National ID Card - Welcome to USSA

Next Stop RFID chip

This is really messed up;

We need to put a stop to this

I truly believe our government is intentionally allowing illegals into the US to create the argument for the card.

It is disgusting.

Originally posted by DjSharperimage
We need to put a stop to this

Lets be real for a moment.

This is the dawning of a new day in America and the world in general.

It wont be stopped in the same way that one, a hundred, or a million cannot stop the literal dawn.

the NWO will be rolled out over a 100 year timeframe, less if people get involved and regulate it, a bit more if people resist and things simply get imposed on them.
400 years from now, most will be part of this new world order, there will be quaint little villages here and there akin to our amish community that are disconnected from the pros and cons of this new world.

You can argue all you want, you can buy 4 million guns if you want, but it wont change the inevitable...I personally think it would be more productive for people to discuss where its going and make sure there is a bill of rights and a country/state type constitution involved...otherwise, the time for the people to speak at the table will pass with little more than a dying rebel roar.

Originally posted by DjSharperimage

Next Stop RFID chip

This is really messed up;

We need to put a stop to this

Out of curiosity, why would the next step be an RFID chip(I'm assuming you mean implant)?

You passport already has one. So do your debit and credit cards.

You can guarantee that a national ID would have it as well.

If we are all carrying multiple, why would they bother to go through the time, expense and trouble of trying to inject people?

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
If we are all carrying multiple, why would they bother to go through the time, expense and trouble of trying to inject people?

Indeed...and it is perfectly acceptable, I think, in being "chipped"...so long as we can simply put it down when we want to.

most of the concepts of chips are great...from a up to date medical records which could be life saving, to a ton of other applications that would be handy. If they made a card that runs only on your fingerprint for encryption, only the most paranoid of our society would refuse to get one...and end of the day, if you want privacy...simply leave it somewhere else.

Listen at the 2:00 mark. She says by what she reads they will have a scan of the vains on the back of your hand and that is how they will identify you. I wonder if they are intentionally trying to mimick the biblical prophecy. Either way this is not good at all.

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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
If we are all carrying multiple, why would they bother to go through the time, expense and trouble of trying to inject people?

Indeed...and it is perfectly acceptable, I think, in being "chipped"...so long as we can simply put it down when we want to.

most of the concepts of chips are great...from a up to date medical records which could be life saving, to a ton of other applications that would be handy. If they made a card that runs only on your fingerprint for encryption, only the most paranoid of our society would refuse to get one...and end of the day, if you want privacy...simply leave it somewhere else.

Exactly.

I think a lot of people dont understand RFID tech, or the fact that they carry them every day. I think most people think it is like a GPS transmitter, that can locate them at a moments notice.

I personally WOULD have an issue with having a chip implanted-inside my body is sacred and no one has a right to put anything in it-but things like a national ID card, with an RFID chip in it, is really the next logical step.

They have one with Ron Pauls name on it.
He will be getting the first one.

Originally posted by traveler928
I truly believe our government is intentionally allowing illegals into the US to create the argument for the card.

It is disgusting.

wow, Im impressed, thanks for posting this...very insightful idea
this makes other things like The Military Industrial Complex, The ludicrous "War on Drugs" err, I mean "prison industrial complex", the The NWO, - it all fits together into a sort of Grand Unified Theory....of enslavement, greed, and corruption...

thank you

Seataka

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But the moment eloquence or the language of debate enters, true reasoning becomes impossible. For the purpose of the debater is not to find the truth but to win the argument, and to this end he will often stray as far as possible from the real issues"

"Eloquence and debate are designed, not to decide issues, but to sway people, for this reason they lean heavily on appeals to emotion and prejudice, and make use of neat, clever, and sometimes humorous turns of phrase rather than profound analysis of ideas"

"Of all this Confucious was contemptuous" Confucious by H. G. Creel Chapter "The teacher"

I hate to throw Alex Jones into the mix as 1.) I'm not an avid listener- just found him talking about this same subject last night and 2.) people do tend to cringe when they hear his name but....Supposedly this bill is a front for them opening up the borders, allowing millions of immigrants from Canada and Mexico into our country and millions of us can become immigrants in Canada or Mexico. AKA creating the NAU or whatever they want to call it.

I don't know if this is that same card he's talking about...but how many could there be? Either way- this bill cannot pass. This truly could be the "big one" people have been talking about for some time in regards to the government doing whatever they wish to change the way things are. The bill has ads with the tagline "Never been easier to travel" or something like that... (the actual ads are shown if I recall correctly in the video). This will make the healthcare issue look like a cat fight....I would be shocked if this is allowed to pass and frankly will fail to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

I'd be extrealy hesitant to allow for anything the government came up with to be stuck in MY BODY.

So they tell you "It'll help us with your medical records, and will also be a way to verify your a citizen, and you won't have to worry about leaving your house and forgetting your driver's licence"..

But what else are they not telling us. "It's got a gps built into it" "it'll monitor you for illegal substances" "It'll know every time you bump uglies with your girl-friend or spouse" "It'll help us track you in the event your doing something illegal" "we can push a button and the chip will emit a toxin into your body that will render you paralysed or dead"?

I mean, really. how trusting are some of you?

I am not comfortable with this idea at all. and agree with Sen. Ron Paul.

If the chip can be put onto a card, instead of inside my body, I am all for it.

There is a better advantage to have it on a card, then inside of someone. The side-effects from the chip are nasty.

Those are just my thoughts though.

Originally posted by Quickfix
There is a better advantage to have it on a card, then inside of someone. The side-effects from the chip are nasty.
Those are just my thoughts though.

Got a link for the side-effects? Would be interested in seeing what they currently are.

