Israeli Politician admits 12,000 Palestinians have died so far but... they're mostly terrorists!

originally posted by: CaptainY

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: CaptainY

I support Israel’s right to defend themselves and wipe out Hamas.

What’s the difference between Israel defending themselves and what the allies did in Dresden or Hamburg?

According to all evidence

Which you have yet to provide.

originally posted by: NorthOS

I agree 100%.

Not just the farms getting chopped up but the farmers also.

Looking at those who are screaming the loudest about Israel defending themselves constantly points to hypocrisy and selective outrage.

Black warlords chopping up white farmers is OK by world standards...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yemen

Syria

China

Central African Republic

Iraq

Sudan & South Sudan

Myanmar

GENOCIDES TODAY

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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: NorthOS

I agree 100%.

Not just the farms getting chopped up but the farmers also.

Looking at those who are screaming the loudest about Israel defending themselves constantly points to hypocrisy and selective outrage.

Black warlords chopping up white farmers is OK by world standards...

The white farmers were "oppressors" like the Israeli's.

That's the "mindset".

originally posted by: NorthOS

Yemen

Syria

China

Central African Republic

Iraq

Sudan & South Sudan

Myanmar

Where are the streets filled with protestors for even one of them...

originally posted by: DBCowboy

The white farmers were "oppressors" like the Israeli's.

That's the "mindset".

It all destroyed many Black lives too. All that farming and industry is gone... It is just total corruption and warlords where the masses that are not either live in squalor now...It is so much better now than when those evil Whites were there.

a reply to: Xtrozero

We have (had) SA posters on this site, they had horror stories.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

We have (had) SA posters on this site, they had horror stories.

I remember those posts a few years back, and people said they were lying.

originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: CaptainY

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: CaptainY

I support Israel’s right to defend themselves and wipe out Hamas.

What’s the difference between Israel defending themselves and what the allies did in Dresden or Hamburg?

According to all evidence

Which you have yet to provide.

Has been already provided but you seem to be living in an alternate reality.

originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: CaptainY

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: CaptainY

I support Israel’s right to defend themselves and wipe out Hamas.

What’s the difference between Israel defending themselves and what the allies did in Dresden or Hamburg?

According to all evidence

Which you have yet to provide.

Even the New York Times are willing to bring this issue to the attention of their readers

www.nytimes.com...

Gaza Civilians, Under Israeli Barrage, Are Being Killed at Historic Pace

Even a conservative assessment of the reported Gaza casualty figures shows that the rate of death during Israel’s assault has few precedents in this century, experts say


It shows precisely that civilians are the ones that killed in their thousands and at rate that has never seen before. It goes against the unsubstantiated argument the majority of people killed in Gaza are civilians. We all know nobody accepts it unless you are detached from reality.

Israel has cast the deaths of civilians in the Gaza Strip as a regrettable but unavoidable part of modern conflict, pointing to the heavy human toll from military campaigns the United States itself once waged in Iraq and Syria

But a review of past conflicts and interviews with casualty and weapons experts suggest that Israel’s assault is different.

While wartime death tolls will never be exact, experts say that even a conservative reading of the casualty figures reported from Gaza shows that the pace of death during Israel’s campaign has few precedents in this century.

People are being killed in Gaza more quickly than Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan

People are being killed in Gaza more quickly, they say, than in even the deadliest moments of US-led attacks in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, which were themselves widely criticized by human rights groups.

This article clearly shows how detached your argument is from reality

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: CaptainY

Even a conservative assessment of the reported Gaza casualty figures shows that the rate of death during Israel’s assault has few precedents in this century, experts say

And here we are with estimates, so 400k to 500k civilians killed by Saudi is not as bad?

There is no military solution to the ongoing conflict in Gaza and that's more than obvious. There is only political solution as expressed numerous times by many US Officials and Politicians around the World who have condemned Israel for committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Politics didn't work even from the beginning when they turned down the two-state system. Also, who are you to say no military solution as what you think doesn't matter in all this.

Even the New York Times are reporting on the huge death toll and the whole world has seen what has happened in Gaza over the past 7 weeks. Other conflicts exist too around the world but this one is the most recent and one of the most brutal ones.

a reply to: Vermilion

I find it amusing you speak about apologists when you are the one who has been trying to defend and justify the mass killings of innocent civilians in Gaza and trying to apologise for the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Israel.

www.reuters.com...

