Loretta Fuddy Death - Obama Birth Certificate. - New evidence

reply to post by hellobruce


What you don't understand is that butter would feel more at home in a legal system where people are guilty until they prove themselves innocent.

Maybe the old Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

reply to post by butterdezillion


In Georgia, one of the plaintiffs (David Welden) submitted President Obama's long form birth certificate pdf as evidence and used it to show that the President's father was not born in the United States. When they did that the entire birth certificate was entered into the record. Since Orly's experts could not show that that birth certificate was a forgery, Judge Malihi used it in his opinion to declare President Obama eligible.

CEHughes
reply to post by butterdezillion

 

In Georgia, one of the plaintiffs (David Welden) submitted President Obama's long form birth certificate pdf as evidence and used it to show that the President's father was not born in the United States. When they did that the entire birth certificate was entered into the record. Since Orly's experts could not show that that birth certificate was a forgery, Judge Malihi used it in his opinion to declare President Obama eligible.

That was based on the "full faith and credit" clause I believe.

The door may still be open because the Georgia Court saw no genuine "proof" either way, just "full faith and credit" assumed into a document without investigation.

Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, known as the "Full Faith and Credit Clause", addresses the duties that states within the United States have to respect the "public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state." According to the Supreme Court, there is a difference between the credit owed to laws (i.e. legislative measures and common law) as compared to the credit owed to judgments.[1] Judgments are generally entitled to greater respect than laws, in other states.[2] At present, it is widely agreed that this Clause of the Constitution has little impact on a court's choice of law decision,[3] although this Clause of the Constitution was once interpreted differently.

Full Faith and Credit Clause

xuenchen
The door may still be open because the Georgia Court saw no genuine "proof" either way, just "full faith and credit" assumed into a document without investigation.

Exactly what is there to investigate? We have a birth certificate, produced by the State of Hawaii, showing Obama was born in the USA, thus he is a natural born US citizen.

reply to post by hellobruce

Exactly what is there to investigate?

The possible (probable) corruption and bribery at high government levels in Hawaii that's what.

Happens a lot in the U.S. and many countries as well.

Pretty soon.......

Wait and see.

The answers are forthcoming.

reply to post by xuenchen


There is not a single shred of evidence that anyone in Hawaii has been bribed to do anything.

You are going to be very disappointed by that clown Zullo.

CEHughes
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There is not a single shred of evidence that anyone in Hawaii has been bribed to do anything.

You are going to be very disappointed by that clown Zullo.

"There is not a single shred of evidence"......in public that is.

"Zullo" and the "Sheriff" are likely shills for the Obama Campaign (as are most of those 200+ court cases that never had to prove anything to default).

There are other investigations happening. Not in the news either.

[ Waiting for the ticking clock ]

reply to post by xuenchen


Of course the clock is ticking down. It's clicking down to 01/20/2017.

hellobruce

xuenchen
The door may still be open because the Georgia Court saw no genuine "proof" either way, just "full faith and credit" assumed into a document without investigation.

Exactly what is there to investigate? We have a birth certificate, produced by the State of Hawaii, showing Obama was born in the USA, thus he is a natural born US citizen.

Simple common sense and casual observation call into question whether that document was valid. I'm pretty certain it's a forgery.

When certain nuances (i.e. the specific use of race) were called into question, the government's reaction (clamming up) cast more aspersions on their smug attitude.

Will you believe Putin when he proves Obama was ineligible? I love stirring the pot!!

reply to post by xuenchen

Wait and see.

The answers are forthcoming.

Well, we've been waiting for 6+ yrs now.

How much longer are we supposed to wait?

I think it's time to put a fork in this one...

3...2....1...

Snarl
Will you believe Putin when he proves Obama was ineligible?

What makes you think Putin even cares about the birther nonsense? Just how do you think Putin will do that?

xuenchen
There are other investigations happening. Not in the news either.

Sure their are.... what do you expect them to find?

[ Waiting for the ticking clock

Yes, real soon now the clock will tick down and stop dead.... It has only been 6 years, I am sure someone will find some evidence somewhere....

Snarl
Will you believe Putin when he proves Obama was ineligible?

hellobruce
What makes you think Putin even cares about the birther nonsense? Just how do you think Putin will do that?

I think Snowden knows and thus Putin knows and Obama is stuck in the mud.