Just to add to my reasons for not wanting it.

Thanks

Bad news. Someone was pointing out the flaws of this type of system back in 2004. Here is some of their information on this subject 6 years ago.

"These two things are what give the card it's supposed power and are it's fatal flaws:

1. If the card and it's contact with the central database is required for day-to-day activities then the creators of this system will have created a single point failure system for the entire country. That database, it's power supply, it's communication lines, it's software, everything about it will be a means to bring this country to a halt. This database, by necessity, must have hundreds of thousands of entry points accepting millions of connections each day. The more access points the more vulnerable the system is to attacks. Any building that requires the card for access, any business that requires the card for transactions will be vulnerable to having it's communication channel severed. A UBID as envisioned by it's proponents will have created a huge vulnerability to our society that cannot be allowed to exist.
2. Any central database that has the ability to track every move, every transaction of a person will be a tool of tremendous potential for abuse. It will dramatically fail my Jews in the attic test. No rules, regulations or laws can prevent abuse by those people that enforce the laws. This has been repeatedly proven not only in the classic cases of Nazi Germany and the USSR, but in our own country with such examples as the illegal access of census records to find and detain American citizens of Japanese descent during WWII."

Rest of the Article and Source

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Originally posted by Smell The Roses
Bad news. Someone was pointing out the flaws of this type of system back in 2004. Here is some of their information on this subject 6 years ago.

"These two things are what give the card it's supposed power and are it's fatal flaws:

1. If the card and it's contact with the central database is required for day-to-day activities then the creators of this system will have created a single point failure system for the entire country. That database, it's power supply, it's communication lines, it's software, everything about it will be a means to bring this country to a halt. This database, by necessity, must have hundreds of thousands of entry points accepting millions of connections each day. The more access points the more vulnerable the system is to attacks. Any building that requires the card for access, any business that requires the card for transactions will be vulnerable to having it's communication channel severed. A UBID as envisioned by it's proponents will have created a huge vulnerability to our society that cannot be allowed to exist.
2. Any central database that has the ability to track every move, every transaction of a person will be a tool of tremendous potential for abuse. It will dramatically fail my Jews in the attic test. No rules, regulations or laws can prevent abuse by those people that enforce the laws. This has been repeatedly proven not only in the classic cases of Nazi Germany and the USSR, but in our own country with such examples as the illegal access of census records to find and detain American citizens of Japanese descent during WWII."

Rest of the Article and Source

[edit on 10-3-2010 by Smell The Roses]

I believe people are overestimating what RFID does. Its a radio frequency emitter. Its not GPS. Its not a tracker. It doesnt follow every move.

Like I said before, if you live in the western world, you already carry one, possibly 2. And there have been no cyber attacks. There have been no attempts to track every move.

This is totally ludicrous and against everything that our Constitution and Country are all about. It's just a way for them to know where you are at all times.

Somebody said to just leave the card somewhere if you wanted privacy. If it is a National ID Card, then they will probably make it a law that you have to have it with you at all times or be arrested.

I don't know about other states, but in mine, it's against the Law to be without some form of picture ID. So I'm sure that they would do the same with this card.

I for one will refuse this card, no matter the outcome of said decision upon myself. How long will the sheeple put up with government trampling upon their rights?

USSA? It sure is heading that way quickly.....

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A slippery slope

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I think my remarks are relevant to the National ID and as such I must explain how and in what way.

Recently, I was in a Mexican restaurant getting some tacos when I picked up a Spanish Newspaper Flier that you see if you ever go into a real Mexican food place. Most of these free newspapers are in Spanish and since I can read Spanish I said to myself, why not. So I picked one and began to read while I waited for my tacos to be fixed.

Well anyway, in this newspaper on the front page was a huge article with a picture of Obama asking for 650,000 thousand Mexicans to come to the USA and work on the many government building projects going on all across the USA.

When I read further it indicated that many federal and military new facilities were being built and this is why Obama was extending a warm welcome to any Mexican that applied to come work in the USA. They were guaranteed a work Visa and other benefits as an inducement to come to the USA and work on federal government projects. Obama indicated in the comments provided that such building would go on for many years as if to indicate it was a long term benefit to consider coming to the USA and working for Uncle Sam, Patron Obama.

I was shocked and wondered what could be going on that would on one hand ask for 650,000 Mexicans to come to the USA while on the other hand making loud public noises about immigration issues and a need for amnesty for those that have overstayed their work Visas while pushing for a National ID in the same breath. I also was reminded that unemployment in the USA is probably running around 22% and so I stopped reading and began to think about what it all meant.

I realized that the immigration issue is a politicized issue that is being used by the Obama circus of imbeciles to get cheap labor and at the same time use immigration to usher in National ID and other draconian measures that have nothing to do with Mexicans or immigration. Bottom line is that I got the feeling it was all about the money and if that it is the case, Uncle Sam wants some long term cheap slave labor that can also be used to assist in their political goals of getting everyone in America on a National ID as if it will benefit the American public in some grand way.

Anyway, this is a good discussion piece and I thank you for posting it. I just wonder if foreign construction companies are building American facilities with American tax dollars? Now that would also be a good discussion topic.

Hi there The Netherlands this means me already confronted with punishment if we can not identify ourselves for a number of years. There is already a chip in our pass ports and from last September you even have to give your fingerprints when you renew your ID. card.


Boy was I stunned when I read our Dutch Christian Democratic party was the one that came up with the idea and promoted it for all of Europe.

:bash:

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Wow if they're doing it where pot is legal -- then this shi## will go down here in the Evil Empire.

After that the New World Order should kick and then it's FEMA fun with Dick Cheney in the underground reptilian alien tunnels.

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