We are being played

originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: MimiSia

The misconception I refer to is ... Blaming all the ills that plague Humanity as the work of one group of people.

For once I agree with you

a reply to: JUhrman

Artispoet means Illuminati are actually this new scam cult on internet that asks you to buy a pamphlet and a necklace to become a healer of the world, because he is a part of it.

artistpoet does not mean what you wrote

a reply to: JUhrman

Thank you for saying so ...

originally posted by: JUhrman
I love how people on this site talk like there really is an organized group of people governing the world in secret from a level above existing transnational organization.

This has been the #1 fantasy of conspiracy theorists since forever.

It's really a dumb conspiracy that actually remove any responsibility from the real bad guys out there; corrupt politicians and corporate moguls.

I'm sure they are super happy crazy people blame "the NWO" or the "the illuminati" instead of them.

It never occurred to you guys that the most used manipulation tactics in the history of politics is to invent a nebulous enemy and blame everything on it.

Looks like people never learn

I think you might be on to something. I am so brainwashed By this globalist elite that i actually think that we the people could better stand against unequality and the power of the few if world was more United. I think that corporations and those lobbying them in the governments wouldn't like anything more than see us more divided. that way there would allways be those who they can abuse and use for their richening. I know this is controversial conspiracy but i think the "elite" is playing conspiracy nuts to drive their own agenda, witch is not New World Order but divided fractions who are easy to control and contain...

Once you accept that you are inside a Game of Thrones, and not even really at pawn level, it's kind of freeing.

What I mean by that is, my mind is free now, from all of the programming I'd been fed up until that point. Liberal vs conservative, Democrat vs Republican, Christian vs Atheist, consumerism and wage slavery....

I see the game for what it is, and understand I can't affect the outcome. But I can protect myself and my sanity.

I try and let empathy and compassion guide my thinking and my actions, and hope to do so for the rest of whatever time is left.

In that respect, I've already won my own game.

I believe that's what all of the 19,258,251
posts on ATS are about.

Of course there are secret cabals
meeting in secret about secret agendas.
luckily for us they are a greedy bunch of back stabbing
of SOB's. Ones that'll throw their grandmother under a bus
to save their own skin.

So while there is a conspiracy,
there is so much infighting and jockeying for position
that they screw up. A lot in fact. And that's why we are here
to catch them when they accidentally rear their ugly faces and
agendas.

What ever come of the Operation Vampire Killer 2000 plan. Cops against the NWO?

I think I first seen an actually printed copy of it once back in the day around 1999.

originally posted by: Skorpy
What ever come of the Operation Vampire Killer 2000 plan. Cops against the NWO?

More conspiracy BS maybe?

a reply to: JUhrman

ok officially you are the one sole purpose me writing this who pushed me into combining my little theories.. Darn no i really never wanted to have it outlined like this.. but lets say my "illuminati or NWO" same stuff conspiracy would go something like this

* the 1% below is just completely undervalued I would never try to claim I can fully define it, but for now it is simple enough.. And the boundary where this 1% is 1.1% is like ??

There are the 1% who hold the 99% of current global wealth.. This further goes into 2 interrelated parts one who want to remain the power (eg lets picture them as the kings or queen) and the one interested in the $ (and these further divided into religions lobbyist and the ones running the monopolies or strongest economies) like Rockefeller, Tang dynasty, Cecil Rhodes..

then i believe this 1% somewhere along the line also divided into the "good ones" and "bad ones" both having a "mutual understanding". One benefiting from keeping all the bees happy the other one would be "in peoples perspective" the bad guys but they would be the ones responsible for when # needs to get suddenly sorted they are capable and in command to quickly react.. picturing in my mind I see a global cooperation that benefits from having a vertical and horizontal structure..

The the EU is not without IMF and IMF is not without the world bank the world bank is not without the ones ensuring USA$ remaining the main exchange currency.. The banks are not independent of the governance of economy. Export exchange is not independent of all trading economies.. and I think this is just talking things from after wwII..

Then maybe I would add this 1% who hold the 99% of CURRENT global wealth also really didn't think it through properly.. Suddenly there is all this other little shills from different continents standing up getting stronger and more loudly ranting. (And not just that) the bees suddenly stop and ponder..

