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The time has come, the Walrus said, to speak of [Flat Earth] - and other things...
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a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
Thank you for a good read, and whilst not something I subscribe to. Do find the topic to be of psychological interest. How and why do people follow such a notion, in such opposition to evidence?
Last year, I recorded a webinar, with ASSAP (www.ASSAP.ac.uk) with guest speaker Matt Arnold.
Matt Arnold is the editor of The Christian Parapsychologist Journal, a publication of the Churches Fellowship for Psychical and Spiritual Studies. The topic was "Paranormal and The Bible." Not only a really accessible and well-researched presentation. One of the sections spoke of how the perception of the Earth / Heavens and sub Earth is described. Along with how the model and understanding of the Earth changed over time. The striking parallel of the Flat Earth to the perspective of the early descriptors is in many ways visually similar.
The biblical passage "to the corners of the Earth", I think is being taken literally. Likewise, the qu'ran also has passages “It is He who has made for you the earth as a bed..." undercurrent religious doctrine, perhaps has kept the concept in vogue throughout time. With leaders and decision-makers, flopping back and forth based on personal views.
Here's the full presentation, typically members of ASSAP live on the night are included in a Q&A that follows. Normally that isn't uploaded when the presentation is added to social media/youtube. However the discussion was really interesting, that it included it in full for the upload.
Thank you for a good read, and whilst not something I subscribe to. Do find the topic to be of psychological interest. How and why do people follow such a notion, in such opposition to evidence?
Last year, I recorded a webinar, with ASSAP (www.ASSAP.ac.uk) with guest speaker Matt Arnold.
Matt Arnold is the editor of The Christian Parapsychologist Journal, a publication of the Churches Fellowship for Psychical and Spiritual Studies. The topic was "Paranormal and The Bible." Not only a really accessible and well-researched presentation. One of the sections spoke of how the perception of the Earth / Heavens and sub Earth is described. Along with how the model and understanding of the Earth changed over time. The striking parallel of the Flat Earth to the perspective of the early descriptors is in many ways visually similar.
The biblical passage "to the corners of the Earth", I think is being taken literally. Likewise, the qu'ran also has passages “It is He who has made for you the earth as a bed..." undercurrent religious doctrine, perhaps has kept the concept in vogue throughout time. With leaders and decision-makers, flopping back and forth based on personal views.
Here's the full presentation, typically members of ASSAP live on the night are included in a Q&A that follows. Normally that isn't uploaded when the presentation is added to social media/youtube. However the discussion was really interesting, that it included it in full for the upload.
originally posted by: DefineKristian
The striking parallel of the Flat Earth to the perspective of the early descriptors is in many ways visually similar.
Well flat earth is probably around 99% religious belief and 1% pretending it's not religious, that could be the cause for the parallel.
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7-7-2023 by merka because: (no reason given)
a reply to: merka
And after a while arguing against it is 60% ideomotor compulsion to argue and 40% masochism. Not necessarily saying that like it's a bad thing either.
The Bible (Old Testament particularly) didn't do the science part very well. The History of Middle East from 900-300 BCE it does a better job with. Before that there was enough water on this planet to cover it* and people lived 968 years.
* I actually once worked out that all the water in the oceans, lakes, ice, clouds, atmosphere, and the moon Europa (with twice the water of Earth) couldn't even cover up to Everest Base Camp. (Or something along those lines)
I am just greatful to have the wonderful gifts of math and ability to add sphereical volumes. Never tried it with the wacky disk-and-mobile-in-the-sky model.
As far as doctrine to base your earth science on, Zarthustra spoke thusly.
www.iranicaonline.org...
This is pretty much the Hebrew source.
And after a while arguing against it is 60% ideomotor compulsion to argue and 40% masochism. Not necessarily saying that like it's a bad thing either.
The Bible (Old Testament particularly) didn't do the science part very well. The History of Middle East from 900-300 BCE it does a better job with. Before that there was enough water on this planet to cover it* and people lived 968 years.
* I actually once worked out that all the water in the oceans, lakes, ice, clouds, atmosphere, and the moon Europa (with twice the water of Earth) couldn't even cover up to Everest Base Camp. (Or something along those lines)
I am just greatful to have the wonderful gifts of math and ability to add sphereical volumes. Never tried it with the wacky disk-and-mobile-in-the-sky model.
As far as doctrine to base your earth science on, Zarthustra spoke thusly.
www.iranicaonline.org...