Given Obama's responses to Putin's actions since Snowden took refuge in Russia, I would say there's a good chance Putin is holding the goods on Obama. Obama is "Knee-Shake'n" scared.

reply to post by CEHughes


No, I would feel more at home in a country that has due process and the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Where laws actually mean something. A place where it DOESN'T take more legal documentation to walk beans than it takes to hold the nuclear football.

Like America used to be. Like the supposedly supreme law of the land supposedly says we still supposedly are.

reply to post by CEHughes

Nothing that was submitted in Malihi's court was subject to the Federal Rules of Evidence or to cross-examination. If it had been, Orly or other attorneys could have requested to see the actual document and not just a pdf. A pdf doesn't have a raised seal or any of the things necessary for it to qualify as probative under FRE.

What happened in these court cases is a mockery of genuine legal processes. A big fart in everybody's face.

reply to post by butterdezillion


Nope - what happened was exactly the legal process as it (pretty much) always has been.

The only mockery going on is birthers still believing the nonsense.

butterdezillion
Nothing that was submitted in Malihi's court was subject to the Federal Rules of Evidence or to cross-examination.

Wrong again...

Orly or other attorneys could have requested to see the actual document

no they could not have - what makes you claim that?

What happened in these court cases is a mockery of genuine legal processes. A big fart in everybody's face.

So all because birthers have lost every silly court case they have attempted you claim it is a mockery of the legal process....

Have you ever stopped to actually think? The real reason birthers have lost every single court case they have attempted is they have no evidence, only lies and silly made up stories! They claim Obama was not born in Hawaii, was not a natural born US citizen etc etc, all those silly claims have no basis in any facts.

xuenchen

Snarl
Will you believe Putin when he proves Obama was ineligible?

hellobruce
What makes you think Putin even cares about the birther nonsense? Just how do you think Putin will do that?

I think Snowden knows and thus Putin knows and Obama is stuck in the mud.

Given Obama's responses to Putin's actions since Snowden took refuge in Russia, I would say there's a good chance Putin is holding the goods on Obama. Obama is "Knee-Shake'n" scared.

LOL

I wondered if anyone else might have put those two events together. His knees may be a-shakin' ... but it's a given a special part of his anatomy shriveled up too. Muahahaha.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Where in the Federal Rules of Evidence does it say that a pdf of a vital record means a dang thing? Full Faith and Credit isn't really even about vital records, but even if it was about vital records, Congress said that the way of certifying the acts of one state to another state is by having the certifying statement of the custodian of the record and the raised seal of that certifying custodian.

A PDF has no raised seal.

What I said before is a FACTUAL statement: Obama has never submitted any legal documentation that was subject to the Federal Rules of Evidence and to cross-examination, because not one stinkin' judge has acknowledged the legal right of every US citizen to have legal proof that the person who can send our children to war is qualified for the position. As the folks who count the number of eligibility lawsuits brag about (or alternatively, claim it is not the case and evidence was actually cross-examined in a lawsuit, depending on which argument seems more appealing at the time) - no judge has granted legal "standing". They all say it's none of our business.

It's just the lives of our children, is all. No biggie. It's just our country's continued existence. Just whether we will have our taxes audited because the regime doesn't like our speech and political activities (such as Tea Party...). It's just whether we can have a doctor. None of us is screwed any worse than everybody else so it's none of ANYBODY's business. That's what the judges have all said. Government apart from the people, by somebody else, and never the people's business - isn't that what our founding fathers said this country was supposed to be like? The elites screwing everybody else, and it being nobody's business? Isn't that what the Declaration of Independence, the War for Independence, and the US Constitution were all so bravely fought for - so we could all have the government do whatever they want without having to worry about what the little peons think, because the peons will always be told by the courts that nothing the government does is any of their stinkin' business? That's why we call ourselves the "land of the free and the home of the brave", right? Because we're helpless, pathetic little nobodies who can't do a thing about the powerful people who make all of the decisions for every facet of our lives.

reply to post by hellobruce


You are a waste of my time. Yes, it is. No, it isn't.l Yes, it is. No it isn't. That's the only "debate" you know to have. Nothing but a waste of time. Go sandbag somebody else. No document specifically saying Obama's legal birth facts, with a raised seal, has ever been submitted in a court where Federal Rules of Evidence were applied and cross-examination allowed. Period. That is a fact. Nothing you've said changes anything, it only wastes time trying to hide that fact.

I am not going to waste another minute on you.