have a lot in common anyway..

Internationally i don't think Israel has helped anyone though they send humanitarian aid.
On a personal scale they helped me.

Israel has it's bad points but thats because of the Zionist government not the people...i have a feeling the tables will turn soon enough.

[edit on 17/05/09 by Raider of Truth]