First he created the sky (protected by Šahrewar, Av. Xšaθra Vairiia), which enclosed the world like the shell of an egg (cf. Bailey, pp. 135-36). The second creation was water (protected by Hordād, Av. Haurvatāt), which filled the lower half of the “egg.” The third creation, earth (protected by Spandārmad, Av. Spənta Ārmaiti), shaped like a flat disk, floated on the primeval waters. On it stood the fourth, fifth, and sixth creations, respectively the single plant or tree (protected by Amurdād; Av. Amərətāt), the uniquely created bull (protected by Wahman, Av. Vohu Manah), and the first man, Gayōmard (Av. Gaiiō.marətan, protected by Ohrmazd himself).
This is pretty much the Hebrew source.
edit on 8-7-2023 by Degradation33 because: (no reason given)
Well, greetings again, oh dwellers of the thread...
I see that there continues to be a great deal of criticism, and quite a lot of insults - I won't return the favour, I believe it is better for me to let the facts & evidences speak for themselves. The photographic proofs demonstrated thus far show clearly that it is impossible to consider that we live on a spherical earth which has a horizonal drop-off of 8" per mile squared curvature.
What this should indicate to anyone with an open mind & intellectual honesty, is that the whole of the facade which has been built up around Earth as a spherical planet, simply cannot be true, it is thus merely that, a facade, an edifice of mathematics & theoretical statements which when taken as a whole make for quite the convincing charade. But it is merely that - a charade.
The people with true power in this world have constructed a system over a period of at least hundreds of years, which enables them to define Truth with a capital 't', insofar as determining, according to their express will, for reasons we could speculate regarding, that despite clear evidence to the contrary, we live in a system which is just such & such, according to their wishes, an alleged 'planet' which is a spherical mass on which we all live, of certain dimensions & having certain qualities. But it is all guided by their grip on power - captured agencies, the orthodoxy of academia, a tough nut for anyone, even a mainstream scientist, to crack, in terms of presenting new ideas - it takes decades (at least) for new ideas to be accepted as favoured versus the orthodoxy.
The empirical evidence remains clear & indisputable - photographic proofs, proofs connected to air travel & the action of certain instrumentation (no need for a course correction every few minutes to avoid flying off into space??). Truths as testified by the builders of railways & canals, such that there is never taken into account any factorisation based on the supposed curvature of the Earth when constructing those engineering marvels. There are diagrams of land measurements which prove that geologically speaking, certain tracts of territory (which I will demonstrate in a later post) are entirely flat across vast distances, and as noted this is not mathematical shenanigans & useful theorising, which can be made to 'prove' anything (in combination with a massive propaganda effort sustained over 90+ years) - the truth is evidenced by empirical measurement/observation & the testimony of expert witnesses who are specialists in their fields.
Now I will also speak to those who are ridiculing my religious belief, who are stating that I believe in a flat Earth because I'm a Christian, because I'm taking literally what the Bible says - that's simply not the case. None of what I believe about a flat Earth has anything to do with my faith or my interpretation of scripture. I spent over fifteen years as a Christian believing securely that we lived on a planet which is spherical, within a heliocentric solar system, etc, etc. I always excused the Biblical narrative as non-scientific, because it is a text dealing with human morality & ethics, rather than science. I would state repeatedly in debate that it was never meant to be a textbook, and I NEVER interpreted it in that way - not even now! The ONLY reason I believe that we live in this marvellous purpose-built realm with a mostly flat planar Earth to inhabit, is because of the empirical evidence I have assessed, having reviewed it carefully & repeatedly, from myriad different sources - some of which I have endeavoured to discuss in this post, and in other posts prior to this one. But there is SO MUCH MORE that I have not included yet.
There's a video by a questionable character named Eric Dubay, entitled '200 proofs that the Earth is flat' (or something to that effect). Now I don't claim that Dubay is a decent guy, I know he apparently was accused of having some dodgy allegiances at some point in the past - but the empirical proofs he presented in that video stood independently of the ad hominem attacks (whether fair or unjust) that were levelled against him. Those proofs were what set me off exploring this topic - and I found much, much more empirical evidence in support of the flat Earth theory - all sorts of evidences.
My belief in flat Earth therefore had (& still has) absolutely nothing to do with the Bible, in & of itself. I do believe that the nature of this realm that we live in demosntrates clearly the handiwork of the Creator - and I believe that the rulers of this world KNOW what the truth is, that God exists & that He created this world. But they deny God, they do not want the people to know that there is literal evidence for the activity of a super-intelligent, loving & purposeful Divinity who created this world according to certain rules, for us. Because if people were allowed to know that, the world would change dramatically within a very short period of time.
