UK Official Covid Vaccine Report More Vaxxed Dying of Delta Than Unvaxxed

a reply to: fliceExactly,I told him but he knows best.

originally posted by: ScepticScot


Or vaccinated are far less likely to even get symptoms so don't get tested.

That doesn't take into account the relative demographic of who has been vaccinated which would suggest the vaccine is even more effective.

What is not taken into account and really skews any percentages is the vast majority that do not see a doctor since they have very minor systems. The only real hard number we can most likely say is correct is the number of deaths.

We could say only 100 people vacced were admitted and 50 died and so if you are vacced you have a 50% of dying when the reality might be 50 million actually got the vaccine and either didn't get it or showed little or no symptoms.

originally posted by: dragonridr
This is funny you posted evidence the vaccine works and don't even realize it. Do you know what delta cases are? This is when someone has to be admitted to the hospital because of Covid.

On your chart here we have 53,822 admitted who were not vaccinated. counting people that received 1 or 2 doses our total is 13,715. Here's the other part that tells you it's working look at the age groups of unvaccinated emergency room visits. In the high-risk group over 50, there were 976 cases. This is because the UK has put a major effort into vaccinating over 50. So we have 52,846 under 50 with no vacs hospitalized.

You're also misreading the deaths there were 117 read the print they excluded people that received the vaccine on hospital admission, in other words, they already had the virus when they got the shot. so 50 of the 117 had gotten the vaccine 19 of those only 1 dose. So unvaccinated was 44 people. All 50 that died with covid and received shot were over 50 in the high-risk age group. Now if they are in the emergency room and losing the fight to covid they are given shots of the vaccine in some cases your big clue is out of the 50 that got 2 shots 19 had gotten shots before hospitalization because they removed the ones that received shots on admission.

And go into the report... there you will see all the variant names. Delta.. being one of them.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04
Never mind the fact that they no longer record the vaccinated testing positive unless they end up in hospital.
Anyone would think that they are trying to make the vaccine look more successful than it really is.
Why move the goalposts halfway through counting?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

Given that the vaxxed population includes about 98% of all seniors, we're talking about a group that's just plain more likely to die regardless of their covid status.

It's silly to compare a group that mostly consists of children and teenagers to one that includes the oldest and most vulnerable, and to expect consistent data.

Very true, you are comparing one group that is 50+ to another that is 49 and below.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Realtruth

so vaxed people have a 4 times higher chance to die if they get delta

Remember that Correlation does not imply Causation. It is the hardest thing to figure out and what is mostly screwed up.

You know what? This comment is really stupid.

All of a sudden, healthy young teenagers are dying from heart attacks, and getting myocarditis. The common thing amongst them all is that they were all “fully vaccinated.” It is absolutely idiotic to say that it’s hard to figure out what caused those issues.

BA had 4 pilots die in the space of a week. They were all completely healthy. Pilots are some of the most medically monitored people on the planet. All four had recently been “fully vaccinated.” It is absolutely idiotic to say it’s hard to figure out what caused their deaths.

I am so sick of you and others like you and your idiotic brainwashed comments. Why in the world are you shilling for the drug companies and corrupt government? Seriously- why??

Looking forward to your answers, because I truly don’t understand. You are either brainwashed, or stupid. To keep making comments like yours in the face of all of the evidence implies brainwashing or retardation.

You might want to reading the thread on the pilots before insulting others.

One pilot had been longterm ill and another died in an accident.

The brainwashed are those pushing idiotic conspiracy theorues they watched on bitchute or similar.

Nope. Your comments are absolutely indicative of someone either brainwashed/controlled, or intellectually impaired. That’s not an insult; not everyone has the same level of intelligence, and some are impaired through no fault of their own. Nature.

Why are you so trusting of big pharma, of government, and the media? All have been caught many times lying to and harming the population. Why in the world do you think they have suddenly turned over a new leaf and are no longer corrupted and mired in self-interest and profit?

If you had either the evidence or the ability to argue your point you would.

Your ad homiens just reflect on you, no one else

I don’t think ad hominem means what you think it means.

As far as evidence, I won’t bother with you. There is so much evidence for everything I’ve said that it would take me days to post it. And as you have proved time and time again, even if the evidence is from your approved sources, you will find an idiotic thing to say for why it’s not valid. You will only accept evidence that says what you want it to say.

