Leave the kids alone! Common Core adopts Controversial Book

reply to post by TheConspiracyPages


"Perverts and degenerates" -- you use this term quite a bit. Do you have any basis for the belief that very well educated people that study trends and statistics are perverts and degenerates? I don't think you'll find any quantifiable numbers to support your accusations.

I'll respect your belief that professional people with years of both education and experience in the educational system may be what you claim, but please back your claims up somehow.

Komodo
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whoever ever this is.. pushing this agenda.. we the people need to crush it like whack-a-mole~!!!

It isnt a "who ever" issue. we all know who it is.

I dont like to beat on the left vs right dead horse here, but lets be honest, it is the left doing this. It is the idiotic left wing "progressive" mindset at work, nothing more.

I dont hear a single voice from the right side of the political spectrum trying to say this is ok.

This is not ok, this is criminal, I believe all 50 states have very explicit laws regarding intentionally exposing children to sexual content.

If I walk down the street and hand out pics of adult males and females masterbating I will be charged and jailed, and rightly so. So WTF is it ok for the government to do it?

It isnt, this is just more of the "it is ok if we do it, but you will be hanged in the public square if you do it" mentality of the progressives.

Please America, wake the F$%# up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AS I am reading the OP I start to wonder have there been cases where they found kids not masturbating correctly.


Then it occurred to me.

JohnPhoenix

xDeadcowx

This is not an easy issue, but i think its important to leave the emotional, knee-jerk, reactions at the door and approach this issue with a rational mind. Like it or not, but children are exposed to sexuality and pretending they are not will only make the problem worse. I don't have the answer except to say that education is the key to preventing disaster.

DC

Preventing disaster is fine but they aren't even doing that - no word at all in there about abstinence. Liberals don't want religion taught in schools but it's o.k. if you can tell a 10 year old in school that it's Perfectly Normal for a male to have anal sex with another male !! ???
That's Exactly like teaching Religion. It's forcing an opinion on a impressionable child that discourages the kid to think for himself but just to simply and blindly believe everything they are told.

That's Not education. That's Dictation by a Dictator.

edit on 25-2-2014 by JohnPhoenix because: sp

Exactly!!!!!

When I was a kid, my US history teach had 3 masters degrees in education history and world history. She taught me how to think, not what to think. She was by far the hardest to please instructor of my entire life, even in cannon fire direction control school in the ARMY in field artillery school the instructors were like kindergarten teaches compared to her. Her drive wasnt to tell us how history happened though, it was to open our minds to actually understand the things that had occured. To allow us to understand what happened, and much more important, why these things happened.

This is the difference, they are not teaching kids how to think today, they are teaching them what to think.

If you teach a child how to think, he will figure all the rest out himself.

If you teach a child what to think, he will only believe what he is told.

This is not very hard to understand, one way teaches individual thought, and coming to ones own conclusions based on their god given reason.

The other teaches that what your told is the only way, you have to listen to and believe what your told.

The latter is the way of the progressive mindset, which is very troubling to me honestly. There is no "ONE" way through this world, we all must tread a separate path and find our own way.

The belief that one size fits all is the epitome of stupidity, and it is the heart and soul of progressive thought in my 35 years of experience.

If everyone on the left for just 5 minutes stopped blindly following what they are told and thought for themselves for 5 minutes, the entire thing would come crushing down.

They act like the world hasnt been steadily improving for most constantly for the entire recorded history of man.

Things will not ever be made perfect, especially not in one or two generations.

Things are getting better though, all the time, and not because of them, but despite them.

Please America, WAKE THE F$%# UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

agnisvaha

TheConspiracyPages

Listen up people, it's time to crawl out of your caves and into the sunlight!

Actually, its well past time that people like yourself should be driven back into whatever holes your crawled out of.

I was actually referencing Plato's Allegory of the Cave, which rather appropriately is a comparison between education and the lack thereof and the effect it has on human nature. Have you ever seen the movie, The Croods? Thoroughly enjoyable.

TheConspiracyPagesThe people that believe teaching this kind of stuff to 8 year olds is a good thing, are monsters

Define monster?

TheConspiracyPages and I doubt very seriously that it's the children's benefit that they're looking out for.