If the rulers just threw their hands up & told the truth, a new quest would be born immediately, to learn how to know this marvellous Creator, and how to heal the world of all the evils that have been perpetrated against the world & its peoples.
Just to provide one snippet of what my spiritual belief has fed into this situation, on top of the actual evidence (IE not my only source for this truth) ~ I had a dream, a couple of years ago, in which someone showed me a silver ring with an emerald embedded into it, indicating that such a ring was intended to serve as a reminder that (& I quote) ~
It felt like this guidance was to serve as a measuring stick of mortality - no matter how powerful the human rulers, those who are denying the presentation of true knowledge about the Earth to its peoples - not even they (the rulers) can possibly know everything there is to know about the system, while living within the system. It serves to keep them humble, if they measure it aright, and that is a key part of what it means to be human, as the scripture says:
I will leave it there for now, but as noted, there will be additional evidence supplied fairly soon.
Cheers,
FITO.
I see that there continues to be a great deal of criticism, and quite a lot of insults - I won't return the favour, I believe it is better for me to let the facts & evidences speak for themselves. The photographic proofs demonstrated thus far show clearly that it is impossible to consider that we live on a spherical earth which has a horizonal drop-off of 8" per mile squared curvature.
What this should indicate to anyone with an open mind & intellectual honesty, is that the whole of the facade which has been built up around Earth as a spherical planet, simply cannot be true, it is thus merely that, a facade, an edifice of mathematics & theoretical statements which when taken as a whole make for quite the convincing charade. But it is merely that - a charade.
The people with true power in this world have constructed a system over a period of at least hundreds of years, which enables them to define Truth with a capital 't', insofar as determining, according to their express will, for reasons we could speculate regarding, that despite clear evidence to the contrary, we live in a system which is just such & such, according to their wishes, an alleged 'planet' which is a spherical mass on which we all live, of certain dimensions & having certain qualities. But it is all guided by their grip on power - captured agencies, the orthodoxy of academia, a tough nut for anyone, even a mainstream scientist, to crack, in terms of presenting new ideas - it takes decades (at least) for new ideas to be accepted as favoured versus the orthodoxy.
The empirical evidence remains clear & indisputable - photographic proofs, proofs connected to air travel & the action of certain instrumentation (no need for a course correction every few minutes to avoid flying off into space??). Truths as testified by the builders of railways & canals, such that there is never taken into account any factorisation based on the supposed curvature of the Earth when constructing those engineering marvels. There are diagrams of land measurements which prove that geologically speaking, certain tracts of territory (which I will demonstrate in a later post) are entirely flat across vast distances, and as noted this is not mathematical shenanigans & useful theorising, which can be made to 'prove' anything (in combination with a massive propaganda effort sustained over 90+ years) - the truth is evidenced by empirical measurement/observation & the testimony of expert witnesses who are specialists in their fields.
Now I will also speak to those who are ridiculing my religious belief, who are stating that I believe in a flat Earth because I'm a Christian, because I'm taking literally what the Bible says - that's simply not the case. None of what I believe about a flat Earth has anything to do with my faith or my interpretation of scripture. I spent over fifteen years as a Christian believing securely that we lived on a planet which is spherical, within a heliocentric solar system, etc, etc. I always excused the Biblical narrative as non-scientific, because it is a text dealing with human morality & ethics, rather than science. I would state repeatedly in debate that it was never meant to be a textbook, and I NEVER interpreted it in that way - not even now! The ONLY reason I believe that we live in this marvellous purpose-built realm with a mostly flat planar Earth to inhabit, is because of the empirical evidence I have assessed, having reviewed it carefully & repeatedly, from myriad different sources - some of which I have endeavoured to discuss in this post, and in other posts prior to this one. But there is SO MUCH MORE that I have not included yet.
There's a video by a questionable character named Eric Dubay, entitled '200 proofs that the Earth is flat' (or something to that effect). Now I don't claim that Dubay is a decent guy, I know he apparently was accused of having some dodgy allegiances at some point in the past - but the empirical proofs he presented in that video stood independently of the ad hominem attacks (whether fair or unjust) that were levelled against him. Those proofs were what set me off exploring this topic - and I found much, much more empirical evidence in support of the flat Earth theory - all sorts of evidences.