Even Blinken has admitted far too many Palestinians have died in this conflict and most of the civilians. Again this goes against your argument that you should have used as it has no basis in anything unless you regard women and children as 'terrorists'.

www.pbs.org...

Israel pounded targets in the crowded southern half of the Gaza Strip on Saturday and ordered more neighborhoods designated for attack to evacuate, driving up the death toll even as the United States and others urged it to do more to protect Gaza civilians a day after a truce collapsed.

At least 200 Palestinians have been killed since the fighting resumed Friday morning following the weeklong truce with the territory's ruling militant group Hamas, according to the Health Ministry in Gaza. Several homes were hit across Gaza on Saturday, with multiple casualties reported in a strike that flattened a multi-story building on the outskirts of Gaza City.

You have made a range of bogus claims including one where the vast majority of deaths are civilians. You have been refuted several times over these bogus and debunked claims.

Now you are drawing a parallel between Gaza and Dresden and between Palestinians and Nazis. You forget who is under occupation on this case and who is the oppressed and the oppressor. You have lost the plot and you seem to be living at an alternate reality.

originally posted by: CaptainZ
a reply to: Vermilion

I find it amusing you speak about apologists when you are the one who has been trying to defend and justify the mass killings of innocent civilians in Gaza

Nobody is trying to justify the needless deaths that you ignore are from Hamas refusing to evacuate their civilians, refusing to shelter their civilians, cower behind their civilians. While tuning Gaza neighborhoods and schools into rocket launch sites and store. While Israeli hostages are still being held captive and tortured. While this all started on Oct 7 when Hamas launched rockets into the thousands into Israel. When Hamas literally as an elected government sanctioned the targeting of civilians with murder, rape, torture, kidnapping, and the abuse and torture of hostages.

Now. How is Israel to remove Hamas that is dug under civilian infrastructure and uses neighborhoods as launch sites.

originally posted by: CaptainZ
a reply to: Vermilion



You have made a range of bogus claims including one where the vast majority of deaths are civilians.

That Hamas lies and lists the deaths of its terrorist troops a civilian deaths. And the incident at the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital parking lot explosion proves that Hamas lies about the number of dead by a factor of 3 to 5 times. And will lie about the cause. It’s was a Hamas misfired rocket. Not an Israeli air strike.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: CaptainZ
a reply to: Vermilion

I find it amusing you speak about apologists when you are the one who has been trying to defend and justify the mass killings of innocent civilians in Gaza

Nobody is trying to justify the needless deaths that you ignore are from Hamas refusing to evacuate their civilians, refusing to shelter their civilians, cower behind their civilians. While tuning Gaza neighborhoods and schools into rocket launch sites and store. While Israeli hostages are still being held captive and tortured. While this all started on Oct 7 when Hamas launched rockets into the thousands into Israel. When Hamas literally as an elected government sanctioned the targeting of civilians with murder, rape, torture, kidnapping, and the abuse and torture of hostages.

Now. How is Israel to remove Hamas that is dug under civilian infrastructure and uses neighborhoods as launch sites.

The existence of Hamas doesn't justify war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Israel has no such commitment for peace and it has been exposed in the past 7 weeks trying to cover the mass murder of thousands of innocent civilians who have slaughtered in the name of self defense. There are several calls for Netanyahou and his Government to he arrested for war crimes and crimes against humanity because of these atrocities.

The South African government on Monday called on the International Criminal Court to issue an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by mid-December.

Minister in the Presidency Khumbudzo Ntshavheni said it would signal a "total failure" of global governance if the ICC does not do so.

"The world cannot simply stand by and watch. The global community needs to rise to stop this genocide now," said Ntshavheni.

