The hypocrisy of those against the proposed AZ law (regarding gays)

I have noticed some hilarious hypocrisy on the part of those proposed AZ law giving business owners the right to refuse service to gays on the basis of religious grounds.

Disclaimer: I despise all religion and support this law for the simple reason of protecting the rights of the business owner. IMHO, those who believe a book of fairy tales belong in rubber rooms. I am not a "conservative", nor am I a "liberal". I have a very fond hatred for both groups.

The majority of those opposed to the law are leftists, plain and simple. Those who whine about a lack of tolerance, yet they refuse to tolerate any opinions that differ from theirs.

It's pretty well known that the religious nuts like to complain about a plethora of things, but in this post lets go with "profanity and obscenity". The jesus freak groups fired off lots of complaints after the infamous Super Bowl nipple among other things. The common rebuttal to that is that they are free to change the tv channel, or radio station if whatever they see/hear is objectionable in their eyes. I totally agree with that.

In the current situation, the common sense approach would be to go to a business that would happily take your money. Instead, gays want to make a federal case out of it by suing a business that refuses to do business with them. Why force complicity?

They act as if the rights of gays supercede those of a business owner.

As a consumer, if a black or gay business owner didnt want my business, cool, I'll take my money elsewhere.

As a business owner, I have the right to refuse service to anyone I choose for whatever reason I choose. I retain the right to hire/fire/refuse to hire anyone I choose for whatever reason I choose. Want to see absurdity ? Check out the NFL's Rooney Rule for proof of utter stupidity designed to placate the racial whiners.

The simple fact of the matter is that government has no Constitutional power to dictate who I do business with, or in this case, refuse to do business with. The individual and property rights of business owners to not get lower priority than those of these ridiculous "protected classes".

The hypocrisy on the left is absolutely amazing.

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Governor Brewer will veto the law, or that's the best guess of commentators and others who have seen the massive pressure she's under to do just that. The way this law is written it would bring segregation back to a U.S. state. If you go to Arizona, and a coffee shop owner suspected you were gay, you'd have to leave her coffee shop and have no legal recourse.

So the law, if passed, would bring back all the "Deep South" laws which discriminated against blacks, but with this law there is no way to know if someone is gay - businesses would be guessing. And if passed, all sports teams would have to once again fear that hotels, etc., would turn some of their players away.

And of course the bill doesn't only limit this to gay people - if I'm a Jewish shop owner and don't want Catholics in my establishment, out they go. "No Fornicators Allowed" could be a sign at all the local movie theaters.

Im more of a free market thinker on these issues.

IF a business owner holds an opinion, let him.

We saw it with chick filet , IF people don't want to shop at a store that has an unpopular opinion than they won't.

No need for government to "fix" it, the free market will.

That is as long as public opinion is against such "thought" than there should be no worry that someone who discriminates will profit as the market should regulate itself.

Aleister
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Governor Brewer will veto the law, or that's the best guess of commentators and others who have seen the massive pressure she's under to do just that. The way this law is written it would bring segregation back to a U.S. state. If you go to Arizona, and a coffee shop owner suspected you were gay, you'd have to leave her coffee shop and have no legal recourse.

Why would any legal recourse be needed? The coffee shop owner is simply exercising his property rights. Nothing segregated about it.

Pass the law.

Then open a business that sells signs that say, "Gays Welcome".

*coin*

*cha-ching*

(sorry, didn't mean to offend Asians named Ching. Boy is my face red.)

(Sorry, didn't mean to offend native Americans with the "red" comment. Guess I'm a stupid "moron".)

(Sorry for saying "Moron's are stupid." I didn't want to offend progressives)

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Its akin to how Ron Paul gets labeled a racist.

Not because hes a Racist, but because he supports a free market solution to the issue.

If someone is dumb enough to loudly proclaim an unpopular view, as an example Racist, than by all means let them.

Let them loudly, so the free market can handle it, they should be opened to the ridicule and consequences of their opinion.

I never got the attitude of "Please government make people accept me where Im not wanted" Id much rather someone tell me to my face so that I can voice my displeasure with my wallet.

Otherwise you just silence them, and give them money anyway.

beezzer
Pass the law.

Then open a business that sells signs that say, "Gays Welcome".

*coin*

*cha-ching*

(sorry, didn't mean to offend Asians named Ching. Boy is my face red.)