My belief in flat Earth therefore had (& still has) absolutely nothing to do with the Bible, in & of itself. I do believe that the nature of this realm that we live in demosntrates clearly the handiwork of the Creator - and I believe that the rulers of this world KNOW what the truth is, that God exists & that He created this world. But they deny God, they do not want the people to know that there is literal evidence for the activity of a super-intelligent, loving & purposeful Divinity who created this world according to certain rules, for us. Because if people were allowed to know that, the world would change dramatically within a very short period of time.
If the rulers just threw their hands up & told the truth, a new quest would be born immediately, to learn how to know this marvellous Creator, and how to heal the world of all the evils that have been perpetrated against the world & its peoples.
Just to provide one snippet of what my spiritual belief has fed into this situation, on top of the actual evidence (IE not my only source for this truth) ~ I had a dream, a couple of years ago, in which someone showed me a silver ring with an emerald embedded into it, indicating that such a ring was intended to serve as a reminder that (& I quote) ~
"It is impossible to fully understand the system, while you are living within the system".
It felt like this guidance was to serve as a measuring stick of mortality - no matter how powerful the human rulers, those who are denying the presentation of true knowledge about the Earth to its peoples - not even they (the rulers) can possibly know everything there is to know about the system, while living within the system. It serves to keep them humble, if they measure it aright, and that is a key part of what it means to be human, as the scripture says:
"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
"
Micah 6:8
I will leave it there for now, but as noted, there will be additional evidence supplied fairly soon.
Cheers,
FITO.
Just want to drop in this little map image of the Azimuthal Equidistant map projection (the true shape of the planar Earth) including the proper
representation of the Panama Canal Zone, with a cross-section which demonstrates that the water in the canal is constrained between two sets of locks
at a singular elevation above sea level, for a distance of some 40 miles. Water constrained within the bounds of a container always maintains its
level, and the surface simply cannot & does not bend or curve.
Yet if we are to believe that we live on a spherical Earth, then we must automatically believe that the water constrained between these two sets of lock gates not only doesn't remain level, but it in fact rises upwards in a bulge at the mid-point between the two sets of lock gates. Is that rational, when we know that water constrained between two points in a container simply rests at its particular level, at an exact elevation?
Just some more food for thought.
No sign of the 8" per mile squared law here in terms of the supposed horizonal drop-off (or the mid-point upward bulge in this case).
Yet if we are to believe that we live on a spherical Earth, then we must automatically believe that the water constrained between these two sets of lock gates not only doesn't remain level, but it in fact rises upwards in a bulge at the mid-point between the two sets of lock gates. Is that rational, when we know that water constrained between two points in a container simply rests at its particular level, at an exact elevation?
Just some more food for thought.
No sign of the 8" per mile squared law here in terms of the supposed horizonal drop-off (or the mid-point upward bulge in this case).
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It is literally beyond understanding that anyone could believe the earth is flat today. Seriously... Put down the bong, get off your couch and live
life lol. Take a flight around the world lol. Something you literally can't do no matter how hard you try to spin science math etc.
The fact there is even a thread pondering the subject is bewildering lol. I would say wake up but apparently that means it's ok to whack your kids penus off and call him s girl today lol.
On second thought, hmm I do see how these same people think the earth is flat lol.
The fact there is even a thread pondering the subject is bewildering lol. I would say wake up but apparently that means it's ok to whack your kids penus off and call him s girl today lol.
On second thought, hmm I do see how these same people think the earth is flat lol.
originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
Quick sanity check:
A non-stop flight from Perth to Singapore take ~5.5h.
A non-stop flight from Perth to Melbourne take ~3.5h.
On a globe map, the distance from Perth to Melbourne is about 70% the distance of Perth to Singapore, which roughly match the 65% shorter travel time.
On your map the distance from Perth to Melbourne is roughly TWICE the distance of Perth to Singapore which means that a flight form Perth to Melbourne should take ~10h.
Explain this.
originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
Well, greetings again, oh dwellers of the thread...
I see that there continues to be a great deal of criticism, and quite a lot of insults -
Because flat earth is easily disproven and not credible to anyone that has flown south of the equator.
One. Flat earther’s have a history of welching on bets.
YouTuber Successfully Completes Flat-Earther’s $100,000 Challenge, Flat-Earther Refuses To Pay
www.iflscience.com...
Two. Back to your long distance viewing as “evidence”.
The ability to see long distance for objects that should be over the horizon stems from refraction. And that changes dramatically from day to day. If not hour by hour.
The distance to the horizon is only three miles for and average person of height? Why for a flat earth?
