National ID Card - Welcome to USSA

It's sickening to see how many of you are ready to just piss away your rights because Big Brother says you should. Aren't you the least bit mad about this, or have you already become one of the flock of millions that will willingly jump off a cliff like a bunch of lemmings for their government?

I for one am sick of all this crap that they are shoving down our throats, and it seems it's just about time that someone takes matters into their own hands. Our world is already done folks. The NWO has won, and now it's going to just slowly seep into our lives. If you value your property, you better start stocking up on guns and food.


But maybe we'll get lucky and we'll all be blown to little space bits before anything like this happens.


Peace be with you.....maybe.


-truthseeker

This makes my skin crawl. RFD's might be in my id but it WILL NOT go in my body, that is to invasive. Plus any idea has the ability to be used for good or evil. Everything I have seen come from our government has been used as a weapon. I would like to see something they created actually help.

I am not a religious man, but he Bible's "Mark of the Beast" comes to mind.

It was stated in the Constitution that it is not only a right, but the duty of the people to abolish any form of government that is not serving the people. That's it.

Elect people who represent the masses, not themselves or special interests

And regulate how much power corporations have

Originally posted by krystalice

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
ou could solve that problem by just really requiring employers to make sure they are citizens and if they hire illegals put them out ...

That is radical and harsh, and how will you solve those individuals hired on business working visas and other legal - international working arrangements.

Hmm let me see if the are legal what do they have to worry about? And you say I am harsh while a population of people that could care less about this country and pledge allegiance to another come in and try to take over. If they are here in a legal manner more power to them. But if they are not why should we feed them like stray dogs they will never leave. How is that for harsh. Enough is enough if you are here illegal go home and if you don't if this country falls apart think about how life will be for you. But I have a feeling just like the stray dog they will never leave when they can get just a little more. They are like shadows it is truly pathetic don't they have pride? If I had my way I would round them up and if they returned they would not get a second chance. The problem would stop.

[edit on 11-3-2010 by Subjective Truth]

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by DjSharperimage
We need to put a stop to this

Lets be real for a moment.

This is the dawning of a new day in America and the world in general.

It wont be stopped in the same way that one, a hundred, or a million cannot stop the literal dawn.

the NWO will be rolled out over a 100 year timeframe, less if people get involved and regulate it, a bit more if people resist and things simply get imposed on them.
400 years from now, most will be part of this new world order, there will be quaint little villages here and there akin to our amish community that are disconnected from the pros and cons of this new world.

You can argue all you want, you can buy 4 million guns if you want, but it wont change the inevitable...I personally think it would be more productive for people to discuss where its going and make sure there is a bill of rights and a country/state type constitution involved...otherwise, the time for the people to speak at the table will pass with little more than a dying rebel roar.

The people who want this NWO are the same people who sponsored Nazi Germany. They are the same people who insist that we can't sustain more than 500 mil population. We might more easily go down the primrose path to the garden plot if Nazi Germany had not paved the way (like with our gravestones, like in Shindler's list) They want CHANGE, Obama's change for you. But the change they want is to make it easier for them to KILL you. If you are looking for a beautiful utopia after they are done, don't bother. The world they create, if we allow them, will be so ugly even you would not want to live there.
As for the Amish, they will leave them alone,they don't need the extra publicity, until they have total power,then they will totally disappear. If the Swiss give them trouble with their citizen minuitemen, they will probably get nuked. Why would we want to turn our democracy over to the most ruthless, vicious scum on earth and expect them to build a utopia.


[edit on 11-3-2010 by m khan]

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
If I had my way I would round them up and if they returned they would not get a second chance. The problem would stop.

While you are at it, don't forget to convert the democratic system into a fascist or communist state. It sure will work your way than.

reply to post by alienesque


I don't like the idea of anything being implanted into a human body, though a carry-like system would be ideal.

One example, most people carry their license ID's, so why not plant one inside and other form of ID's such as Bank Cards.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

Hmm let me see if the are legal what do they have to worry about? And you say I am harsh while a population of people that could care less about this country and pledge allegiance to another come in and try to take over. If they are here in a legal manner more power to them. But if they are not why should we feed them like stray dogs they will never leave. How is that for harsh.

Enough is enough if you are here illegal go home and if you don't if this country falls apart think about how life will be for you. But I have a feeling just like the stray dog they will never leave when they can get just a little more. They are like shadows it is truly pathetic don't they have pride? If I had my way I would round them up and if they returned they would not get a second chance. The problem would stop.