(Sorry, didn't mean to offend native Americans with the "red" comment. Guess I'm a stupid "moron".)

(Sorry for saying "Moron's are stupid." I didn't want to offend progressives)

edit on 26-2-2014 by beezzer because: (no reason given)

You evil racist!

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As always Beezer, Satire to the point,

Which is an example of how the Free market could easily handle it.

beezzer


(sorry, didn't mean to offend Asians named Ching. Boy is my face red.)

Who you callin "Boy"???

olaru12

beezzer


(sorry, didn't mean to offend Asians named Ching. Boy is my face red.)

Who you callin "Boy"???

LMAO!

Apologies!!!!

Business' have the right to refuse anyone anyway.
The only reason Im against the law is because it's a stupid PR move. It's like making a law that says it's now legal to breath air.
We all do it anyway, we don't need the law.

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I have noticed some hilarious hypocrisy on the part of those proposed AZ law giving business owners the right to refuse service to gays on the basis of religious grounds.

I haven't missed the hypocrisy there.

It's not ok for business owners to 'discriminate' against gays, but it is totally ACCEPTABLE for business to DISRIMINATE against gun owners, and smokers.

Didn't miss that hypocrisy at all.

Many "Right Party People" are opposing the Law as well, Since the separation between church and state is in the Constitution no Religion can hold "Law", this Law is not about "Freedom" it's about protection for discrimination.

Why should we have to find another store? and if one store can do it what if the other does? what if they all do, i would have to travel further to find a store that will serve me?

The problem is precedent.

I agree that the gov should stay the hell out and let the market work itself out, fine.

HOWEVER.

This creates a scenario where now I can go to court and claim religious beliefs as a means to do all kinds of terrible things.

Libel, harassment, unlawful termination of employment, benefit denial and the list goes on.

So this is why a law that like that cannot stand as it gives preferential treatment to a whole sect of society based on VERY dubious and way too vague language.

~Tenth

The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

So no, actually you can't refuse service to someone just because you don't like them. Not if your business is one that serves the public. If you don't want to treat the populace which makes up the public then don't start up a business that serves the public. Start one that only serves private or select members only.

You can spin this new Discrimination Law anyway you want, it doesn't matter, it's discrimination of certain people of the public based upon one's personal bias and bigotry toward people you don't like, that's all it is. What's worse is that it's not going to end with Gay people either. Religious business owners will no doubt use Religion to justify all kinds of people to Discriminate against based on their interpretation of whatever religion they belong to. Do you realize how many various groups or individuals all the various religions have issues with??? Think about it. Muslims, Mormons, Catholics, Scientologists, Christians, etc. They all discriminate on basically everyone other then themselves but even discriminate against each other too for nothing more than differences in ideology.

Should Halal and kosher butchers be forced to prepare/sell the pork I want?

Should Christian greeting card companies not be allowed to refuse to make what they consider perverted or lascivious or vulgar cards?

Homosexuals have long been demanding state-approval and state protection. And the anti-Christian controllers of the media, the Gov't, the Universities are happy to accomodate them.

Darth_Prime
Many "Right Party People" are opposing the Law as well, Since the separation between church and state is in the Constitution no Religion can hold "Law", this Law is not about "Freedom" it's about protection for discrimination.

Why should we have to find another store? and if one store can do it what if the other does? what if they all do, i would have to travel further to find a store that will serve me?

Oh boo hoo, you might have to travel farther.....

Want to know why all of them wouldnt do it? The answer is one simply word: Profit.

Even if all of them did it, that would be a golden opportunity to open a business catering to whatever market you feel is being underserved.

Why should you have to find another store? Why should a business owner be forced to do business with someone they choose not to?

Are the rights of gays more important than the rights of business owners to you? A simple yes or no answer would be sufficient.

The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

Unless your a smoker or gun owner.

That applies to 'everyone' but them.

mOjOm


So no, actually you can't refuse service to someone just because you don't like them.

The civil rights act is a joke in an of itself. Government has no Constitutional authority to dictate who I must do business with.

Sure you can, just dont state that particular reason.

Countless business owners do it very frequently.

The fact that they cant explicitly state the reason is a violation of their rights.

Colored section, colored bathroom, colored water fountain, no Negros allowed, No blacks allowed, We don't serve N_____!

This was America not long ago.

Slippery slope.

Freedom must be protected on both sides of these issues, except where it is being applied out of hate, or discriminatory bias.

Freedom is the only choice.