So you believe that an entire generation of psychologists, health professionals and educators have a secret agenda to corrupt a child's innocence by educating them on the generalities of sexuality?

What about statistical, peer reviewed, evidence which shows that comprehensive sex education is effective in reducing teen pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases and the instances of adolescent intercourse?


* Baldo M et al. Does Sex Education Lead to Earlier or Increased Sexual Activity in Youth? Presented at the Ninth International Conference on AIDS, Berlin, 6-10 June 1993. Geneva: World Health Organization, 1993.

* Kirby D. Emerging Answers: Research Findings on Programs to Reduce Teen Pregnancy. Washington, DC: National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy, 2001.

Advocates for YouthYoung people need honest, effective sex education – not ineffective, shame-based abstinence-only programs.

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edit on 25-2-2014 by agnisvaha because: diction

Just to point out one major flaw in your logic here.

Over the last 30 years of liberals dictating how our children are educated teen pregnancies have skyrocketed, as well as teen STDs etc....

Sorry what were you saying again?

Do actually need me to link the data for you, or was that enough?

This is not an exchange you can win, the numbers prove your line of reason is effed the H up.

tencap77
You don't have to send your kids to a public indoctrination establishment, formerly known as a school. less kids in public school, less money they get, the less personnel they can hire and the public indoctrination establishments can DIE on the vine. funny thing is, why does the union agenda (communism) always get a pass? and the parents are villified if they even speak up. and the "educators" (I wanna barf for having to type that) wonder why parents NEVER want to talk to ANYONE from the schools they're kids attend. we get enough arrogant crap from our elected officials. don't need any from the commizars we call teachers. like the one that showed up to school so drunk she could barley stand. the cops probably told her fellow union hacks to keep her in the parking lot so it wouldn't make the union look bad. union hacks always thinking ahead and sticking together.

You STFU right now!!!!!

Every single intelligent person alive knows that unions have saved this country and always guarantee the finest people get the job, and never, NOT ONCE, keep rejects in a job they are obviously unqualified to hold.

How dare you talk bad about the liberal mindset!!???!!!

It is the only thing that can save the world from being free to think on its own, dont you understand that the union bosses only serve the best interest of all??!!!

They know better than you what is best for you, now be a good little sheep and STFU and do as your told. Only they can save you from your self, only they should make your decisions, only they should be able to say what is important about any subject.

Now get back to doing what your told, the world will be better for it!!!!

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It is interesting that people are still arguing over this since it has been exposed as a HOAX/DISSINFO.

There is a story here though. It is about those who pushed false information on the public to get a response.


Level 72 Trolling.

JHumm
And they wonder why kids are having sex and end up pregnant at younger and younger ages these days ...this is just rediclious.
I bet if someone sent this book to all of the lawmakers kids they would end up in jail or worse .

Sex Ed does not cause kids to have sex at a younger age, that would be pop culture and a general social shift in the West towards the acceptance and embrace of sexually liberal behavior.


Where sex out of wedlock is viewed as a cultural taboo, fewer people engage in it. Clearly, that is not the case in America.

Europeans have sex ed and a much more relaxed attitudes.

this article shows the European openness about sex ed and sex in general lowers the amount of abortions and stds. a little googling shows simular results.

I do agree that teaching kids how to masturbate isn't really necessary, but maybe starting sex ed around 12.
Education is always good ''
it's just the mater of timing for some subjects.


a link to a pdf of the book.

Actually i'd kinda like to see what some Europeans have to say about the sex ed that their kids get.

reply to post by MystikMushroom

"Perverts and degenerates" -- you use this term quite a bit. Do you have any basis for the belief that very well educated people that study trends and statistics are perverts and degenerates? I don't think you'll find any quantifiable numbers to support your accusations.
I'll respect your belief that professional people with years of both education and experience in the educational system may be what you claim, but please back your claims up somehow.

Numbers aren't required to make the statement that adults that want to show 8 year olds sexually explicit pictures and teach them to masturbate are perverts & degenerates. Of course if you read my post you'll notice that I expressed doubt that this this type of thinking applied to "an entire generation of psychologists, health professionals and educators" as the post I replied to suggested.