This kind of labeling of the American population like a brand on cattle really is to make you the property of someone else. What made America great, how we avoided the serfdom of Europe, was that we had wide open spaces.You could vote with your feet and start over further west.It isn't just the Rockefeller club that want us locked down, but the inbred, ingrown royals. They hate us because we are free and they want their serfs back.They don't realize that they would also be disposed of by whoever takes total power. They also sponsored Hitler because they wanted him to develop this new world order thinking they would be running it.

As for illegal immigrants we actually have many Americans, born here, who can't get an id because they weren't born in a hospital. You have to PROVE you were born here. You have to have identification papers on you at all times. If you get stopped in the street, just jogging, the police will demand id papers. This actually happened to someone I know. He wasn't carrying any but he stood his ground and they let him go. They are selling this as "immigration" reform but it really marks the end of our existence as human beings. Be prepared to lose human status and become someone's animal.that they can dispose of. This sounds way out to you, but that's how it was under feudal Europe.


And for your comment

while a population of people that could care less about this country and pledge allegiance to another come in and try to take over.

what do you think of our august President who pledges allegiance to the CFR ( a roundtable to promote the British Empire) who could care less about our country and deliberately destroys our economy and passes laws that are harmful for Americans? He is one darn loyal royal.He swore an oath on Lincoln's bible to uphold the Constitution but trampled it underfoot. He doesn't care about America. He is focused on POST america.He let himself become a tool to destroy our country and we were so deceived we voted for him. He's using healthcare reform to takeover our hospitals so we know as little about what happenes to patients as we do about who dies of swine flu vaccine. He is setting up America to pay tax to the un through the global warming hoax. He wants to help his "masters" to get our money.He'd better bow low after selling out his country. Maybe those ultra low bows were a sign that he was owned by them. Maybe that was why it was so irritating to see him bow so low, that it really meant he was bowing for us, putting America under their feet.




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I am a civil libertarian, and I will absolutely refuse to accept this National ID Card for any reason. They are going beyond what is required of Immigration reform, this was part of the USA Patriot Act Sec. 403 'ACCESS BY THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND THE INS TO CERTAIN IDENTIFYING INFORMATION IN THE CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORDS OF VISA APPLICANTS AND APPLICANTS FOR ADMISSION TO THE UNITED STATES.'

I do not understand why they would extend this to ALL American citizens when it was only supposed to be used on Immigrants for Visas.

epic.org...

Edit to add: I am not a very religious person and definitely not a religious fanatic but this could easily tie into this line from the bible.

"16 And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead;"

It is proposed to scan the veins on the top of your hand, obviously it could be done on your right hand.

"17 and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Rev 13:16-17 (ASV)"

If you can not get a job how could you possibly buy or sell?

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There is an enormous paranoia concerning this card. I don't see much difference in this, than an (e-Passport) which has a microchip embedded.

[edit on 3/11/2010 by krystalice]

I don't know what you guys are all worried about, nobody can force a National ID card or any other crap onto you that you don't wish for.

Please reference this thread, read through it entirely and try to grasp what the system is like. You have free will over what you do or not wish for.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Quit being so afraid of everything and take power back into your own hands, if enough people understand this things will start to change.

[edit on 11-3-2010 by eLPresidente]

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Hah, of course the funding for these new "facilities" will come out of the tax payer's pockets, and so will the benefits that the "mexican slave laborers" receive. This sounds like a pretty solid plan, killing two birds with one stone here. I don't understand how this would "solve" illegal immigration, it would merely bring millions more to every metro area in america...

Now the National ID card is something the government has been trying to implement for quite some time. It would obviously give them a means to track not only an individual's where-abouts, but also any financial transactions they make, how fast they're traveling in their car, ect ect. After the ID cards are issued suddenly thousands of new regulations will appear out of nowhere. Once all of the software is in place and the databases are collecting information they will create a new (probably secret) agency to read the database and fill any requests another agency might file. Suddenly these "scanners" will be everywhere and you won't even be able to commute to work or leave the state on a fishing trip without being scanned by some new "national security force" who's funding will also come out of our pockets.

Essentially in the end, we will be paying for them to invade our privacy and give them more reasons to arrest, fine, and imprison us.

reply to post by krystalice


Yeah but they only tell you what they want you to know about the card. If they had a GPS chip in it do you really think they would tell you about it? The whole system is based on lies and corruption. They only tell you what you need to know. They inch it one by one. Until they finally work their way of implementing a full on GPS chip some time in the future. They are slowly progressing and working their way up like a puzzle. It's all a puzzle to them. They are just trying to find which pieces work. The easiest and most effective way of doing it is by taking it step by step they implement their goals and agenda.

All governments become corrupt when they reach a certain point. Some are even born corrupt. The people in power forget what it is to be human and to have those attributes that make us special. They are blind and they take the blind(ignorant) in the dark with them. This chip will be nothing to what they have in store.

