Drag shows and transgendered.

Hi all,

This has been a big topic for a year or more.
As we celebrate pride month (or not) I have been thinking on why this has become an issue. My industry is live performance. I've met too many concert pianists, film actors, rock stars, etc. to say I have an issue with anyone's lifestyle.

What kind of hit me right now is that these subjects are deemed NSFW. NSFW, being an abbreviation of "Not safe for work," meaning these are either not safe to talk about or safe to look up (I'm not sure- I work in an industry that I had to phone my wife, to tell her I looked up divorce papers for a play I was working on- in case targeted ads popped up at home).

So we have a hot topic with these subjects, in schools currently. They are NSFW, for the adult population, but are being booked for the youth population. It's a confusing time for sure.

My wife and I had the pleasure to get asked to have a photo (selfie) taken with one of our graduating (they/them) trans students today, on the last day of finals.

My wife's bridesman (I also had a grooms lady) did (or still does) drag.

I think the overall conversation is being maliciously steered outside of acceptance, and on to activism.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme

I think the overall conversation is being maliciously steered outside of acceptance, and on to activism.

On what side are you suggesting activism? If we go back 10 years with my kids going through lower grades up to finishing college and the other will be 3rd year in college, LBGTQ was a zero issue their whole school years. Then in the last two years or so, something changed, and we have seen an attack in many areas from the progressive radical left demanding XYZ will be accepted by everyone no matter what. Force your pronouns, some made up yesterday, and force physical attacks on females in spots, privacy, and actual identity. Forced sexualization within lower grades to include gay porn in the library and a large number of sexualizations pushed as anything you want is OK without these kids even knowing the basics at first. I don't know about others, but I feel the idea of a butt plug is not what should be taught first, am I wrong...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme

I think the overall conversation is being maliciously steered outside of acceptance, and on to activism.

On what side are you suggesting activism? If we go back 10 years with my kids going through lower grades up to finishing college and the other will be 3rd year in college, LBGTQ was a zero issue their whole school years. Then in the last two years or so, something changed, and we have seen an attack in many areas from the progressive radical left demanding XYZ will be accepted by everyone no matter what. Force your pronouns, some made up yesterday, and force physical attacks on females in spots, privacy, and actual identity. Forced sexualization within lower grades to include gay porn in the library and a large number of sexualizations pushed as anything you want is OK without these kids even knowing the basics at first. I don't know about others, but I feel the idea of a butt plug is not what should be taught first, am I wrong...

I've known your posts for a long time.
With respect you answered your own question your own way.
I have no need to answer what you asked.

You have already done so.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme

I've known your posts for a long time.
With respect you answered your own question your own way.
I have no need to answer what you asked.

You have already done so.

What I find interesting is we have this massive push and people kind of took it and then they still pushed upping the ante each time as in well you now accept that so you must now accept this logic. It seemed like an endless "what about this now" 100 pronouns to infinity anyone?

Then people finally said WTF! I think it really started with women's sports and of course lower grades in schools. Then it has turned into a "no we do not want it in our face, schools or bathrooms" and we see Bud Lite and other scenarios where people are now talking with their money.

The interesting part is the pushback is now being called more of an aggression than a reaction to aggression. geez

a reply to: Xtrozero

I don't know about others, but I feel the idea of a butt plug is not what should be taught first, am I wrong...

Stating the obvious is futile because everyone knows the answer.

Ask the harder question of why is this suddenly being added to the kaos?

Why are they targeting our children trying to confuse them?

Obviously they want to seperate the children from their parents.

So they can have total control of everything.

I don't care why some dude wants to wear a dress and makeup. In fact, I really couldn't care less. But I do want to know why that dude insists on an audience of 5 year olds.

It started with, "What we do in our bedroom is our business." I agreed with that. But in no time at all what you did in your bedroom went parading down the middle of main street in chaps with the a$$ cut out. What happened to the "in your bedroom" part? It seems like there was an agenda right from the very start.

Then it was, "This is who I am. Why cant you just accept me for who I am?" That evolved very quickly to, "As soon as I put on a dress - I become a woman." NO. You become a delusional male with gender dysphoria. Why should I accept you for who you claim to be when you clearly could not accept yourself in your own skin?

