9/11 The Military knows Israel did it!!! Truth is coming....

reply to post by Donny 4 million


Thanks for the article. I just had to laugh at it(or cry, laughing is easier). Pravda gives us better news than our MSM. Russia Today is better than any of our MSM. I remember a day when it was different, or at least seemed that way. I was young so my memory could be off but that's the way it seemed.

Though the media here has never been truthful, which is why we are in the pickle we are in. Heck, one can go beck to the Revolutionary War to see the propaganda in use. It's not new it's just controlled by different people than it was back then.

My apologies to OpTiMuS_PrImE

Originally posted by LatentElement

This thread's main point, as headlined "The Military knows Israel did it!!!"
has only one purpose; to sensationalize a statement made by one man. Without any corroborating evidence, testimonies, documents ... etc.
I'll admit, Dr. Sabrosky's bio is impressive -
Since he offers no proof, and unless he has added to his list of achievements the discovery of clairvoyance (the power to perceive things that are not present to the normal senses ... i.e. sixth sense) then his statement is merely speculation.
I mean no offense to the OP. Nor does that mean this discussion is invalid, IMO. Everything should be discussed, scrutinized, and proven or disproven to the best our research will allow.

... discussion is good! Great, even!
But the rush to condemn, to accuse without warrant ... and worse, the hate that seems to blossom from these discussions are not in any way useful.

I am glad this thread had legs and persevered despite the attempts to summarily dismiss it (even by me, as I quoted from my own post above).

As I said at the top, sorry OP for not giving my first go at the podcast a thorough exam. On my second time, what I found really important was something I never heard before.
This "dual citizenship" -specifically U.S.-Israeli- that while is not really unusual, may have a profound impact on the 9/11 investigation.
Whether or not the Mossad, the Zionists or the CIA had involvement is important, yes. But I think there is an underlying reason so many avenues of investigation have been thwarted, derailed, postponed, or just not pursued at all.
That reason: An in-depth investigation would expose the extraordinary influence on policy making decisions by those holding powerful positions in the US Government that are 'dual citizens', of both the US and Israel.

My Dad was in the Democratic political arena in Ohio when I was younger. Despite being asked numerous times, he never ran for office but held an official position on the State's Democratic Committee as well as local chapters.
I remember him standing before an audience on a stage. There were a dozen or so Democratic runners for various offices and positions up for election that year sitting in the front row, looking up at him.
Of everything he said to those potential Governors, Mayors, and Representatives, this one piece of advice always stuck with me ... I can still hear him saying it like he was standing right here:
"No matter what you do or say, nothing is as important as image. Whether earned or perceived, the image you project is what they will remember. And what they will evaluate you on. Just be yourself. If you're honest and forthcoming, that is what they will see. (Here's the bit that's relevant)
Avoid situations that, while being perfectly legal, may be construed by some as being improper or inconsistent with the office you hold. The very appearance of impropriety, would for you, be considered improper conduct, and therefore unacceptable.
(And for the record three of those guys were later kicked out of office - one arrested and lead away in handcuffs. Should have listened to the Old Man)

Here's my point - Doesn't it appear to be improper for anyone with a dual-citizenship to hold ANY office or position in Government, ours or theirs?
Now, if it was an isolated incident, of a person in some obscure position ... I wouldn't even be mentioning it.

But even if 1/8 (12 and a 1/2 percent) of the people claimed by Dr. Sabrosky (and in the other videos posted here) are citizens of two States and hold such powerful positions in our Government .. The United States of America's Government - I don't care if nothing is proved in regards to complicity with 9/11 or anything else.

No one can be of 'two minds' when it comes to National loyalty.
Either "you is, or you ain't"

Doesn't that make sense to all of you? Right?

They have no business being in OUR business!
They should be outed, and then replaced... immediately and forthwith.
Am I wrong?


[edit on 3/20/2010 by LatentElement]

[edit on 3/20/2010 by LatentElement]

Originally posted by wokeuplate
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Nothing beyond shallow attacks.

The structure of the post somehow offends your subjective and

quite obviously frail aesthetic sensibilities. That's all you could muster

Life must be difficult for you my friend.?