Then this is to just make it a little more fun..
Then we can maybe come to the ones who would be responsible for controlling the masses with yeeey I want to be Kardashian or you really really need this Ipone 999 better yet the Ipone chip.. Or the ones who are responsible to create and artificial threat of religious terrorist hopefully being enough to occupy us until a horrible tsunami comes along and just gets rid of the shills and pondering bees.. and stuff like that..

Then i can go into the question they are all probably asking them selves.. is it better to grow or downsize the population.. Lets vote downsize and get some military action going on.. But than hang on who will build the spacecraft for future 1% that they will need to get to Mars when things suddenly start to get hot in here..

Then there is the YOU factor do you really want to be the one having to deal with all these decisions why not just leave it up to the ones who kind of have something going on..

OH AND LAST lets NOT FORGET the NWO on the intergalactic federation level...

And wwwwwaaaaaiiiiiiittttt for it…..
3 2 1 .. Boom.. from the doom porn.. lol

But seriously.. On a real true me side of a thing.. this ultimately stops at conspiracy every time I picture me on top of it all having jack squad idea what I am supposed to be doing.. and trying to claim I could do better.. I just enjoy the flow and just observe the human evolution rather the judge the no right or wrong process.. You learn from your mistakes or you just get on with it.. this 4000 year old “civilization” of ours is laughable time in comparison to us a species evolving into what we are now a finally self-aware being.. It is like chill out..

Then personally.. things like knowing you all and your crazy is kind of fun and maybe I am just a hard to entertain loner.. And on the other hand I enjoy it so much that I have this anger when I see sometimes the complete ignorance of how special this creation is and get hella frustrated..


Then like just then.. The App symbol pops at me that I actually never pay attention too..
Completely freaking out a freemason just hacked me..

a reply to: pilgrimOmega

one of my favourite quotes:

Opinion, O disciples, is a disease; opinion is a tumour; opinion is a sore. He who has overcome all opinion, O disciples, is called a saint, one who knows.

-Gautama Buddha

originally posted by: JUhrman
I am a conspiracy theorists too in that I critically explore conspiracies.

No you are not, you are a complete skeptic that tries to dismiss every single threads you post in.

Don't play with us.

a reply to: MimiSia

Thanks for putting all this together.

Don't think for one second I do not understand what you are talking about. I do. Actually I was thinking like you when I was younger and trying to find a miraculous solution to make the world a better place.


Unfortunately the reality is far more complex than this simplistic vision often shared among here.

For a start let's just dig this 1% number. Basically we are talking about 70 million different people, all over the globe, with different origins, beliefs, values.

The simple idea that they might be organized and working together in coherent fashion would indeed be terrifying if it wasn't so ridiculous.

Next lets explore this idea that higher levels of power are connected, banks to gov, lobbies to corporation, etc.

It is correct indeed. But again, does the fact that they communicate and exchange mean they agree, work together and follow a similar agenda? How come sometimes government vote laws that are pissing the corporate world? How come the US/EU/China or Russia usually disagree on pretty much anything? How come corporations need to pay politicians to influence them if they really worked together hand in hand with a common objective?

The reality is both simpler and more complex.

They DON'T obey to a common goal, agenda. They all are individual agents, with individual agenda (often selfish), fighting with each other to make their point of view, their objectives, the accepted one. It's a huge shark tank and the sharks don't work as team. They are still sharks.



You see I come from this "1%" world. I grew up in it. I graduated to become a part of it. I think I am more qualified to know how it works than an angry individual from the internet who thinks all the rich are evil incarnate and work together for world dominion.

Rich people are just normal people with money. Some are nice, some are assholes. Some are smart, some are stupid. Some are selfless, some are selfish.

The same can be said of politicians and CEOs. You can not lump them all together in a box and slap a label with "NWO" written on it, claiming these people work for the same time to enslave the masses.

It's wishful thinking, a fantasy from someone who spent too much time reading sites like ATS. Just like some are aroused by the idea of doom, some are aroused by the idea of a secret powerful cabal ruling the world.


The reality is simply that they are dozens and dozens of structures of power with conflicting agendas and interests and though it's true most don't have your personal interest at heart, it's completely false to imagine they work together in a coherent fashion in order to preserve their privilege and enslave people. They are still human. Like human they have compassion, but like humans to (and like probably many people on this board) they see nothing wrong with making money using legal (but sometimes borderline) means.


I don't frequent this sphere anymore simply because I have different drives and motivations in life than simply status and prestige, but I can assure these people are far from being majorly selfish and greedy.