In this context, I don't really care how much education or experience in the educational system someone has, how many degrees they have or anything of the kind. I also don't care how many of them they are. If they want to show sexually explicit pictures to 8 year olds and teach them to masturbate, the scenario presented by the op, then they're perverts and degenerates.

I'm going to be charitable and assume you took my response out of context, both in regards to the scenario set up by the op and the post I was responding to. I'm also going to assume that what sometimes can seem like some very selective moderation here on ABT, is simply a result of a high volume of posts and a staff that can't get around to every single one.

Now I've said all I have to say about the matter.

( hoax or not it does raise some issues)

A book like this..

On the one hand:

- gives children a vocabulary for sex and sexual practice, important as this makes it harder for abusers to use ignorance of sex as a manipulation.
- gives kids an awareness that sex and their bodies feelings are not 'bad', this puts a brake on fear, on judgment determining later sexual choices and actions.
- normalizes sexual activity as opposed to constant mystifying of it, offering a path to resilience and more active participation in sexual choices on a wider scale, children may then be less likely to fall victim to internal fears and again, external manipulations - media, religious indoctrination etc..
- gives children a chance to ask questions parents mostly avoid, opening door for conversation based on frank information at school and in the home, a 'device to discussion'.

On the other hand:

- risks removing the joy and process of self and sexual 'discovery'.
- enforced, it risks unintentional or enforced maturation, information may be incompatible with psychology of the individual reading it.
- enforced, it usurps parental Authority and rights to determine the nature of their child's awakening to the sexual world.
- like any other tool, could be misused by abusers for grooming purposes.

This book from what I can see, isn't/wouldn't be teaching kids to do anything. Kids are already doing it...and parents need to grow up and accept that. By 8 most kids already have masturbated or at least mucked around and 'felt good' - and felt bad about feeling good - a number of times, even the most naive. What kid hasn't had a parent smack their hand away from their bodies with a whispered embarrassed ' not here ' or dont do that!'...by one and two yrs we are already setting up kids to view sex as wrong or bad or immoral or 'unacceptable' or of the hyper religious parents, base lining the indoctrinating of kids into sex shame cycles, a bad v good dilemma about their normal bodily functions.

As a book, in a library, made known that it is available for parents? Yes. In that context it is/would be a good book imo...esp if kids are fearing what they are feeling and doing or think they are abnormal' or parents fear a paraphilla may be forming. As a another tool in the bank against abuser grooming, vocab is very important...not knowing what an abuser is doing because you dont have the language to use, or anything to compare it to, is more commonly exploited by them than ppl think.

Enforced reading in a school though? Hm..tricky. Imo as a parent..as a activist for kids..no. Mind and body develop differently in each child..even in each cohort age group. It is not so much even about sexualisation as it is that enforced maturation that worries me as that creates a cognitive dissonance that is psychologically eroding and lasts way after sexual awareness has matured.

This book isn't/wouldn't be about perversion of sexual information to me, and it in itself is an a-moral not immoral tool that may be useful to parents and educators dealing with sexual confusion in kids. Imo, parental and societal fear and faith based moral judgements about sex are an abuse too, and these hidden abuses can affect children far more deeply and constantly than information about sex can...those judgments do the greater damage. Access to information about sex, that isn't based on porn or on media or religious bias is incredibly important to arming kids against ignorance.


Ro

There seems to be a lot of concern about masturbation in this thread? Children, as young as 2 or 3 years of age frequently masturbate or play with their genitalia even experiencing orgasm! A Ob/Gyn study found evidence that even an in utero fetus may masturbation! Talk about socially awkward!

If you support and encourage the illusion that sex; sexuality is somehow wrong or bad or even improper to discuss then the darkness of ignorance can never be exposed. Now everyone masturbate and have fun!

reply to post by ketsuko


There's nothing offensive in any of the materials used for sex education. If you think that children of lower grades can't be gang raped or pressured into sex whether sex is permeating all levels of society or not... that is pure ignorance.

reply to post by QueenofSpades


People have been having sex and getting pregnant at young ages forever. Women used to be married at 16, 15, or even as low as 12 or 13. In some countries they still do get married that young. In fact the having children in the 20's thing is the newer event. Music and social stigma aren't the cause of this.