It simply gets tiring after a while seeing how HELL-BENT some people are in blaming israel and zionism for EVERY POSSIBLE evil in our world. The ignorance portrayed by some members on ATS and elsewhere is MINDBOGGLING, for lack of better words.

I already explained why 9-11 happened in my first post. You don't have to take anything as fact if you do not wish to as I do not have access to your mind, neither do I wish to have access to your mind!

The entire thread was based PURELY on OPINIONS and SPECULATION of a few semi-credible individuals and everyone is jumping on the popular lets bash israel bandwagon rather than think for themselves for a change.

ATS was based on aliens, ufos, underground bases, illuminatti, masons were the REAL SUBSTANCE lies yet a few too many mainstream folks have hijacked the site to push their mainstream views. If I want mainstream all I have to do is turn on cnn, bbc or fox news and indulge in disinfo all I want. I don't want disinfo. I have had plenty of it over the years.

Why do you think israel gets so much mainstream attention? Because they love jews, because they love palestinians, because they want the century old conflict resolved? That would be laughable if not for the sad fact the PTB are using the israeli conflict as a LAUNCHING PAD for ww3 between arabs, jews and christians. The arabs and jews will go at it first and eventually everyone else will jump in to seal the deal. The deal is our doom!

Originally posted by wokeuplate
The juxtaposition of the words NAZI and ISRAEL

makes you squirm and you find 'problematic',

but only to the extent you can attach such non-sense to me ad hominem.

Nazism was based on national socialism, extermination camps and imperialism in europe and northern africa. Zionism is based on the jews reclaiming THEIR LAND since ancient history, specifically from the forced diaspora enforced by the romans.

BASIC HISTORY! Its sad that I must keep informing people of BASIC HISTORY again and again, ad infinitum. I should probably just give up since people prefer lies over truth but I won't because that would enable the illuminati to start ww3 one day earlier and destroy our hopeless planet one day faster.....

If you don't know what the illuminati is just google it or ask and a few people just may take the time to explain it to you. I would prefer people do their own research though!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Zioinst propaganda you push forth.

Israel gets no attention from media, you never see them showing all of the murdering all the Palistine children and citizens, their Government and Army is nothing less than murderers. The rightful Jewish know this and speak about it.

reply to post by TheLoony


I feel the exact same about Russia Today.

They consistently have quality guests on their show and they really try and maintain balance between divergent opinions.

It is a far cry from the "commies" of the 80's that were so hoooorible.

Do you remember the movies "Red Dawn" (Woooooolverines!!)
Or "Firefox" with the one and only Clint Eastwood?

The big red propaganda scare.

Sad, sad times. We are the ones living in Stalin's Russia right now. Not the Russians.

Star. That was a spot on comment.

I am back out of this thread, but I had to comment on that.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


How would you like to do a little exercise Earth?
A mathematical one.
Tell us how many Folks in the Dem's and Repub's cabinets say since Billy Clinton.
List there nationalities and citizenships.
Now compare that to the national ratios.
Then we could all have a look and at least see what the numbers tell us.
You know sorta like a US census of cabinet members.
We could then do background checks into the individuals.
WE could check them right back through there ancestors and see where they come from and what their influences were growing up.
What do you say?

reply to post by talisman

There is obviously much more going on then we all realize.

Yeah, but hardly surprising considering the whole world has and continues to be lied to on a daily basis eh?

Hey all,

Kinda freaked with all the red warnings on this thread. Not suggesting it happened on this thread, just that it certainly seems some of our members w/red dots are commenting on this thread.

Having said that, dunno what's legitimate re 9/11/01 concerning Israel, as I had stated earlier?
ATS is a supreme being to me, but over the years so much crap seems to come out when anything Israel comes to subject matter. What I wonder about is WHY?

Decoy

reply to post by wokeuplate

Creveld quoted former Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan who said "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."

What, and this bloke is considered intelligent?

Doesn't he realise a dangerous mad dog invariably gets put down?

If that's the level of brain power needed to become a minister in a world government, perhaps i should run for office!

This is a poem by William s. Cohen.
Does any one care to tell what it means to them.