Originally posted by Key2life
reply to post by krystalice

 

Yeah but they only tell you what they want you to know about the card. If they had a GPS chip in it do you really think they would tell you about it? The whole system is based on lies and corruption. They only tell you what you need to know. They inch it one by one. Until they finally work their way of implementing a full on GPS chip some time in the future. They are slowly progressing and working their way up like a puzzle. It's all a puzzle to them. They are just trying to find which pieces work. The easiest and most effective way of doing it is by taking it step by step they implement their goals and agenda.

All governments become corrupt when they reach a certain point. Some are even born corrupt. The people in power forget what it is to be human and to have those attributes that make us special. They are blind and they take the blind(ignorant) in the dark with them. This chip will be nothing to what they have in store.

Maybe this is why some of us prefer wearing tinfoil hats....maybe we should start marketing tinfoil wallets as well?

Originally posted by eLPresidente
I don't know what you guys are all worried about, nobody can force a National ID card or any other crap onto you that you don't wish for.

Please reference this thread, read through it entirely and try to grasp what the system is like. You have free will over what you do or not wish for.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Quit being so afraid of everything and take power back into your own hands, if enough people understand this things will start to change.

[edit on 11-3-2010 by eLPresidente]

the problem is most people dont understand...thats whats scaring those that do...

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


To show solidarity I will boycott all things Dutch (like what? )

We should all try to boycott all things European, anyway (except German luxury cars. Gotta have those when I get rich.)

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Out of curiosity, why would the next step be an RFID chip(I'm assuming you

RFID is dead. The range is too short and the information is too limited.

The next step is WiFi ID.

WiFi Id has a much larger range and can transmit much more information and can also work to collect and transmit information real-time to send to all sorts of databases which can in turn request specific info from the WiFi ID and go so far as to re-program the WiFi ID transmitter.

Also, there's the whole "we're bankrupt as hell and on the brink of civil war but we need to set up free national WiFi so everyone can have FaceBook pages and see porno" push that's going on right now.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by slayer420.

Now the National ID card is something the government has been trying to implement for quite some time. It would obviously give them a means to track not only an individual's where-abouts, but also any financial transactions they make, how fast they're traveling in their car, ect ect. After the ID cards are issued suddenly thousands of new regulations will appear out of nowhere. Once all of the software is in place and the databases are collecting information they will create a new (probably secret) agency to read the database and fill any requests another agency might file. Suddenly these "scanners" will be everywhere and you won't even be able to commute to work or leave the state on a fishing trip without being scanned by some new "national security force" who's funding will also come out of our pockets.

Essentially in the end, we will be paying for them to invade our privacy and give them more reasons to arrest, fine, and imprison us.

Not only that but you can be sure that this system will be abused, that is will be used to get rid of opposition to administration policy,that it will be used not just to rob and blackmail with no legal recourse and no controls.but to terrorize everyone for monetary gain We already have a government that allows itself to secretly but legally, kidnap and murder at will.How will we have any safeguards from this total system . We won't.There is no way to make any. We have a government that put itself above the laws. Now we want to give them power to control whether we work or eat with no legal recourse.Anyone in government could abuse the system to cheat anyone whatsoever with no recourse. Do you think our unresponsive Congress will pass laws to protect us? Our freedom to live as human beings will be gone. Our children will have to cower under total oppression.

reply to post by DjSharperimage


I think some people have trust issues!!!

It's already bad enough that Employees have their bags checked when leaving work but now they'll have to go through this verification process...

I think any illegal should be stopped at the Airports or Border Control anyway... how and why they are allowed to enter so far into the system is beyond me...

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by DjSharperimage

 

... how and why they are allowed to enter so far into the system is beyond me...

well..if they were not allowed they couldnt be used as an excuse for having to introduce things like the ID cards...

reply to post by m khan

Our freedom to live as human beings will be gone. Our children will have to cower under total oppression.

Which is why we need to act NOW. I am not planning on having children just because of this. I refuse to bring them up in a defunct, totalitarian state, where the government can dictate when and what you eat, what you see on the internet, and even when you can go to the bathroom. As far as the last point, don't worry...it will come under the premise of saving water resources and you are only allowed to use the bathroom at certain points of the day. I could go so far as saying that it will be mandatory to install shower sensors that only allow you to take a 30 second shower or something like that. I mean, with the current trends in this administration, I believe this to be a valid point.

A truly sad state of affairs. I would almost welcome some big rock hitting this planet so as to "restart" evolution altogether if there wasn't at least some shred of decency left in this world. Humans are violent and effed up creatures.


-truthseeker

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