Anyway. A better example is Chicago in the USA. Better in that it’s more often observed and documented. A dishonest argument used by flat eathers that conveniently ignores certain facts and historical weather data.
Skyline Skepticism: The Lake Michigan Mirage
By: Tom Coomes
www.abc57.com...
The distance from Warren Dunes state park is about 53 miles across the lake to Chicago. Someone that’s six feet tall standing on the lake shore can only see about three miles to the horizon. If you climb to the top of Tower Hill (250ft) you can see almost 20 miles to the horizon. That’s still not far enough to see Chicago, at least at ground level. The Willis (Sears) Tower is 1,450 feet to the top. Doing the same calculations you could see it from up to 65 miles away on Tower Hill.
If you doubt the power of a mirage, I can post pictures of mirages creating an image of a ship floating in the sky. Even upside down. Does that mean you believe a normal oil tanker, cargo ship, or passenger ship can float in the air?
Whit science we have a good understanding of mirages and refraction. And the conditions that causes them.
Back to Chicago and the article.
”If you climb to the top of Tower Hill (250ft) you can see almost 20 miles to the horizon. That’s still not far enough to see Chicago, at least at ground level”
If the earth was flat, why would one have to climb a 250 foot hill to just see the tops of Chicago’s tallest buildings on most days.
Notice I used the term “most days”. The article goes on to state,
www.abc57.com...
The views along the lake are always changing, along with the weather.
“I do go out and take a lot of photos of Chicago along the lake. I go to different locations on different nights. I like to compare the photos as to what's changed. Are the buildings wider, taller, shorter are there more of them? Less of them? It's always different, it's so unpredictable, I want to catch as many different views of it as I can," Nowicki said.
To those that doubt affects of refraction. The full Chicago skyline should be visible all the time if it weren't the case, barring clouds, rain or fog. However that’s not the case, it is always changing. I encourage anyone to go look for themselves.
So. No. The earth isn’t flat. It’s spherical. And there is a long list of proofs the earth is spherical. From flight paths and distances to southern destinations. To the fact there is a horizon that blocks the view of the northern star Polaris once one is far enough south of the equator.
One of the simplest and best proofs against flat earth is from this web site.
Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!
muzzleflash
THE ONLY WAY THE SUN CAN SHINE ON THE BOTTOM OF CLOUDS IS IF ITS BELOW THEM!
THE ONLY WAY IT CAN BE BELOW THEM IS IF THE EARTH IS ROUND!!
No offense. It’s not you. People with a little science and practice knowledge know the flat earth argument is usually the same BS rebranded using misdirection, half truths, ignorance, hiding of facts, and just right out lies.
Just look how flat earthers butcher the context of the Chicago sky line as “evidence”.
Another good source on long distance viewing can be found here:
Simulating Atmospheric Refraction
www.metabunk.org...
This is the discussion thread for the Metabunk Refraction Simulator (previously called the mirage simulator), which you can see at:
www.metabunk.org...
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a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
"replyJust want to drop in this little map image of the Azimuthal Equidistant map projection (the true shape of the planar Earth) including the proper representation of the Panama Canal Zone, with a cross-section which demonstrates that the water in the canal is constrained between two sets of locks at a singular elevation above sea level, for a distance of some 40 miles. Water constrained within the bounds of a container always maintains its level, and the surface simply cannot & does not bend or curve."
Why not?
Oceans and seas do.
Because, the Earth is round, and... Gravity?
"replyJust want to drop in this little map image of the Azimuthal Equidistant map projection (the true shape of the planar Earth) including the proper representation of the Panama Canal Zone, with a cross-section which demonstrates that the water in the canal is constrained between two sets of locks at a singular elevation above sea level, for a distance of some 40 miles. Water constrained within the bounds of a container always maintains its level, and the surface simply cannot & does not bend or curve."
Why not?
Oceans and seas do.
Because, the Earth is round, and... Gravity?
Those daylight west coast football games that start when its dark on the east coast make it hard for me to think the earth is flat. a reply to:
FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: CrazyFox
Zooming on something that isn't over the horizon does not bring it back over the horizon. It wasn't over the horizon to start with.
Having to climb to altitude to see a long way does not prove you can see a long way at ground level. It kind of proves that you can't.
Using an infrared lens at an altitude not high enough to see curvature does not prove the Earth isn't a sphere. This view of Earth in infra-red does.
www.jpl.nasa.gov...
Zooming on something that isn't over the horizon does not bring it back over the horizon. It wasn't over the horizon to start with.
