The time has come, the Walrus said, to speak of [Flat Earth] - and other things...

Okay, how is this still going on?

Meh, one more...

Almost every object in the universe forms via accretion. There is no star, planet, planetesimal, or planetoid that doesn't form the same way.

Let's just throw out the paranoia of Nasa and denial of technology and imagery. You don't have to accept all the images and proofs you choose to see.

But you do have to accept this:

You are saying EARTH WAS NOT CREATED BY GRAVITATIONAL INTERACTION. You are denying the laws of physics. Rotation and mass. A planet spinning around a star, spinning around a galactic center, orbiting a parent galaxy.

At about the size of Ceres accreted objects are mostly spheroid. Why? Because the forces of gravitation and rotation pull it into a sphere.

You not only say that the view of the earth is wrong, you say pretty much all of physics is also a lie. You say The Theory of Relativity is a lie.

By denying this one simply fact you create a butterfly effect that invalidates every science related to the shape of the earth.

Like the guy in the 3rd comment that said flat objects can't form in space, well there's a reason for that. In a few words too.

I can spend an hour and 700 words and not make it simpler than that.

Flat Earth lives in a world where the only reason the apple hit Newton on the head was because The Serpent dislodged it from the tree as part of his diabolical plan to promote the lie of gravity.

Before you go anywhere, acknowledge that first.

This makes more sense than some on here, and it's bonkers:

www.landoverbaptist.net... -a-theory-study-intelligent-falling-or-intelligent-pulling/

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Carpy that explanation is a peach.

Also, we know intelligent pulling is real because how else could two objects one heavier and one lighter fall at the exact same time? It makes sense that the heavier one would fall faster. It is clearly because God or His angels are pulling the objects to the ground at the same rate.

Priceless.

a reply to: andy06shake

I love that site.

Some of the comments from folk who think they are being serious are priceless, too.

"Unsaved trash"!

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

They acknowledged the Higgs-Boson at least, for The Lord sayeth you shall decay into mass. But then they dont acknowledge microbial disease, which is concerning.

And I wonder what the angels are doing when two black holes collide?

a reply to: igloo

Im willing to be wrong

Evidently .

a reply to: Degradation33

Okay, how is this still going on?

For it is said : "there are none so blind as those who refuse to see"

a reply to: Degradation33

As my dear departed Dad used to say "And the Lord in his infinite mercy smote them down".

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Flat Earth Dave was a guest on Pat Gray Unleashed last week. I have never been a flat Earth believer, but he had some really convincing arguments such as flight paths that I want to look into more. He has a bunch of flat Earth videos on the website I have not had time to watch yet, but want to.

This dude does a fantastic job of debunking the flat Earth nonsense without even resorting to the use of much science.

Videos are about 5 minutes a piece if anyone cares to give them a view.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

What if it is programed to show some a sphere and others a disk, for the lol

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: merka

We can prove the shape of the planet using only the sun and a stick placed into the ground around mid-day, by observing how the length of the shadow cast on the stick changes over time.

If the Earth were flat, the sun's rays would create shadows of the same length regardless of the time, day, or the stick's location.

But since the shadow's length changes over time, it indicates that the Earth's surface is curved.

But that require a stick. My solution is stick-less.

Besides, the flat earthers would claim the shadow from the stick is CGI or something.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

That is my new second favourite site for when I want a laugh - behind the unbeatable Jesus and Mo.
www.jesusandmo.net...

Some of the other 'article' titles are hilarious.
Adolf Hitler Is in Heaven? Eyewitness Testimony!
Acne – The Mark of the Devil!
Depression? It’s your lack of faith.

And best of all:
Animal with an anus that comes and goes could reveal the origins of sodomy

You couldn't make it up....oh, hang on a minute.

a reply to: merka

What's brown and sticky?









A stick.

a reply to: Degradation33

You must feel really special to take the treasured personal beliefs of others & stamp on them to exalt your own sense of self-worth. It's not just you, but I'm reminded of the comedienne who recently mocked Christ on stage while ridiculing people who didn't want to take the mandatory COVID vaccinations -just moments before she collapsed from a suspected stroke likely caused by her exposure to the vaccine.

There is a classic piece of scripture which explains this phenomenon:

" Do not be deceived: God is not to be mocked. Whatever a man sows, he will reap in return.

Galatians 6:7

Look, you need to understand something. It is not big or clever to refuse to engage seriously with people on matters of testable, repeatable empirical observation, by roping in the spiritual beliefs of those people you're supposed to be debating as though the spiritual beliefs, which merely provide some context & reasoning behind that person's general understanding of the world, as if those beliefs were the prime driving reason for the conclusions drawn from the empirical observations. It merely shows that you lack a reflective or metaphysical concept of the world & your inner self.