Talk is again of peace,
even as the air rings
with the hammer striking steel.
The cry is for the Jews
to be just, once more,
and shrink back to borders
that invited war.
For what purpose
does the hammer ring?
Is it a time to mourn
or a time to sing?

I have always believed Israel to be the main, if not one of, the major culprits behind the attacks on 9/11. Look at the list of benefactors resulting from the attack and it will read like a who's who list.


And should this ever come to be proven true beyond doubt, our military should rain hell down upon the state of Israel until there be nothing left but dirt and soot.


Or better yet....deball them, cut off all supply and support from the US and leave them to the mercy of the (newly armed) Palestinian people.

Ha ha ha. This is the funniest thing I have read on ATS yet. Israel did it!
They can't send a shell across the border without someone knowing about it and they collapsed two towers in NY and no one knew? Ha ha ha. This just made my day.

I believe men in white coats should pour over this site looking for those to fill the wards

I'd like to look further into the "dancing" Israelis, the Israeli art students and the guys arrested on George Washington Bridge, and will do so, but it will have to wait while my dumb stupid job drags me back into the world of wage earners again.

Just wanted to say that I think too much is being made of Dr. Sabrosky's views. As far as I can see, he is just another academic, despite his credentials, jumping onto the bandwagon very late. He obviously has an axe to grind against Israel and doesn't express any element of American responsibility for the pickle America finds herself in.

People should remember that Israel is where she is because America wants her there.

For the record, I believe that Israel was involved in 9/11 and that dual Israeli/American citizens were involved in setting the policies that made such a black op a reality. But they didn't do anything that wasn't desired by a power clique in the US made up of 100% American slimeballs.

Saying that "the devil (Israel) did it or made me do it" doesn't cut it. This operation was too big to lay the whole thing at Israel's door. I do think it's possible that some of the operational aspects of the thing could have been carried out by Israeli experts. I don't think they could, by themselves, get the US Air Force to put on their dunce caps for the day, though.

Like with the JFK assassination, a lot of the tale is told by the cover up that came after the deed. That kind of thing can only be arranged from on high in American power circles.

[edit on 20-3-2010 by ipsedixit]

The "terrorists" that we let/helped attack our country were from all over the middle east and it was a way to scare the public to back the US to go back to the middle east (Iraq) so we can obtain oil, even though the public thought it was for revenge. The US is the most oil consuming country in the world and the middle east has the most oil (that we know of) put 2 and 2 together. There we NO terrorists in Iraq before we got there(Sadaam wouldn't allow them to operate in his country because he has his own special forces), so why in the hell would we go there? (I'll leave that up 2 you). I'm in the military and I can tell you we do not have anything saying that Israel (one of our greatest allies) was the ones who did this.

I've been trying to look up info on the mural truck on 6th and 7th King Street. It's mentioned once in the Mineta Transportation Institute report of 02/06.

transweb.sjsu.edu...

On pg 28 it says "There were continuos moments of alarm. A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck"

I can't find any other coverage on it. It'd be nice to have a picture of the van as the MTI report also confirms the mural. Can we trust that it was an "innocent delivery truck"?

Oh, I found a picture of the van. Not sure of it's authenticity. Anyone have any idea?

www.viewzone.com...

I call BS on the MTI report.

Originally posted by Reign02
The "terrorists" that we let/helped attack our country were from all over the middle east and it was a way to scare the public to back the US to go back to the middle east (Iraq) so we can obtain oil, even though the public thought it was for revenge. The US is the most oil consuming country in the world and the middle east has the most oil (that we know of) put 2 and 2 together. There we NO terrorists in Iraq before we got there(Sadaam wouldn't allow them to operate in his country because he has his own special forces), so why in the hell would we go there? (I'll leave that up 2 you). I'm in the military and I can tell you we do not have anything saying that Israel (one of our greatest allies) was the ones who did this.

Do you think you could pull up the info that shows us what makes Israel one of our greatest allies?

How many of their troops are on the front lines in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Why did we have to put our air bases in Saudi Arabia in Desert Storm.
What actually do Americans get from Israel for our tax dollar?
Do you want allies that is sanctioned by the UN for humanitarian and nuclear proliferation violations.
I can't view Israel as allies at all, let alone great.