Anyone thinking this is all perfectly natural should remember that it's perfectly "natural" for some species to eat their young or kill the offspring of their genetic competitors as lions do. We are part of nature but we're not animals.
Kids get plenty of sexual content just from tv, movies and internet. The schools role should be explaining the biology so they don't end pregnant or getting STD's.

Our society is sadly at odds with allowing kids to grow up at their own pace. Their biology starts telling them they're ready for sex in their early teens yet they are far age wise from being adults able to deal with the consequences of sexual activity and relationships. It's a very hard time for most children and one that should be handled by parents who know their child best.

This common core garbage undermines parental discretion in when and how sexuality should be discussed with their child. There is also a private and intimate aspect to sex that gets lost in this information overload. Where does "family" fit in with their concept of sexual education? I doubt it's even mentioned even though families are the end result of sexual activity and pair bonding.

Yes, kids need to know many things before they become sexually active and it's unfortunate that often parents are too uncomfortable to even discuss it with their child. This is not the way to do it and rather than informing them I think this material actually encourages sexual exploration.

Yet one more way to destroy the family and encourage promiscuity. Always the government seeking to fill the traditional role of fathers as providers (welfare) and protectors (anti-gun legislation). Make everyone dependent on government for things that the family and community used to provide.

I was very liberal and progressive for most of my younger years. My change in attitude is the result of seeing the disastrous effects liberal policies have had on American society. The less we rely on each other the more power we give the government over us. Common core is designed to further their reach in to our lives and those of our families.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


The story is a lie and should be placed in the hoax bin.

reply to post by MystikMushroom


I was raised in a very strict home, my extremely fundamentalist mother talked to me about sex, that was in the sixties.

I don't think it is necessary for the school system to be so graphic.

This is nothing more that governmental social engineering. Someone stated earlier in this thread that it was right from the pages of Brave New World; it absolutely is. The mentality even on this site is trending toward the idea that children should be brought up by State Conditioning Centers and not the parents. Who knows better than the Government what your child needs to learn.



So this excerpt from the book Brave New World could come to fruition:

"In a little grassy bay between tall clumps of Mediterranean heather, two children, a little boy of about seven and a little girl who might have been a year older, were playing, very gravely and with all the focussed attention of scientists intent on a labour of discovery, a rudimentary sexual game. "Charming, charming!" the D.H.C. repeated sentimentally. "Charming," the boys politely agreed. But their smile was rather patronizing. They had put aside similar childish amusements too recently to be able to watch them now without a touch of contempt. Charming? but it was just a pair of kids fooling about; that was all. Just kids. "I always think," the Director was continuing in the same rather maudlin tone, when he was interrupted by a loud boo-hooing. From a neighbouring shrubbery emerged a nurse, leading by the hand a small boy, who howled as he went. An anxious-looking little girl trotted at her heels. "What's the matter?" asked the Director. The nurse shrugged her shoulders. "Nothing much," she answered. "It's just that this little boy seems rather reluctant to join in the ordinary erotic play. I'd noticed it once or twice before. And now again to-day. He started yelling just now ..." "Honestly," put in the anxious-looking little girl, "I didn't mean to hurt him or anything. Honestly." "Of course you didn't, dear," said the nurse reassuringly. "And so," she went on, turning back to the Director, "I'm taking him in to see the Assistant Superintendent of Psychology. Just to see if anything's at all abnormal."

Oh but it is just erotic education at school. They need to know this stuff and it should be taught in a regulated manner according to the edicts of the government.

Hmm, based on the Huxley (snip) he understood that familiarity breeds contempt or perhaps his own contempt. The porn industry may be none to pleased with this development, it would seem that such a teaching curriculum, for the young, may carry with it as a consequence, the potential disillusionment of sexuality and all that it describes - at least if there is any truth to the subtleties contained within the quoted text.

reply to post by agnisvaha


Society cannot flourish with a scientific understanding alone. Turning sex into a mechanical function or in other words a means to an ends, you destroy emotion, feeling, and relationships. We as a society are already conditioned to "Consume." Ever more things are required, the programming has been so successful that there is no end to it.