Leave the kids alone! Common Core adopts Controversial Book

reply to post by agnisvaha


You know, this whole subject is just too creepy for me. There is no benefit in my further participation. I'll end up saying something I may regret.

See ya.

ausername
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You know, this whole subject is just too creepy for me. There is no benefit in my further participation. I'll end up saying something I may regret.

See ya.

Why is it creepy? Is something about sex dirty and disgusting for you?



Listen up people, it's time to crawl out of your caves and into the sunlight!

This is straight out the pages of Huxley's Brave New World.

Condition the children to sexual play, promote an immoral lifestyle that destroys the family so we all "belong" to the state. Obama and his handlers are using 1984 and Brave New World as playbooks, and the only reason why more people don't realize it and fight back is that... well, just like in BNW and 1984, TPTB have also been conditioning people not to read:

I'm curious... Where do we draw the line between exposing children and educating them?

Pretending sex doesn't exist and that anything sexual is wrong has not worked out too well so far. There are thousands of pregnancies from minors, so obviously they know how to do it. At what age do we, as a society, switch gears from avoiding the sex talk completely, to proper education on the matter?

I agree that 8 years old is too young, but in my generation most people hit puberty around 12 years old. These days children are hitting puberty at younger and younger ages, and with puberty comes curiosity and the drive to explore. I for one would rather the children have a little knowledge behind them before they get the drive to explore their own bodies and the desire to explore others.

This is not an easy issue, but i think its important to leave the emotional, knee-jerk, reactions at the door and approach this issue with a rational mind. Like it or not, but children are exposed to sexuality and pretending they are not will only make the problem worse. I don't have the answer except to say that education is the key to preventing disaster.

DC

Yep i agree.. This is porn for kids and should be illegal - Planned parenthood folks need to be Lynched on public Tv for this, as well as any Teacher School School Board that accepts this trash.

This is a DIRECT result of having No Morality in the USA. Yep, you Planned Parenthood/affordable care act (Obamacare) supporters are F'ing Stupid. You have no right to complain when the USA falls apart because YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

Are you a Parent who agrees with this? If so, I wanna know - WHY for gods sake - why for your child's sake.

You know back in the day 30 some years ago when sex education in schools was first talked about it was for The PURPOSE of educating teens of sexual consent age about AIDS and Safe Sex diseases etc - this seems like the exact opposite.

Ya know what.. lets just throw in the towel and let them teach satanism in class or S&M or tea bagging of all things - why not.. thats where we are heading if WE THE People don't stop this madness.

therealguyfawkes
Obama and his handlers are using 1984 and Brave New World as playbooks, and the only reason why more people don't realize it and fight back is that... well, just like in BNW and 1984, TPTB have also been conditioning people not to read:

Spot on Sir.
I've said this in several threads but it's ignored by most because they havent read the books and hence dont understand it.

I saw in someones sigy the following.

1984 was not an instruction manual.

At least that person understood.

xDeadcowx

This is not an easy issue, but i think its important to leave the emotional, knee-jerk, reactions at the door and approach this issue with a rational mind. Like it or not, but children are exposed to sexuality and pretending they are not will only make the problem worse. I don't have the answer except to say that education is the key to preventing disaster.

DC

Preventing disaster is fine but they aren't even doing that - no word at all in there about abstinence. Liberals don't want religion taught in schools but it's o.k. if you can tell a 10 year old in school that it's Perfectly Normal for a male to have anal sex with another male !! ???
That's Exactly like teaching Religion. It's forcing an opinion on a impressionable child that discourages the kid to think for himself but just to simply and blindly believe everything they are told.

That's Not education. That's Dictation by a Dictator.

reply to post by agnisvaha

Listen up people, it's time to crawl out of your caves and into the sunlight!

Actually, its well past time that people like yourself should be driven back into whatever holes your crawled out of. The people that believe teaching this kind of stuff to 8 year olds is a good thing, are monsters and I doubt very seriously that it's the children's benefit that they're looking out for.

TheConspiracyPages

Listen up people, it's time to crawl out of your caves and into the sunlight!

Actually, its well past time that people like yourself should be driven back into whatever holes your crawled out of.

I was actually referencing Plato's Allegory of the Cave, which rather appropriately is a comparison between education and the lack thereof and the effect it has on human nature. Have you ever seen the movie, The Croods? Thoroughly enjoyable.

TheConspiracyPagesThe people that believe teaching this kind of stuff to 8 year olds is a good thing, are monsters

Define monster?

TheConspiracyPages and I doubt very seriously that it's the children's benefit that they're looking out for.