Originally posted by Pipebomb24875
Oh, I found a picture of the van. Not sure of it's authenticity. Anyone have any idea?

www.viewzone.com...

I call BS on the MTI report.

This site has a pretty clear picture of what was going on with the dancers.
The owner and employees of the moving company I think have all taken refuge in Israel


9-11 Attacks: The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested on 9-11
The Israeli "movers" cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history. ...

whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html - Similar

Originally posted by OpTiMuS_PrImE
HEY stop the fighting people the ones inducing the argument are nothing more than trolls, Zionist propaganders, and paid ops. Stick to the discussion of facts not a battle of thoughts.

This is why i was gone off the site for a couple of months because there is no control here over these guys attacking threads and derailing them.

Best words of advice i can give is ignore the threads that are blatently there to derail and dis-inform do not attempt to argue it out stick with the facts and truth and keep moving forward.

[edit on 19-3-2010 by OpTiMuS_PrImE]

>> In other words; "Don't fall for the Chewbacca defense!"

Cochran
...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
Gerald Broflovski
Damn it!... He's using the Chewbacca defense!
Cochran
Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.[1]

So, not only do you have to PROVE 9/11 was an inside job, when all the evidence has been corrupted by the Bush administration -- how it was done, and that you are NOT crazy. On top of that, you have to ALSO prove you aren't an anti-semite, and you have to prove that Israel -- and all Jews, were in on it (not just the Mossad). If the Mossad had any involvement -- you can ONLY prove that after you prove the "INSIDE JOB" and you've got co-conspirators at least.

Stick with the Bush administration who botched the cover-up. If they are NOT GUILTY -- THEY will have to prove it in the court of law. But as Americans -- we can criticize our own, and the "polished chrome" of the Bush family credibility is tarnished to anyone but a paid shill or cretin. You usually have to go after any coverup BEFORE you can go after the crime. Stop falling for this nonsense and playing into the hands of the Bush/Mossad/Bin Laden scam -- they are all working together.

Anyone paying attention, knows that the Mossad attacks Israel almost as much as Palestine -- probably more, but that would also require proof. The problem is -- the people already watching TV news and haven't figured out that half of the ads are really there to make sure NOTHING gets reported that is bad about that company (hence, more Toyota ads will mean they stop covering the 24 crashes due to people pressing the accelerator) -- does not know about anything you are talking about.

The Public is not educated about what the public doesn't know. You can PRINT OUT, the Senate investigation that CONCLUDES JFK was assassinated as part of a CONSPIRACY -- meaning the SENATE was saying it wasn't just one gunman involved -- but you will still be a tin-foil-hat in their mind.

The MORE you add to the "conspiracy" the more you have to prove BEFORE anyone bothers to listen to anything you have to say about 9/11.

>> Would anyone listen to me about an international conspiracy that controls religions and governments through pedophilia and extortion? No. But now we have the Pope, a prostitution ring in Italy, and now the Pope's old diocese in Germany. It is not a coincidence that so many politicians who are aligned with NeoCons (or should we really just call them fascists?), lose power based upon a sex scandal -- that's WHY they got promoted. In the mob, you have to kill someone to become a "made man" -- in the Fascist cabal, you have at least commit a sin that could end your career. When you have broken ranks -- the press covers a "sex scandal." They never cover that a politician was selling out America with his votes because his political handlers not only KNEW about the child abuse -- they got him the kids to play with. They never cover the bankrupt policies that put our nation in the hole it is in.

9/11 is a tiny nothing. 3,000 people died -- like we give a damn. We are not rioting in the streets because 50,000 die in car accidents, 40,000 from lack of health coverage, 10,000 innocents merely because they get in the crossfire of cops going on a drug raid. 9/11 was ONLY important, because ARAB FOREIGNERS did it to us, and it makes some people who were living behind picket fences feel vulnerable -- and the media hyped it up, and it justified the ending of the Constitution and 2 illegal wars.

The Media talks about "civil unrest" in Afghanistan, and "insurgents" or terrorists fighting our forces -- again, NOT mentioning that we have no business in that country. The ONLY reason I care about the 9/11 scam, is because the whole entire psychological dung heap that American's justified to themselves rests on that.

