The hypocrisy of those against the proposed AZ law (regarding gays)

beezzer

mOjOm


Also, nobody is taking away your right to own a gun, they just don't want it inside their business.

BINGO.

So that means no one is trying to take their gay away, they just don't want it inside their business.

beezzer

mOjOm


Also, nobody is taking away your right to own a gun, they just don't want it inside their business.

BINGO.

No one is taking away their gayness, they just dont want it in their business.

onequestion
reply to post by doubletap

 

Do we need laws that say what you can and cant do on this level?


You realize where this train ends right?

No need for laws. The rights of the business owner dictate how said owner will operate their business.

Instead, gays want to force businesses to provide services to them, which violates the rights of the biz owner.

There is no stated power that gives government the power to dictate who I may or may not do business with. None. Zero.

beezzer

mOjOm


Also, nobody is taking away your right to own a gun, they just don't want it inside their business.

BINGO.

Bingo what???

Are you comparing being Gay or Black or some other attribute which you are born with to carrying a weapon???? You can't be serious. You can't take off your gayness or your blackness or your disabledness and leave it at home like you can your weapon. There is a difference. Just like you can't smoke inside because that is just something you choose to do. You aren't born smoking like you are born gay or black or whatever.

(Please don't respond with Gay's choose to be gay either.....That cat has been beaten to death already.)

neo96

beezzer

mOjOm


Also, nobody is taking away your right to own a gun, they just don't want it inside their business.

BINGO.

So that means no one is trying to take their gay away, they just don't want it inside their business.

I'm sorry sir, I understand you had reservations for your family here, but we are going to have to ask you to leave your gay son outside, the rest of your family are welcome here.

neo96
Yo!

Discrimination is Discrimination.

No matter how one tries to 'justify' it.

"Discriminate"--1.
recognize a distinction; differentiate

We must all make choices in life--and those choices are just saying we recognize differences.

The Civil Rights Act basically makes it illegal to refuse to sell goods or services to someone different than you, as a public seller, would normally prefer.

What is does not do, is force one to provide goods or services he does not have to these people.

And that is what the homosexuals in the cake shops are demanding---cakes celebrating homosexuality or homosexual marriage. I'm sure the owner would be willing to sell them any cake present in the building--but not design and make something that he has decided (discriminating thought) that he believes is wrong for society.

beezzer

mOjOm


Also, nobody is taking away your right to own a gun, they just don't want it inside their business.

BINGO.

Err....... how does a person leave their gayness in the glove box while they go in the store??????

I am not gay, but this entire issue is BS. Besides what "sacred texts" command thou shall be arse holes to gay people?

reply to post by mOjOm


I'm just saying that you appear to be okay with a business to deny service to someone that has a Constitutional Right.

doubletap

beezzer

mOjOm


Also, nobody is taking away your right to own a gun, they just don't want it inside their business.

BINGO.

No one is taking away their gayness, they just dont want it in their business.

WTF are you talking about. Are you so unreasonable as to think that serving a gay couple for example means that it means they are allowed to have gay sex on the tables or something??? Are you afraid some gay guy is going to come into a coffee shop, not to order coffee but to float around the room redecorating the place and waving their Gay in everyone's face????

Are you really that messed up and delusional???? Because your stance is like something a 4 y/o would try and argue based off their wildly over active imagination.

Realistically, I don't even understand how the hell these business owners are going to know someone is gay anyway unless the person comes out and says it. Maybe everyone wearing a pink shirt gets assed out or something...I don't know...

beezzer
reply to post by mOjOm

 

I'm just saying that you appear to be okay with a business to deny service to someone that has a Constitutional Right.

Such is the right of BWW to deny entry to people wearing guns. In Vegas, Jack in the Box had similar signs, so I stopped giving them my money. They are perfectly within their property rights to do so, just as bakers are perfectly within their rights to refuse cakes for gay weddings.

reply to post by Grimpachi


Look, I think this law is stupid.

I think most laws are stupid, but I'm a Libertarian, so what are you going to do!

But apparently there is hypocrisy, per the OP.

Because it is apparently okay to deny service to someone who is doing nothing but exercising their Constitutional Right, yet you can't deny someone service who has a Constitutional Right to be there?

reply to post by doubletap


What angers me is Discrimination and wanting protection for it hiding behind "Religion"

What Angers me is people not looking at me(us) as People just because we are Gay and comparing us to things other than Human.

Hypothetically this law passes, and i walk into a store in Arizona and say "I'm not Gay, i want to buy a box of Tic-Tacs" and they sell it to me and right after i say "Just Kidding" i am Gay what happens to their Soul?

how are they going to say who is and who isn't gay? are they going to ask everyone? are they going to test everyone? that is the "Freedom" you want?

reply to post by Tusks

We must all make choices in life--and those choices are just saying we recognize differences.

Apparently not.