So you believe that an entire generation of psychologists, health professionals and educators have a secret agenda to corrupt a child's innocence by educating them on the generalities of sexuality?

What about statistical, peer reviewed, evidence which shows that comprehensive sex education is effective in reducing teen pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases and the instances of adolescent intercourse?


* Baldo M et al. Does Sex Education Lead to Earlier or Increased Sexual Activity in Youth? Presented at the Ninth International Conference on AIDS, Berlin, 6-10 June 1993. Geneva: World Health Organization, 1993.

* Kirby D. Emerging Answers: Research Findings on Programs to Reduce Teen Pregnancy. Washington, DC: National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy, 2001.

Advocates for YouthYoung people need honest, effective sex education – not ineffective, shame-based abstinence-only programs.

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Sex needs a proper context and values. School provides neither of those. Ergo, all they are teaching is sex. Sex without values or context only arms a person to be a proper little animal with no control over his urges only a crude understanding of what they are.

But, I guess if we don't over-sexualize our children, how are they to get confused about their orientations and gender identifications?

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A value is merely something that is useful; advantageous and important, comprehensive sex education satisfies all three categories.

The whole story is a lie. It's not being taught in any public school, anywhere in the country.

Former Saturday Night Live cast member turned conservative gadfly Victoria Jackson is creating headaches for a Tennessee school district claiming they are using an explicit sex book in fourth-grade classes, according to the Tennessean. Last week Jackson posted on her blog that the Williamson County, Tennessee school district was using “It’s Perfectly Normal”, a book about sexual awareness geared towards students 10 years and up which shows explicit illustrations of nude bodies and talks about masturbation, in classrooms. After the story went viral, prompting calls to county school administrators to ask if the book was in classrooms, the school district was forced to issue a statement denying that book is a part of the curriculum and is not available at the schools. Director of Schools Mike Looney issued a statement late Thursday. “This accusation is simply not true,” Looney said. “Some people are spreading false information claiming that Williamson County Schools uses the book ‘It’s Perfectly Normal.’ These individuals appear to be maliciously maligning WCS for personal or political gain. This book is not a part of the school district’s curriculum and is not in any of our school libraries. Students have no access to this book through Williamson County Schools. False claims such as these interfere with the work of the district.” Jackson, who is currently running for a candidate for a seat Williamson County Commission, responded on her blog Saturday, denying any political motivations. “I did not write the textbook story for personal or political gain. (Maybe some people go into public service for that reason. I do not know Mike Looney’s salary, but I heard it is over $ 200,000 and he just got a raise, when Williamson County is over 500 million in debt.),” she wrote.

Raw Story

reply to post by Auricom


The problem with that is, there are a lot of busy parents or very fundamentally religious parents that wouldn't teach their children anything at all. It may be to embarasing, there might be sexual abuse going on, or they may find the entire subject "icky and taboo" to talk about.

My SO was raised in a very devout home, and didn't understand how birth control worked until she was in college. It would have been easy for some guy to have convinced her into having sex and possibly pregnant. Many of her friends that were raised the same way ended up pregnant at 16 and "disappearing" only to wind up in a trailer park a few years later.

She asked me "how many" girls in my high school got pregnant when I went ... I told her in my graduating class of over 500, I didn't think any of them. Her eyes got wide and she couldn't believe me -- as she had at least 4-5 "proud moms waddle across the stage".

Shouldn't we be trying to get kids NOT to be having kids? Not teaching them anything at all or hoping that parents will buck up and BE parents by teaching them seems risky to me.

Now, from the snippets posted in this thread of the actual book -- I don't think it needs to be THAT graphic or at that young of an age. I think that kids who are actually going through puberty and growing hair in funny places could benefit from a very basic, bland sex-ed course that could be opted out of if the parents so chose. That's how it worked in my school. We had sex ed in 6th grade. The boys went with a male teacher, all girls with a female teacher. If the parents didn't want them to participate, they didn't have to, as alternative assignments in the library were made available.

Besides, most kids have seen more graphic stuff on the internet due to poor parenting these days anyway.

reply to post by agnisvaha

So you believe that an entire generation of psychologists, health professionals and educators have a secret agenda to corrupt a child's innocence by educating them on the generalities of sexuality?

Perverts & Degenerates one and all, though I doubt this kind of thinking has the absolute consensus that "an entire generation" implies.

What about statistical, peer reviewed, evidence which shows that comprehensive sex education is effective in reducing teen pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases and the instances of adolescent intercourse?