Furthermore, how about answering the questions? You didn’t answer them in the other thread and you didn’t answer them here.

Why do you trust big pharma and government and media all of a sudden? They have all been caught time and time again, knowingly harming and lying to all of us. Why do you to think that now they have turned over a new leaf?

Why are you ok with this “vaccine” rollout using the population as an open air experiment? A Moderna spokesperson, on a phone call, admitted that every person who takes these shots are part of the trials for these drugs. He also admitted that they (Moderna) had seen many many cases of Guillian-Barre Syndrome as a result of their drug, including paralysis, and many other injuries. Why are you ok with that? He also stated that the “vaccine” does not prevent a person from getting or giving the covid-19 virus, but only possibly lessens the symptoms of one gets it. Why are you ok with that?

And why are you ok that they haven’t halted the trials, even though in just six months there have been more deaths from this “vaccine” than all other vaccines combined since 1990? Why are you ok with that?

And considering the above, why are you ok with the mad push to get everyone inoculated, even though 99% of people who get this virus survive with zero problems?

Do you not think it strange that some states are offering tickets to a million dollar lottery drawing if they take the shots? Free food, free beer, free lap dances, free airline tickets...do you seriously not raise an eyebrow at that?

One month before the “pandemic” hit, Fauci sent MRNA vaccine candidates to a Wuhan-linked lab doctor. Does that not make you raise an eyebrow?

Does it not bother you that those in government who are pushing these “vaccines” all have major financial stakes in the drug companies who are making these “vaccines?” They stand to profit hugely, the more shots that are given. Why doesn’t that bother you?

Shock me and answer these questions. These are basic questions that any free and logically-thinking person needs to ask themselves. If you can’t answer these, then clearly your opinions are those of a brainwashed drone, and should be disregarded by anyone with a clear head.

You can ignore the questions, but it doesn’t change that I’ve asked them (again), and everyone will see that you’ve once again pretended not to read them.

“Say It Ain’t Sooowhoaaowhoa” Weezer

Also my shocked face.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Realtruth
a reply to: ScepticScot


so quick math:

27.192 delta cases with vax, 68 deaths, 0.25% death rate

53.822 delta cases non vaxed, 38 deaths, 0.07% death rate


so vaxed people have a 4 times higher chance to die if they get delta

Ah, but you're forgetting that most of the unvaxxed are young and healthy, while the vaxxed include the oldest and most vulnerable. So it is to be expected that they have a higher mortality rate.

So the “vaccine” isn’t effective?

The numbers suggest it is very effective.

Sorry if you are struggling to follow that.

Considering the number of breakthrough cases that have been reported, even WITH the cycle threshold turned down (not a conspiracy theory but official information), and the number of people who have died from covid-19 even though they had all their shots, suggests that it’s not effective.

Furthermore, mask and socialism distancing guidelines are still in effect. Why do “unvaccinated” people need to wear masks, if they are with “vaccinated” individuals? Does the vaccine not protect you? Seems it does not.

Only if you don't understand the numbers.

A much higher % of the population has been vaccinated, therefore there should be far more serious cases amongst the vaccinated.

The fact there isn't shows it is working.

This is absolute idiotic logic.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: ScepticScot

That's from AP.

For future reference...

AP uses FB fact checking (Politifact)...which uses FactCheck.org...which, in turn, is funded (massively) by Johnson & Johnson Pharmaceutical through 'The Robert Woods Johnson Foundation'...and is vetted by the International Fact-Checking Network (IFCN).

IFCN was created by Poynter, a self-proclaimed journalism nonprofit organization almost completely funded by Pierre Omidyar, a major donor to Democrat organizations and candidates, who's chief acolyte (Joelle Gamble) is now Joe Biden's Senior Economic Advisor.

IFCN signs off on ALL China Virus-related fact-checking from 4 of the 5 major fact checking organizations.

A brief look at CDC funding sources should also speak volumes about who controls the "vaccination" narrative...

Nothing Covid-related should be trusted from AP fact-checking.
It is completely under Big Pharma's and the Biden administration's control.

Load of horse#. AP is Associated Press. They've been doing their own fact checking since 1846. IFCN doesn't conduct any fact checking and can't sign anything off as it's not an eligible signatory.