I do think though that selfish and greedy people do exist, and that they would do anything to make a few bucks, and that they belong to lobbies, government, banks, corporations and crime organizations. They do exist but they don't belong to some secret organization above governments and markets. They are simply doing their jobs and if we want to get rid of them, we have to expose them for what they are:

corrupt politicians, corrupt CEOs, corrupt lobbyist.


Referring to them as belonging to a secret cabal ruling the world only ridicules any attempt at exposing their real crimes.

Propagating conspiracies like the "illuminati" ruling the world simply protects the real criminals from being worried by justice.

originally posted by: theMediator

originally posted by: JUhrman
I am a conspiracy theorists too in that I critically explore conspiracies.

No you are not, you are a complete skeptic that tries to dismiss every single threads you post in.

Don't play with us.

You don't know me. I only deny ignorance and BS.

Feed me with real cases and I'll help you with them as I did in the past on countless boards.


There is nothing wrong with being critical on a board where disinformation and insanity are the norm.

a reply to: and14263

As a female, it is true...I do not have balls. However, I am active in both local and state governments, and tend to openly challenge the powers that be. Is it effective? Mostly not but I am pleased with my accomplishments. If everyone fought for change no matter what the challenges exist to victory, there would begin the momentum of change. The journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

Blessings.

Well said Heff, people are just too busy with trying to survive them damn selves to stop look around let alone actually help affect meaningful and positive change.

Even if the bad guy is real we don't collectively go at the establishment hard enough to find out anyway. We just point fingers and blame one another for not agreeing with one another. Too often have I encountered people that hold the "we don't agree so there is no way we could be friends, your views and opinions disgust me" attitude that prevents real conversation leading to real change.

I've said before I'm past the point of crying and onto laughing with madness...hell if the Illuminati are hiring I could use a job my damn self. I'd make a pretty good ruthless CEO if the pay was good enough. My cruelty don't come cheap...

a reply to: Hefficide

Not a bad overall outlook, been through that myself and thats kind of where I am now but I have a lot of free time these days (which is incredible) so I've been thinking about becoming more politically active somehow. I just haven't found my outlet yet.a reply to: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Even if the bad guy is real we don't collectively go at the establishment hard enough to find out anyway.

Many do in many places around the world, but usually they are referred to as "commies" on places like here


Recently there were marches against Monsanto. What people on here should ask themselves is why they only criticize Monsanto from the comfort of their PC and did not join the marches. Could it be because of laziness and complacency?

It's so easy to say the world needs healing then when your help is needed you suddenly don't have time for it...

a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

Ok I will say .. I will definitely stand by the fact that it is really true many of these "conspiracies" rase some type of immoral issue or unethical behaviour.. I was often completely unaware of it.. I can honestly add given I have no sense of belonging to anything in particular that you are all onto something ..

And I can totally see why these secrecy is talked about here ,to me it serves as normal tactical strategy, given it would be just better if media and gov sold it all to us in most calm and collective manner or attractive and I will always be your hero type of a way..

Would you talk your household problems out in front of your kids.. what is the point.. I am sure they gossip about it too.. will they ever know ? maybe 10 years later when it is irrelevant..

but this is different imagine if you knew about the true risks that may lead into something like the The financial crisis of 2007–08

anyway god really I have to get a new hobby

Whaaat...??? Seriously though, you think simple protesting against one company in particular in certain places around the world constitutes fighting hard enough? Really...?

Oh and I never called anybody a "commie" You know why other places are more prone to actually violently protest and rebel with purpose even if misguided, hmm do you?

I'll tell you why, they DON''T GIVE A EFF anymore they have less to lose than us fat, lazy, employed unhappily, happily unemployed Americans. They have already been subjected to the bootheel and have said ENOUGH yet sadly it never really works out in end of it all for the little guys does it? a reply to: JUhrman

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Whaaat...??? Seriously though, you think simple protesting against one company in particular in certain places around the world constitutes fighting hard enough? Really...?

Marches, boycott and information. Yes it's the most efficient we can do as individuals.


But since you seem to claim there is more we can do (when most are already not even doing the simple things above...) without resorting to violence, feel free tho share it with the thread



Also I'm not American, and my country is full of lazy people benefiting from one of the best social protection in the world (so talk about happily unemployed compare to the US!) and yet there are regularly massive marches here.

I think the reason why people in the US don't protest as much anymore is purely cultural.