Having to climb to altitude to see a long way does not prove you can see a long way at ground level. It kind of proves that you can't.
Using an infrared lens at an altitude not high enough to see curvature does not prove the Earth isn't a sphere. This view of Earth in infra-red does.
www.jpl.nasa.gov...
originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: CrazyFox
Zooming on something that isn't over the horizon does not bring it back over the horizon. It wasn't over the horizon to start with.
Having to climb to altitude to see a long way does not prove you can see a long way at ground level. It kind of proves that you can't.
Using an infrared lens at an altitude not high enough to see curvature does not prove the Earth isn't a sphere. This view of Earth in infra-red does.
www.jpl.nasa.gov...
Just being devil's advocate here; in regards to pictures of earth being proof of a globe I mean c'mon. That would be so easy to fake. Any picture can be fake. Look at Kubrick's 2001, great film, not real. 1968. For the record, I'm not saying he did the moon landing or that the earth is flat, just that a photograph isn't proof by any means
edit on 26-7-2023 by Tomkat because: Realized I need formatting skills
originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: CrazyFox
Zooming on something that isn't over the horizon does not bring it back over the horizon. It wasn't over the horizon to start with.
Having to climb to altitude to see a long way does not prove you can see a long way at ground level. It kind of proves that you can't.
Using an infrared lens at an altitude not high enough to see curvature does not prove the Earth isn't a sphere. This view of Earth in infra-red does.
www.jpl.nasa.gov...
Well...
Flat earthers keep INSISTING on posting footage proving the curvature of the Earth.
originally posted by: Tomkat
Just being devil's advocate here; in regards to pictures of earth being proof of a globe I mean c'mon. That would be so easy to fake. Any picture can be fake. Look at Kubrick's 2001, great film, not real. 1968. For the record, I'm not saying he did the moon landing or that the earth is flat, just that a photograph isn't proof by any means
True, but it becomes a matter of so much evidence it's proven over and over and over again.
Flat earth belief is like comparing a photo of a building vs a 2h video of the same building. The flat earther will look at the photo and say "You cant prove that is real! I can prove it's fake and there is no interior, look:" *flips the foto over showing nothing on the back of the photo*
Meanwhile the 2h video is someone going into the building, showing every room, showing drone footage of it from the air and walking out again to take the photo the flat earther use as proof the building is fake.
Coincidentally, take a look at this regarding photos:
edit on 26-7-2023 by merka because: (no reason given)
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo
Did you prove curvature yet
Zooming in on an object invisible until zoomed in on after it passed the visible eye horizon brought back into sight is proof there is no curved horizon.
Legally curvature has not been proven
Heliosexuals embracing ignorance since Columbus
tasty that Crow is yes
So do we?
Did you prove curvature yet
Zooming in on an object invisible until zoomed in on after it passed the visible eye horizon brought back into sight is proof there is no curved horizon.
Legally curvature has not been proven
Heliosexuals embracing ignorance since Columbus
tasty that Crow is yes
So do we?
Are they?
Do we have a real photo of the entire Planet Earth? Is NASA concerned of its shape?
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originally posted by: CrazyFox
Posting videos of a training environment does not prove that the ISS is not in space.
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo
Did you prove curvature yet
Have you proved the absence of it?
Zooming in on an object invisible until zoomed in on after it passed the visible eye horizon brought back into sight is proof there is no curved horizon.
Except that has never happened.
Legally curvature has not been proven
Heliosexuals embracing ignorance since Columbus
It doesn't have to proven in a court of law. Curvature is not a matter of legality, it's a matter of provable fact. The facts prove it is there. Prove it isn't.
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given)
For the last year the heliosexuals have been relentlessly making content trying to discourage Derek and I from creating content around the truth, its time to give them a taste of their own medicine.
originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: CrazyFox
What are "Heliosexuals"?
edit on 2023/8/6 by CrazyFox because: 
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo
On a tablet so posting is tricky
You mave have missed the complete post
Legally curvature has not been proven
Heliosexuals embracing ignorance since Columbus
tasty that Crow is yes
So do we?
On a tablet so posting is tricky
You mave have missed the complete post
Legally curvature has not been proven
Heliosexuals embracing ignorance since Columbus
tasty that Crow is yes
So do we?
Are they?
Do we have a real photo of the entire Planet Earth? Is NASA concerned of its shape?
As a matter of provable fact where are the proofs?
I will wait but I will not hold my breath