Nobody thinks they can be conned by the press, telling them that gravity and fire work special in the presence of jet fuel. The difference between Ignorance and Uninformed is that an Ignorant person can actually know a lot of things, but they are unaware of what they don't know. Most of us are IGNORANT, but nobody thinks that THEY might be ignorant. If you don't consider that you could be clueless EVERY TIME you talk -- then you are likely a very big fool.

I realize that I don't really know much about 9/11 but what I've been told -- and what I've been told does not add up. I realize that MOST of what I think is pure speculation. The only people who could have made that happen, is the Bush administration and the PRESS, which said: "Demolition" when they first saw it, and because they have 7 figure jobs, said "pancake collapse" the next day.

Most of the people who lie, are not involved -- they just got made complicit and so they adopt a belief system that justifies their shame. There is nothing new in that, and that is why most conspiracies are successful. The OTHER reason that conspiracies are successful, is that we are all fools and you are only wise when you know that, and we adopt the status quo, because most of us benefit to some extent from the crime.

During the Reagan administration, The School of the Americas worked to assassinate or bribe Latin American politicians who would not let in Multinational corporations to rape and pillage their countries. "GLOBALISM" was merely the exporting of Slavery. Now that all these corporations, and a stock market, depend upon ever increasing growth and that requires more and more exploitation -- the misery coming to America, is merely that all the kids working in sweat shops in foreign lands have their hands full -- and to maintain the every increasing growth of Multinationals -- they must now feed on us.

So while we were well fed, and had our SUVs fully gassed, we could give a damn about 5 million killed in Darfur. You, me and my neighbor -- we've had it pretty good up till now. When the SHTF -- people without full bellies are going to now be morally outraged -- and they need someone else to blame. As the carpet-baggers who did this, like Bush and Cheney, make off with their bags of loot, they will make sure their willing fools, point the finger at Jews, Arabs, Mexicans -- anyone that the have-nots can blame.

The religion of blaming the poor that has had our country in thrall, isn't going to work when everyone you know is poor. What do you call a Libertarian on welfare? Someone well educated, who worked hard, who didn't blame anyone else for where he was in life -- as long as life was good, who did everything right, but now doesn't have a job, nor can he make anything cheaply enough that anyone wants to buy because they also have no money. So, entering into that state of shock, are all the people who want to point the finger and say; "That guy did this to you." And they will be selling you the pitchforks and torches and they will be selling the poor security guards who took that
job to feed their family the guns. And they will be laughing at both sides.

>> Stop the animosity, stop the polishing of your guns. When someone "comes for you" it will be with an eviction notice -- and that person will be just doing a crummy job to feed their family. The people you have to blame is FIRST, your own willful ignorance -- you forgot to look out for the poor, and the prisoner, and the sick. Not that we shouldn't go after the manipulators -- but they are not a race, a "group," and they are NOT the poor sap that is in range of any weapon you have. When you pick up a weapon, you will only justify a police state, to the people who still have jobs.

There are about 2000 real culprits in this country, and they are all, very, very, very wealthy. Nobody with less than $50 Million in an offshore bank is really pulling the strings -- they are an errand boy. These folks are on the boards of more than one company and they don't get in the news. Their stooges and shills like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and Ollie North do that for them. They work for companies like Goldman Sachs, and Raytheon, and Pfizer.

What "SECURITY" could we possibly be fighting for in Afghanistan and Iraq, while our weapons are all made by private companies that are relocating to China? Can we even build a weapon without importing from Asia? American's bought into Globalization because we thought we were exceptional, and the cheap Indian laborer wouldn't be able to do the job as good as us one day.

9/11 is just a long string of lies, that we have all bought into, and there is no REAL enemy outside of the Robber Barons who constantly needs us to fight an "other." I don't even think we are actually serious about attacking Iran. China needs cheap oil from them, and they could shut down our country in a second by no longer fixing their currency to ours and dumping goods on us. Russia would be down-wind of any nuclear strike. It isn't going to happen. So why the show? Because the Mullahs need people scared about America, and our military needs us scared about Iran so we don't think of cutting their budget of $780 Billion.

It's just business folks. We have all been "in on it" and that's why we cannot convince anyone. The Mossad doesn't work for Jews.