IFCN was only founded in 2015 and provide no funding or resources to AP. They stole their 'Code of Principles ' AP's 'News Values'.

AP get nearly all their funding from pretty much every media company in the world purchasing liscences for their copy and video rights to publish/republish. There's no links to facebook, big pharma or the democrats.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: ScepticScot

That's from AP.

For future reference...

AP uses FB fact checking (Politifact)...which uses FactCheck.org...which, in turn, is funded (massively) by Johnson & Johnson Pharmaceutical through 'The Robert Woods Johnson Foundation'...and is vetted by the International Fact-Checking Network (IFCN).

IFCN was created by Poynter, a self-proclaimed journalism nonprofit organization almost completely funded by Pierre Omidyar, a major donor to Democrat organizations and candidates, who's chief acolyte (Joelle Gamble) is now Joe Biden's Senior Economic Advisor.

IFCN signs off on ALL China Virus-related fact-checking from 4 of the 5 major fact checking organizations.

A brief look at CDC funding sources should also speak volumes about who controls the "vaccination" narrative...

Nothing Covid-related should be trusted from AP fact-checking.
It is completely under Big Pharma's and the Biden administration's control.

The source in your thread was Conservative playlist.

Are they an unbiased source?

It doesn’t matter, Einstein. The source doesn’t change who the financial
backers are of these “fact-checking” organizations. You can go discover it for yourself.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Realtruth
a reply to: ScepticScot


so quick math:

27.192 delta cases with vax, 68 deaths, 0.25% death rate

53.822 delta cases non vaxed, 38 deaths, 0.07% death rate


so vaxed people have a 4 times higher chance to die if they get delta

Ah, but you're forgetting that most of the unvaxxed are young and healthy, while the vaxxed include the oldest and most vulnerable. So it is to be expected that they have a higher mortality rate.

So the “vaccine” isn’t effective?

Why would you think that?

Deaths from fully vaccinated 50 deaths: 50
21 days since first jab: 17
Unvax deaths: 38

As you can see the SMALLEST group, the unvax group, has significantly higher numbers of death than they should. 100% clear the vax is very effective.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Realtruth
a reply to: ScepticScot


so quick math:

27.192 delta cases with vax, 68 deaths, 0.25% death rate

53.822 delta cases non vaxed, 38 deaths, 0.07% death rate


so vaxed people have a 4 times higher chance to die if they get delta

Ah, but you're forgetting that most of the unvaxxed are young and healthy, while the vaxxed include the oldest and most vulnerable. So it is to be expected that they have a higher mortality rate.

So the “vaccine” isn’t effective?

The numbers suggest it is very effective.

Sorry if you are struggling to follow that.

Considering the number of breakthrough cases that have been reported, even WITH the cycle threshold turned down (not a conspiracy theory but official information), and the number of people who have died from covid-19 even though they had all their shots, suggests that it’s not effective.

Furthermore, mask and socialism distancing guidelines are still in effect. Why do “unvaccinated” people need to wear masks, if they are with “vaccinated” individuals? Does the vaccine not protect you? Seems it does not.

Only if you don't understand the numbers.

A much higher % of the population has been vaccinated, therefore there should be far more serious cases amongst the vaccinated.

The fact there isn't shows it is working.

This is absolute idiotic logic.

I actually agree with you they have a weird reverse logic going on here.

a reply to: Realtruth

Like UK, 90% of new China Virus cases in Israel are Delta variant...so this is germane:

Half of Adults Infected in Latest COVID-19 Outbreak Were Fully Vaccinated: Israeli Official

About 90 percent of new COVID-19 infections in Israel were caused by the CCP virus’s Delta variant, officials said, while adding that about half of the adults infected in the recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.

truthbasedmedia.com...

If accurate...being "vaccinated" does absolutely nothing to protect one from being infected.

originally posted by: glen200376
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
Never mind the fact that they no longer record the vaccinated testing positive unless they end up in hospital.
Anyone would think that they are trying to make the vaccine look more successful than it really is.
Why move the goalposts halfway through counting?