So you take the piss by saying that God & His angels are the cause of gravitational force, imagining that we who have spiritual beliefs & the courage to stand in the face of a massive wall of disinformation, trusting in the empirical observations & not in the hysteria that the media & captured academia have wrought over the past ninety years, ever since they lied about what Auguste Piccard saw from the stratosphere, are somehow utilising our spiritual reflections to establish a scientific prima facie case for our belief that we live on a planar world within a hyper-dimensionally constructed enclosed system of great complexity, nuance & mystery.

NO.

We are looking at the empirical evidence which can be easily proven, then asking you to decide whether the vast web of complex disinformation constructed to promote the idea that we live on a globe, when in fact all basic empirical evidence proves indisputably that we do NOT live on a globe. We live in a magnificent self-contained environment, a world, a realm created for us, and the clearly artificial workmanship it demonstrates was intended to point us to the knowledge of the reality of our Creator's hand in crafting all of this for us.

Nobody has sufficiently 'debunked' the photographic evidence of mountain peaks visible at over 275 miles distance, which on a globular Earth would be hidden behind miles of horizon drop-off. Yet, they are clearly visible from a similar elevation to those peaks being viewed in the distance. So what gives? Well, as I have repeated several times in this thread, our ability to discern astronomical observations about the universe 'out there' beyond our world, is NOT evidence that we do not live in a self-contained world which is largely a flat plane, perhaps a sort of holographic projection from a singularity somewhere embedded within the centre of this world. Just because we can see stars, galaxies, planets (etc) & measure data regarding what is out there in the Heavens, does not mean that we can ascend into the Heavens in our purpose-built rocketships (& heck, even the black ops UAPs developed by the mil-industrial complex).

You cannot possibly debunk the photographic evidence, it is plain as day. So what you need to do is look instead at all the information which is touted as being evidence of a spherical Earth, and reevaluate it on the basis of what I have explained: The Heavens can be viewed & certain data measured without invalidating the premise that we live in a unique, highly complex & specialised purpose-built artificial environment, for reasons which in part are encompassed by divine mystery, which is not accessible to the sciences except in the form of metaphysics.

Some of the spiritual beliefs which happen to have been held for thousands of years offer tidbits of data which support the hypothesis which I & others are putting forward. The hypothesis is not invalidated simply because some elements of theological reflection & textual evidence help to provide context for the REASON we find ourselves in this artificial environment. With all this in mind, contemplate whether a massive disinformation campaign has in fact been waged against all citizens of the world by the powers that be, who do not want the evidence for the artificiality of this world getting out into the minds of the public, because it would ultimately disrupt their ability to reign in power & maintain control over the workers who have been led to believe that atheism, materialism & certain interpretations of capitalism are the only ways in which one can view the world as a mentally healthy adult.

It simply isn't the case, however, and as the reality of our flat Earth environment gradually percolates through the minds of the populace at large, bigger questions of faith, God, metaphysics & such will be asked & the answers will then begin to percolate also, potentially disrupting the power & control maintained through force of deception by the rulers heretofore. They have a huge vested interest in making sure that nobody suspects that our Earth is a unique environment specially created for the development of human civilisation.

Surely by now you can accept this as a possibility?

Also, it will interest me if you are able to explain why the Rocky Mountains of Colorado are visible to infrared long range photography from a distance of some 300-500 miles, when if indeed we live on a spherical Earth, this would not be possible, even if the photographer is on a commerical flight at the time of taking the footage. You will see in the diagram contained within the following video that this is indeed the case, he has measured & calibrated his claims correctly, his evidence is further indisputable proof that the Earth os not a spherical 'planet', but rather it is a mostly flat plane, yet bearing the hallmarks of intelligent design such that it is a self-contained, hyperdimensionally constructed artificial environment, likely some sort of a projection of an holographic nature, emanating from a singularity embedded in the heart of the polar centre. The universe we perceive above our heads is visible & aspects of it can be measured by our instruments, but there is a permanently impassable boundary preventing us from ascending to the heavenly bodies. Hence the Moon landings, the ISS footage & the Felix Baumgartner stunt were all efforts contained within the massive disinformation psy-op campaign that has been waged for ninety plus years, ever since Auguste Piccard reported a flat Earth as viewed from the stratosphere.

Here's the long range infrared footage proving yet again that empirical evidence supports the flat Earth hypothesis. Again, I am not a physicist, and I do not have the benefit of the data which large advanced government bodies have, so I do not understand all the nuances of our environment - but the basics can be understood simply with reference to straightforward photographic testing.



Explain this please, or acknowledge that a huge & highly sophisticated disinformation campaign has been waged for ninety plus years.

Does anyone believe earth is flat?!
That kind of nonsense can be found online and fuels further the most wild conspiracy theories.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

You must feel really special to take the treasured personal beliefs of others & stamp on them to exalt your own sense of self-worth.

Oh there's so much more building of gold statues of myself than that.

But I'll assume this is your best one..

Also, it will interest me if you are able to explain why the Rocky Mountains of Colorado are visible to infrared long range photography from a distance of some 300-500 miles

I would question your source. I've never heard this one before, but I'll look into it... *Looks into it*

Here's what a debunking of that video said:

You’re looking from 31,000 feet. The range at which something is visible is d = sqrt(2Rh + h^2), where R is the radius of the earth and h is the altitude. R = 6371 km and h, here, is 10 km, so d = sqrt(127420+100) = 357.1 km.