I don't think most people could really care less about you doing you. The problem most people have is A) when you force it on the general public and demand we participate in your delusion. Maybe I don't want to be an enabler to your delusion today. What about my rights? And B) when you target children. You don't need to be anywhere near someone else's 5 year old child - for any reason. Anyone who even thinks about discussing any sexual topic with a 5 year old should be locked up immediately.

5 year olds have an amazing and beautiful quality called innocence. It can be wonderous to witness. And it is easily manipulated into all manner of perverse manifestations. Once sullied, innocence is driven out and never returns. This is a crime against childhood. It used to be called contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Now it is celebrated, albeit secretly. We cant have the parents finding out, now can we?

originally posted by: Saloon

Why are they targeting our children trying to confuse them?

Obviously they want to seperate the children from their parents.

So they can have total control of everything.

Not to just confuse, but to normalize these ideas in kids. As I said earlier there is a " well you now accept that so you must now accept this"...where do you think that ends up?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

I guess, the reson is the same why kids are draged to church. some people just like to indoctrinate the vulnerable. The diffrence is the ideology being pushed.

An inclusive one where sexuality is not a sin.

those that grew up being indoctrinated by one that is intolerant and very restrictive about sexuality obviously have a problem with that...

I think it's the shame associated trough indoctrination that destroys innocence not sexuality by itself.

It's a big common denominator amongst all religions, sex is bad. My conspiracy mind tells me that when all media tell the same, it's a lie.

I see your point of indoctrinating kids with stupid ideologies not based in reality!

I'm not fully on board of applying the same techniques to break old programming, but the old has to go and it all starts down there....

The control grid is very old, and very etheric

a reply to: Xtrozero

You'd be surprised how easy it is for kids to adapt new ideas without any further issues, it's mostly adults that struggle psychologically with ideas that question their solidified worldview.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme
“We’re not celebrating queer month” you are. Stop pushing your garbage on people and expecting them to agree with you. Know your demographic to whom you’re talking to, most of us don’t give a #.

originally posted by: Terpene

You'd be surprised how easy it is for kids to adapt new ideas without any further issues, it's mostly adults that struggle psychologically with ideas that question their solidified worldview.

There is a time and place for ALL ideas... Are you saying a 4th grader should experience ALL ideas because they are easier to adapt to new ones?

How about pedophilia, would young children adapt to that idea easily too? I'm saying because they are an open book we need to be very careful...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Xtrozero

You'd be surprised how easy it is for kids to adapt new ideas without any further issues, it's mostly adults that struggle psychologically with ideas that question their solidified worldview.

Key words being “kids”, Who are you? The adult in the room with reason and common sense?

a reply to: mtnshredder

Stop pushing your garbage on people and expecting them to agree with you. Know your demographic to whom you’re talking to, most of us don’t give a #.

This is not your little ideological bubble, as much as you wish that.
It's a public discussion board, if you can't deal with differing opinions maybe look for a suited echochamber on discord or redit.
OP isn't totally on board either, me thinks. But some are so triggered they can't even read the nuances...

stop trying to shut up others invoking populism!

a reply to: Xtrozero

Not to just confuse, but to normalize these ideas in kids. As I said earlier there is a " well you now accept that so you must now accept this"...where do you think that ends up?

Sooner more than later to a place not compatible with life

a reply to: Xtrozero

Sure pedophilia is an issue, doesn't stop them from going to church either.
It's not about adults using kids to satisfy their needs, that always happens behind closed doors and most cases are domestic. It's a straw man argument.

it's about kids exploring their own sexuality, without shame or hush-hush, that includes adults talking about theirs without shame and hush-hush.
I guess that is not so simple if one has been indoctrinated to the contrary.

Education and open discourse is the best detriment against sexual violence, sex ed on minors always includes inappropriate behaviors by adults towards them.
I see only one reason someone doesn't want them to learn about such things...

Primary issue is sexualization and nudity being exposed to prepubescent children

After puberty the problem is hiding it from parents and nudity

Hide things from parents and bad things will happen most every one with kids will literally and happily die for there children this is not a negotiation it's a fair warning from parents if you exclude us it won't end well

Nudity if a strip club let's anyone under 18 in what happens ... So either 1 we change the rules and decide a new age for viewing pornography or 2 any place that lets minors see nudity be charged accordingly with the current laws being lbgtq is not a exception to the laws

I have no problem with sex ed including sexual behavior outside man/woman relations just not sexualized we don't need to explain kink and fetish to what we legally call children just prepare them for the real world

a reply to: Terpene

I think children should be allowed to be children for as
long as they can. It's an innocent magical time that ends
to soon.