This is about one variant and if the vax protects against it. OP said there are more deaths, so that means more likely to die. It's a false assertion, they are LESS likely to die.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

Oh, like with the covid deaths? Like how when someone had ever tested positive for covid-19, or had simply been exposed and it was assumed they had covid even though no test was done, but died of something else like a car accident or cancer or a lighting strike, the cause of death was pronounced as from covid-19?

What you suggest above is what is called Confounding variables that will destroy the integrity of any data collected. So on one side we don't really know how many people actually got COVID and on the other we really do not know how many people actually died from COVID induced conditions. We also have suspicions that hospitals were very free with calling something COVID since they got fed money from it, so on and so forth.

a reply to: IAMTAT

It seems very protective against sending you to the hospital or grave ... being infected I have no idea.

a reply to: bastion

Your right AP gets its money by offering its services to every news room on the planet. They provide content through their journalists and photographers to their subscribers. The only major competition they have is Reuters.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Realtruth
a reply to: ScepticScot


so quick math:

27.192 delta cases with vax, 68 deaths, 0.25% death rate

53.822 delta cases non vaxed, 38 deaths, 0.07% death rate


so vaxed people have a 4 times higher chance to die if they get delta

Ah, but you're forgetting that most of the unvaxxed are young and healthy, while the vaxxed include the oldest and most vulnerable. So it is to be expected that they have a higher mortality rate.

So the “vaccine” isn’t effective?

The numbers suggest it is very effective.

Sorry if you are struggling to follow that.

Considering the number of breakthrough cases that have been reported, even WITH the cycle threshold turned down (not a conspiracy theory but official information), and the number of people who have died from covid-19 even though they had all their shots, suggests that it’s not effective.

Furthermore, mask and socialism distancing guidelines are still in effect. Why do “unvaccinated” people need to wear masks, if they are with “vaccinated” individuals? Does the vaccine not protect you? Seems it does not.

Only if you don't understand the numbers.

A much higher % of the population has been vaccinated, therefore there should be far more serious cases amongst the vaccinated.

The fact there isn't shows it is working.

This is absolute idiotic logic.

I actually agree with you they have a weird reverse logic going on here.

You would agree that the same >50 group that saw vastly higher numbers of covid deaths should see vastly higher numbers of deaths from this variant, correct?

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Realtruth

Like UK, 90% of new China Virus cases in Israel are Delta variant...so this is germane:

Half of Adults Infected in Latest COVID-19 Outbreak Were Fully Vaccinated: Israeli Official

About 90 percent of new COVID-19 infections in Israel were caused by the CCP virus’s Delta variant, officials said, while adding that about half of the adults infected in the recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.

truthbasedmedia.com...

If accurate...being "vaccinated" does absolutely nothing to protect one from being infected.

But cognitive dissonance prevents a tired population from seeing that..... I don't care which political party you belong to, if you can't see the problem here, you are blind.

So now we have:

- Kids and teens risk myocarditis
- Grown-ups... well, 50 / 50 chance you will get infected by Delta.
- Delta is rising to be the most common variant amongst infected ALL OVER THE PLACE.

What is worse, they have already spotted a Delta variant in India, which they named Delta +

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: dragonridr

I noticed that you didn’t answer any of my questions in the other thread. Not surprised.

I did your not paying attention as you did with this report. You didn't understand what you were reading in the future you might want to read the reports before you tell people what it says.

You absolutely did not reply to my post in the other thread where I asked you why you trust the drug companies and government and media. I asked why you are ok with the fact that in the first six months of this “vaccine,” the deaths so far have well exceeded the number of deaths from all vaccines combined, since 1990. I asked you several other questions that you also did not answer.

Oh but I did you just didn't pay attention why am I not surprised? Here I will make it easy for you what I said was because I read the data involved, You have proven here you do not. here ya go

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As I said I answered your question so now it's your turn Why do you choose to believe anything an anti vax website tells you without even doing any research?

2nd question Why do you hate science and the advancements we make?

I haven’t visited a single anti-vax website. I don’t even know where I would find one. What do I do, just google “anti-vax website” and that will take me to one? My numbers are based off of reports from the CDC and the drug companies and hospitals themselves. Good GOD you have such incredible blinders on.

I don’t hate science or its advancements. What I do hate is when people and agencies rush out scientific experiments on the population at large before the safety and efficacy has been properly tested.