But wait! As they say on late night TV, there’s more! The peaks in Colorado are 4 km high. They are visible at d = sqrt(50968 + 16) = 226 km.

So if your line of sight just grazes the earth, you can see 14,000 foot peaks 226 km beyond, for a grand total of 583 km. So seeing 500 km with infrared from a plane is meh.

How can you take a video filmed at altitude as a proof based on applying the line of sight on the surface? That's like climbing a ladder to 6 feet off the ground and concluding because you can look down on your roof you are at least 11 feet tall.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

There are multiple factors involved in how far you can see. How high you are above the ground, how far the other object is above the ground, and air temperature. If you have a cold air layer near the ground, and a hot layer above it, it creates an optical illusion that lets you see over the horizon. The longest photograph ever taken was taken at dawn, to get the light just right on the peaks on the other end, a convective layer that allowed you to see past the horizon, and taken from a high altitude on another peak.

Yip they opened a shop , the expanding earth crew are boycotting it

I would like to begin by stating that I have never been to space, Antarctica, the center of the Earth, or the North Pole. I truly cannot say, based on my limited experience, that the earth is round, or flat, or hollow. I have to take other's evidence and make all decisions from there.

With that said, mocking flat earth is no way to win this argument. Resorting to mockery means the argument is already lost. These are not stupid people, and the science/mathematics work in many ways for each the heliocentric, planar, and geocentric models.

One may think the idea is stupid, but flimsy proof will not work here. They have already heard many arguments and are still not convinced of the globe Earth. Oh, and if anyone thinks the movement isn't growing, watch some YouTube videos of Tiktoks "that will make you question reality." It is a worldview that is becoming ever more popular with our youth.

Let me give you an example from this thread:

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
Schoolchildren launch balloon. Prove Earth is round
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk...

This is not a valid argument. The fish-eyed lens they used adds a curve to all edges of the video. Therefore, it gives a false curvature to the horizon. It is simple to counter it with a video from 121,000 ft, with no fish-eyed lens, that shows a flat horizon. Someone could just as easily say: Guy launches balloon. Proves Earth is flat.

If you watched this video on YouTube, did you notice how they have put a Wikipedia "fact-check" below the video. If it is such a silly idea, why the need to tell people how false it is? Even on the link, you can see the disclaimer. Personally, I don't see how the globe model can explain this video.

A better video in an argument for the globe would be this one about maps and cartography. It shows how a map, based from the globe model, is used for navigational purposes; without fail. It doesn't touch on the subject of flat-earth, and the video is not an argument for or against a globe; it's just facts about world maps. Personally, I don't see how the flat-earth model can explain the information in this video.

See how this works? These are very small examples, but the "science" can be used by both sides to a convincing degree. If this were not true, would we ever see a thread like this one?

I will further dilute the subject, by offering the geocentric worldview. If investigated further, you will find that in some ways, this makes more "scientific" sense than the other two. It doesn't dispute the globe, just a moving earth. In this model, we really are the center of the universe. Here is a fairly clear video about it.

I have looked seriously at the flat earth model, and there are things that only this view seems to be able to explain. However, all major science points to a globe earth, and there are things that only this view seems to be able to explain. Add the geocentric model to this, and it becomes even more difficult for an average person to discern the true nature of the universe.

Without witnessing it for ourselves, we are only left with what others present to us.

This is why I say mockery will not help the globe view, and might only strengthen the "flat earth" ideology. We are becoming a "show me" type society. NASA has too many question marks, and there are many videos of their "fakery" on the internet. Many will dismiss that evidence outright. Other sources are needed, because, in my opinion, the flat-earthers are making a pretty good showing of it online. They have cool videos and memes, and who doesn't love a good conspiracy?

The other side seems to offer mostly disdain and memes about falling off the Earth. Whether that disdain is unwarranted or not isn't the issue, education is. After all, the planar argument is more in tune with the observable world.




And they have Tiktok.

I guess my point is that the dismissive attitude of some is disheartening to me. Some of us openly admit that we do not have all the answers. Half-hearted proof with a side of mockery doesn't teach anyone. If you really want to change someone's mind, be assured that their arguments are not that flimsy, and real proof is needed; across a variety of topics.

Another example from this thread:
The video merka provided about the photograph was a good source of information, but the snark in presenting it wasn't needed. Was the purpose to shame and insult, or educate?

Since I've made the decision to join this thread, I may as well add that, although it may seem flippant, my response to the topic is, "I don't know." Take me into outer space, to the edge of the dome, fly me across Antarctica, or beyond the ice wall, and I might change my mind. Until then, what do I know? Nothing.

The truth of it all will prevail in the end. For me, it's really all about the discovery. I will enjoy the search and learn all that I can from it.

Note: Much has been added since I started my reply. I look forward to seeing the new videos posted.