Nimrod, the First Pharaoh and the Conqueror of the Post-Flood World

Another flood thread. Fun.

Stephanie Meyer doesn’t claim to have learnt of vampires from her maternal grandfather who heard it from Egyptian priests.

She also isn’t renowned for her philosophical reasoning.

She is in fact a fiction writer.

I wonder what Plato would have written about the original skeptics if they had been contemporaries.


a reply to: FlyersFan

originally posted by: cooperton

The first post-flood ruler in the Bible is Nimrod, who was said to be a mighty warrior and to have founded multiple cities stretching across Mesopotamia and encompassing the land of Assyria. His brothers, among whom was 'Mitsraim', meaning "Egypt", also extended outwards stretching the empire to Africa. His brother Canaan also inhabited the land of Canaan. Therefore the map of the sons of Ham shortly after the flood would have looked something like this:

When you say "shortly" after the flood, how many millennia are we talking? Or did Nimrod and his brothers rule just a handful of their cousins?

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: FlyersFan

Plato invented Atlantis as part of his literary works in the 300s BC. It's a fictional story of a place from 9,000 years earlier. His fictional story is not an historical document. He would have had zero knowledge of such an event and place. There is absolutely no evidence of Atlantis ever being real.

How can you say there is no evidence that Atlantis is real when Plato's account is literally evidence that Atlantis is real? lol. He even goes into great detail regarding the dimensions of the city, that would be a pretty silly metaphor. It very much sounds like a real place in his description

Aye, just like CS Lewis did with Cair Paraval

oh, wait .....

You think that the Chronicles of Narnia are factual accounts of genuine historic events?

I can't stop laughing at this response. Brilliant.

FInding this thread very interesting though

originally posted by: Dalamax
She is in fact a fiction writer.

Apparently so is Plato.

The early church really should’ve omitted all this Old Testament crap when compiling the Bible. It’d save a lot of headaches millennia down the line.

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originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Dalamax
She is in fact a fiction writer.

Apparently so is Plato.

Apparent to who?

a reply to: FlyersFan

Plato invented Atlantis as part of his literary works in the 300s BC. It's a fictional story of a place from 9,000 years earlier

He narrated ot as fact. Saying the Egyptian priests said we know v little about our own history.. SO dont pretend things are debunked when they not.. That is called a lie..

originally posted by: purplemer


He narrated ot as fact. Saying the Egyptian priests said we know v little about our own history.. SO dont pretend things are debunked when they not.. That is called a lie..

Exactly. Whether or not Atlantis is real, it is very obvious when you read the accounts that at the very least Plato himself believes he is re-telling true history.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Apparently so is Plato.

Pretty ignorant.. Plato is known by scholars for his accuracy. Of course apart from Atlantis which is fiction.. Government endorsed history lol..

disapearing cities eh. what about the city of Enoch.. Wonder where that went..

enki teacher of mankind after a great deluge.. had an argument with his brother on the destiny of mankind..
Does that sound like quetzalcoatl saved mankind after a great flood and arguments with his brother over the destiny of mankind.

Knowledge shared that should not have been.,. sounds a bit like lucifer of prometheus. eh

a reply to: purplemer

I feel Atlantis was a Minoan port city in the Agean Sea, today known as Santorini.



Which before a volcanic eruption that destroyed it 1654 BCE, looked like this:



It was a port of legends. The Minoan lined both the interior island and possibly the inner part of exterior island with ships, and other buildings. With the most significant buildings on the center island. (AKA: a volcanic dome)

And The Minoans, and their legendary port city, which NO ONE COULD ATTACK, was destroyed in a day.

To become a real-life story of hubris... or not building cities on volcanic domes.

The explosively of The Thera Volcano was VEI 6 or VEI 7. No one is surviving.

But given that Minoan language Linear A led to Mycenean which led to Greek, it is any wonder this Great Ancient civilization was a subject of lore to the Greek?

Like if a great localized flood happens, and the culture remembers this significant event and keeps it alive through a great retelling, that significantly exaggerates it over time.

With Thera/Santorini/Atlantis the original layout gets turned into multiple concentric rings, with castles and everything.

"Past the gates of Gibraltar" usually sends people out into the Atlantic, but apart from the narrative Plato wrote 1250 years later that used it as reference, nothing says a port city would be advantageous out there. Or was continent. Or was this vast civilization.

If it is in The Agean, it's now in the correct location for a 17th century BCE port city. And centerpiece of a great seafaring civilization.

The Minoans controlled several islands. That was their capital.

Santorini just goes with it for tourists. They have pretty much proclaimed themselves Atlantis at this point.

They are really really sure about it too. Looks like a fun vacation.

originally posted by: cooperton
Exactly. Whether or not Atlantis is real, it is very obvious when you read the accounts that at the very least Plato himself believes he is re-telling true history.

That's not true. He wrote a fictional story. There is nothing to suggest if he actually believed what he wrote. You are projecting. He gave details as any good story teller does. Like I said ... you might as well claim that Twilight is proof of vampires in the world because it is detailed. Pfft.

There is ZERO evidence to support that he actually had super secret knowledge of a continent that was lost 9,000 years before, and that the story was secretly told orally for 9,000 years to only a select group of people.

Did you ever play 'telephone' as a child? 20 kids line up and whisper a few words in the ear of the next person in line. That person then whispers those words to the next person in line. By the time the words get to the end of the line, they aren't even close to what the words started out as. There is ZERO chance that a story could be passed on orally by uneducated peasants for 9,000 years and it would remain actually true to what it may have started out as.

Atlantis is fiction. Literary scholars agree. And there is no proof to suggest otherwise.

originally posted by: purplemer
Plato is known by scholars for his accuracy.

Plato is known by scholars for his FICTIONAL account of Atlantis.
THAT is what literary scholars agree the tale of Atlantis is.
He used it as a literary device.
Take a college level literary course.
That is what the scholars say.

Platos Atlantis

The Atlantis tale is part of a Socratic dialogue, not a historical treatise. The story is preceded by an account of Helios the sun god's son Phaethon yoking horses to his father's chariot and then driving them through the sky and scorching the earth. Rather than exact reporting of past events, the Atlantis story describes an impossible set of circumstances which were designed by Plato to represent how a miniature utopia failed and became a lesson to us defining the proper behavior of a state.