"Peer reviewed" says it all, perverts and degenerates placing their stamps of approval on each other's work and interpreting the raw data. No real mystery there.

agnisvaha
I think explaining sexuality to children, in the age group defined, is very progressive and healthy. It would seem that nature isn't in disagreement regarding the material or the age group if she is the fulcrum whereby the sexual biology of some becomes viable. Additionally, with the increasingly irresponsible economic exploitation of sexuality and it's resulting desensitization; demystification for the young, such a curriculum seems appropriate allowing the young mind to apply criticality to the sexual culture they are a part of and have been formerly shielded from.

i think you have it wrong, i think a book like that will make it EASIER to SEXUALLY EXPLOIT CHILDREN. why? because as the book says as a title "it's perfectly normal", it is setting those innocent kids up, as they are showing sexual acts and calling it normal, thus acceptable, nothing out of the ordinary. so when someone molests these kids why would they think it is wrong? according to what the book is telling them, is that this is normal. after seeing "kids" in the book having sex and masturbating, why would they think doing the same in front of a camera is wrong?

pedophiles must be clapping their hands at this pre-training of young children for them. no longer will they have to show their victims what to do they will be all ready to go, and less likely to say anything as from this book they will understand that sex is normal and a good thing to do.

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Thank you, I'll sleep much better tonight.

reply to post by generik


I would have to politely disagree because it seems that a child would be aware, after being taught from such a book, what seduction is and then be able to identify such behavior in others. I think being more open about sexuality instead of shaming it (as has been the norm since Christ was hung on a cross) would allow children to more easily speak about abuse or attempted abuse because their is no more taboo to instill fear. I'm certain that any competent sex education curriculum MUST explain sexual exploitation and/or abuse and what to do if it occurs without instilling, fear, terror or shame.


Unfortunately, as someone just mentioned, our children are going to have to continue to endure sexual shame, ridicule, and exploitation because parents are to uninformed an under-educated themselves to see such a curriculum as beneficial. I'm in my forties and I didn't even properly understand how a girl became pregnant until I was in the 10th grade! (16).

You don't have to send your kids to a public indoctrination establishment, formerly known as a school. less kids in public school, less money they get, the less personnel they can hire and the public indoctrination establishments can DIE on the vine. funny thing is, why does the union agenda (communism) always get a pass? and the parents are villified if they even speak up. and the "educators" (I wanna barf for having to type that) wonder why parents NEVER want to talk to ANYONE from the schools they're kids attend. we get enough arrogant crap from our elected officials. don't need any from the commizars we call teachers. like the one that showed up to school so drunk she could barley stand. the cops probably told her fellow union hacks to keep her in the parking lot so it wouldn't make the union look bad. union hacks always thinking ahead and sticking together.

reply to post by Kali74


It doesn't change some of the material they do use and the sexually explicit nature of it. There was the poster in a Kansas middle school classroom about ways to express sexual feelings that listed all kinds of sex acts on it. There are the kinds of literature they are asked to use as exemplar texts that feature explicit sexual imagery including anal sex, butt plugs, gang rapes and incest. Now, some of the texts in question would be acceptable for older children, high school or 8th grade, but these are kids as young as 5th and 6th grade doing the reading, seemingly just as soon as they can decode the language, not necessarily as soon as they are ready to be challenged by the concepts.

Why do we need to inject sex into every facet of our society? When did that become the norm?

JohnPhoenix

xDeadcowx

This is not an easy issue, but i think its important to leave the emotional, knee-jerk, reactions at the door and approach this issue with a rational mind. Like it or not, but children are exposed to sexuality and pretending they are not will only make the problem worse. I don't have the answer except to say that education is the key to preventing disaster.

DC

Preventing disaster is fine but they aren't even doing that - no word at all in there about abstinence. Liberals don't want religion taught in schools but it's o.k. if you can tell a 10 year old in school that it's Perfectly Normal for a male to have anal sex with another male !! ???
That's Exactly like teaching Religion. It's forcing an opinion on a impressionable child that discourages the kid to think for himself but just to simply and blindly believe everything they are told.

That's Not education. That's Dictation by a Dictator.

edit on 25-2-2014 by JohnPhoenix because: sp

Look, i understand. There is a fine line between advocating and educating. The issue i see is that there is no doubt there will be some people who will eventually be having anal sex. Should we avoid the issue altogether and pretend it doesnt exist? I see that as being just as bad as promoting it.

Fact is, it will happen. I would rather they are educated about the risks and how to be safe before it does happen.

10 may be too young for the safety part of the education, but its not far off.

IMO this conversation should not be about IF children are educated, but when and how they are educated.

DC