Smoking is a behavioral difference. LOTS of people don't accept their choice.

Owning a gun is a behavioral difference. LOTS of people don't accept their choice.

In this country we don't recognize differences other than to create political wedge issues for the power of a vote.

So according to that BEHAVIOR people don't have to accept sexual behavior.

Besides just because the states says everyone should love X that doesn't mean people will.

What that does?

Is drive bigotry deeper in to the American Psyche.

It's just not on display.

doubletap

beezzer
reply to post by mOjOm

 

I'm just saying that you appear to be okay with a business to deny service to someone that has a Constitutional Right.

Such is the right of BWW to deny entry to people wearing guns. In Vegas, Jack in the Box had similar signs, so I stopped giving them my money. They are perfectly within their property rights to do so, just as bakers are perfectly within their rights to refuse cakes for gay weddings.

edit on 26-2-2014 by doubletap because: (no reason given)

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Oh and for the record.

People need to stop making the comparison of the LGBT community to African Americans,

Because that is an damn right insult to what the African community has endured since the end of slavery.

LGBT's were never slaves.

mOjOm




WTF are you talking about. Are you so unreasonable as to think that serving a gay couple for example means that it means they are allowed to have gay sex on the tables or something??? Are you afraid some gay guy is going to come into a coffee shop, not to order coffee but to float around the room redecorating the place and waving their Gay in everyone's face????

Are you really that messed up and delusional???? Because your stance is like something a 4 y/o would try and argue based off their wildly over active imagination.

Realistically, I don't even understand how the hell these business owners are going to know someone is gay anyway unless the person comes out and says it. Maybe everyone wearing a pink shirt gets assed out or something...I don't know...

edit on 26-2-2014 by mOjOm because: (no reason given)

As a business owner, why should I not have the right to refuse service to blacks or gays simply for that reason? Its my business, my property, my money, my lost income, and my freedom to associate with whoever I choose.

No one, (gay, straight, black, white) has the right to compel someone to do business with them. I have been denied service because I was white. I didnt cry about it, I didnt sue, I simply went to their competition and gave them my money.

reply to post by beezzer


Hell no. I don't support taking away guns from people. Not at all. Own all the guns you want. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that if you are a gun owner and you have one on you, that you should leave it in the car while you come in my business to drink whiskey and watch the ball game though.

Nobody is removing your rights to a gun, but in some buildings or whatever you don't need to be packing heat. It is a deadly weapon after all. I don't think it's required to arm yourself while purchasing a mattress or some dining room chairs.

mOjOm

doubletap

mOjOm

I don't know what you're talking about. Is there a law in AZ that says business owners can discriminate against Gun Owners and Smokers??

Buffalo Wild Wings is well known for having signs on their front door stating No Firearms Allowed.

Such is their right since it is their business. The same as business owners should have the right to post signs stating Gays Not Welcome.

No firearms allowed isn't the same thing. You can't take your Gay off and leave it in the car like you can your gun. Plus a gun is a weapon and I don't think we have the ability to Shoot Gayness at some innocent patron and kill them with it.

Yes you can leave it in the car. How do you think the business owner can tell if your gay? When you are in public, do you try to be as obnoxious as possible and advertise you are gay? And no that advice isn't just for gays.Keep your gay (or hetero) in your bedroom between you and your gay(or hetero) partner. If I take my elderly mother shopping the last thing I wanna see is straight or gay couples clawing at each other like a soft porno flick. I would appreciate any business that kept the shenanigans out and force it to bars or parties were it belongs. Just my 2 cents.

beezzer


Such is the right of BWW to deny entry to people wearing guns. In Vegas, Jack in the Box had similar signs, so I stopped giving them my money. They are perfectly within their property rights to do so, just as bakers are perfectly within their rights to refuse cakes for gay weddings.


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

You're killing me here dude. I own a business involved in the firearms industry, and I cant believe I really have to explain this to a fellow gun guy.....

The constitution ceases to exist in businesses. It doesnt afford a blanket protection of rights from any violators, it only applies to what government cannot do.

If I own a business and you walk in with a gun on, I am perfectly within my rights to ask to you remove said gun. The same goes for you exercising your freedom of speech....if you say something I dont like or agree with and you are inside my home or business, I am free to ask you to stfu or leave. Constitutional protections only apply to government, not private businesses.

mOjOm
reply to post by beezzer

 

Hell no. I don't support taking away guns from people. Not at all. Own all the guns you want. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that if you are a gun owner and you have one on you, that you should leave it in the car while you come in my business to drink whiskey and watch the ball game though.

Nobody is removing your rights to a gun, but in some buildings or whatever you don't need to be packing heat. It is a deadly weapon after all. I don't think it's required to arm yourself while purchasing a mattress or some dining room chairs.

You're right.

The business has an individual right to determine who they want into their business.

Ooops.