You probably need to wake up from this alternate reality of yours that you seem to be living

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: CaptainZ
a reply to: Vermilion

I find it amusing you speak about apologists when you are the one who has been trying to defend and justify the mass killings of innocent civilians in Gaza

Nobody is trying to justify the needless deaths that you ignore are from Hamas refusing to evacuate their civilians, refusing to shelter their civilians, cower behind their civilians. While tuning Gaza neighborhoods and schools into rocket launch sites and store. While Israeli hostages are still being held captive and tortured. While this all started on Oct 7 when Hamas launched rockets into the thousands into Israel. When Hamas literally as an elected government sanctioned the targeting of civilians with murder, rape, torture, kidnapping, and the abuse and torture of hostages.

Now. How is Israel to remove Hamas that is dug under civilian infrastructure and uses neighborhoods as launch sites.

The deaths of Palestinians have been caused by the Israeli Air Strikes and that's a fact. It's Israel that has been accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity for the deaths and suffering of Palestinians.

thehill.com...

A senior Biden administration official said the death toll of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip is likely far higher than the 10,000 number being reported by the health ministry amid Israel’s war against Hamas.

Barbara Leaf, assistant secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, told a House panel those killed more than one month into the war are likely “higher than is being cited

We all know about the aims and objectives of this campaign by Israel i.e to take revenge and kill as many innocent Palestinians as possible, destroy large parts of Gaza, end drive Palestinians out of their land. In a few words mas murder and ethnic cleansing.

Everyone knows it by now and you seem to be supporting what they do. It's just that you have no moral argument and no argument at all.

originally posted by: CaptainZ



The deaths of Palestinians have been caused by the Israeli Air Strikes and that's a fact.

Needless deaths if Hamas would evacuate their civilians away from the neighborhoods, schools, and hospitals Hamas made into rocket bases, factories, and by placing their command tunnels underneath. To literally launch rockets in the thousands into Israel over years.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: CaptainZ



The deaths of Palestinians have been caused by the Israeli Air Strikes and that's a fact.

Needless deaths if Hamas would evacuate their civilians away from the neighborhoods, schools, and hospitals Hamas made into rocket bases, factories, and by placing their command tunnels underneath. To literally launch rockets in the thousands into Israel over years.

You have been stuck into the Hamas argument that takes you nowhere I am afraid. The Israeli Army has been murdering thousands of innocent civilians over the last 7 weeks or so and engaged in a campaign of ethnic cleansing. Others say genocide too. You seem to be ignoring the facts. But the facts speak for themselves.

We all know about the aims and objectives of this campaign by Israel i.e to take revenge and kill as many innocent Palestinians as possible, destroy large parts of Gaza, end drive Palestinians out of their land. In a few words mas murder and ethnic cleansing.

Everyone knows it by now and you seem to be supporting what they do. It's just that you have no moral argument and no argument at all.

a reply to: CaptainZ

Again.

Hamas refuses to evacuate its civilians, uses them as human shields, Hamas integrates the launching, building, and storage of its terror rockets into civilian infrastructure. Hamas illegally cowers behind civilians and civilians infrastructure.

How else is Israel to remove Hamas the elected government of Gaza that sanctioned the targeting of civilians on Oct 7th with murder, rape, torture, kidnapping, and the on going abuse and torturing of current hostages.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: CaptainZ

Again.

Hamas refuses to evacuate its civilians, uses them as human shields, Hamas integrates the launching, building, and storage of its terror rockets into civilian infrastructure. Hamas illegally cowers behind civilians and civilians infrastructure.

How else is Israel to remove Hamas the elected government of Gaza that sanctioned the targeting of civilians on Oct 7th with murder, rape, torture, kidnapping, and the on going abuse and torturing of current hostages.

You have been stuck into the Hamas argument that takes you nowhere I am afraid. The Israeli Army has been murdering thousands of innocent civilians over the last 7 weeks or so and engaged in a campaign of ethnic cleansing. Others say genocide too. You seem to be ignoring the facts. But the facts speak for themselves.

We all know about the aims and objectives of this campaign by Israel i.e to take revenge and kill as many innocent Palestinians as possible, destroy large parts of Gaza, end drive Palestinians out of their land. In a few words mas murder and ethnic cleansing.

Everyone knows it by now and you seem to be supporting what they do. It's just that you have no moral argument and no argument at all.

The deaths of Palestinians have been caused by the Israeli Air Strikes and that's a fact. It's Israel that has been accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity for the deaths and suffering of Palestinians.