A childs body is not meant for sex. So to burden a childs mind
with sex can only serve to rob them of a sacred time in life.

Some people are completely void of what is and isn't good mental
health standards for children. Why would anyone even think of
ruinning a childs life with sex? That would be in a way murder.

So I say get a life and leave the kids alone.

And before anyone hurts a child do the right thing instead.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Vroomfondel

I guess, the reson is the same why kids are draged to church. some people just like to indoctrinate the vulnerable. The diffrence is the ideology being pushed.

An inclusive one where sexuality is not a sin.

those that grew up being indoctrinated by one that is intolerant and very restrictive about sexuality obviously have a problem with that...

I think it's the shame associated trough indoctrination that destroys innocence not sexuality by itself.

It's a big common denominator amongst all religions, sex is bad. My conspiracy mind tells me that when all media tell the same, it's a lie.

I see your point of indoctrinating kids with stupid ideologies not based in reality!

I'm not fully on board of applying the same techniques to break old programming, but the old has to go and it all starts down there....

The control grid is very old, and very etheric

I agree that religion is also indoctrination. Plus, just because people go to church doesn't stop them from being private perverts.
That said, I don't think sex is natural for kids.
Yes they experiment on themselves and play doctor with others but this is still innocent, it's still playing and exploring, it's not sex.
Most importantly it happens without adults around.

What I am trying to say is that I am the opposite of religious and still I find involving children in adult sex 100% wrong.
Religious folk call it a sin, fine, it works.

Leave the kids alone, there is no excuse, reasoning or theorising to make any of this ok.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

Hi, this topic interests me because it touches on so many people pro and con, societal inclusivity or bias, and polarized politics on so many levels, so it's important to discuss.

Who or what faction do you think is maliciously steering drag shows outside of acceptance? Certainly not the adult entertainment industry or corporate entities. Is it really the messenger or the message, that being diversity and tolerance. Or is it that transgendered people are experiencing something that some consider a mental fantasy where only psychology and drugs are the answer, all the while the scientific community keep finding evidence of it stemming from physical and chemical variances? And drag shows for adults are X rated, whereas drag storytellers read books on diversity and inclusion and is maybe PG rated, from what I've seen. So, what can it be? Must be the message not the messenger.

A new concept that seems logical is how some politicians create animus within existing minority groups of people with bias and intolerance and 'give the people what they want' that being a leader that they think agrees with their values, when the politician in reality is using that as a means to acquire votes for their own selfish need for power. It's never for you.

It seems to me newly formed activist groups (not all are parents) are using children as an excuse to protest their intolerance and false beliefs against members of the LGBTQ community. They burn pride flags on school property and show up at schools calling everyone groomers and pedophiles whenever a book or video about diversity and inclusion for LGBTQ is introduced at school. These materials at elementary schools that I've looked at don't include sexual content, however starting in middle school (Gr. 7 & 8), where most students are experiencing puberty, more sexually age appropriate information can be referenced with parents approval. How better to protect your children by educating them on the facts of life as well as teaching how to keep safe from groomers or worse, why keep them uneducated and vulnerable to harm?

Considering this site has the greater number of Americans, this steering from acceptance to activism seems directly related to the political division. I think they need to steer themselves in a completely different direction and rethink their future and the future for their children because what they are doing now just doesn't work for anyone.

Within these divisions there still exists, to me, immortality and inequality such as is the case where the Southern Baptist affiliations ostracized churches with female pastors after voting to ban female pastors.

Maybe this is where it all stems from, the belief that holding on to backward ways of doing things is the best way because one has been indoctrinated to believe it to be. As society progresses and changes we all need at the very least to try to understand others' experiences and not give in to false beliefs or fear-based propaganda from the usual sources.

a reply to: quintessentone

Maybe this is where it all stems from, the belief that holding on to backward ways of doing things is the best way because one has been indoctrinated to believe it to be. As society progresses and changes we all need at the very least to try to understand others' experiences and not give in to false beliefs or fear-based propaganda from the usual sources.

We were doing this and all was just peachy.
Then Drag Queens started showing up at school to teach P.E.
And the schools started claiming that our kids were their
kids or all of our kids by people to ugly to have kids.

And that's likely a good thing.