Will be Ukraine Civil War the very last trigger of WWIII? Is this the accomplishment of Garabandal?

greavsie1971
What is garabandal?

It's a HOAX from the 1960s .. out of Spain. Four girls claimed to see the Virgin Mary and to receive 'messages' from her. They ran around backwards in the dark of night, screaming their bloody heads off about horrible things that were going to happen on earth. They made some predictions - none of them have come true and a few have become impossible to have happen. They later admitted it was a hoax. One has since died.

ETA ... here - ATS Quick Guide to Modern False Apparitions and False Seers I made this a while back for quick reference. Garbandal is there ...


So to answer the OPs question ... no, nothing happening in the world today has anything to do with Garbandal because .. it's an admitted hoax.

reply to post by The angel of light

I think it is quite clear, is not only St Mary who is adopting John , and in him symbolically the ordinary human beings also as her sons, protected under her motherhood, but also a clear commandment of Jesus to her.

How is it clear when the text says nothing like that?

Commentaries, reading between the lines, ingrained dogma?

reply to post by FlyersFan

They made some predictions - none of them have come true and a few have become impossible to have happen.
They later admitted it was a hoax. One has since died.

Once again, FF, you have cleared confusing and weird things up for me.

greavsie1971
I wish the catholics would stop calling themselves christian as this type of thing along with all the 'mary worship,'

- Catholics ARE Christian.
- Catholics don't worship Mary.
- Garabandal is an admitted hoax .. the Catholic Church doesn't accept it.

Try reading a bible instead of this man made stuff.

Dude ... the bible IS man-made. And large chunks of the Old Testament have been completely debunked.

reply to post by The angel of light


Khazars and King Bulan still at it I see.
Fascinating stuff.

reply to post by Chamberf=6


ATS Thread - A Review and Analysis of the Garbandal Prophecies

Here is the mega-ATS-thread about Garbandal.
Everything you need to know ... and whole lot that you don't want to know as well.
ENJOY.

FlyersFan
reply to post by Chamberf=6

 

ATS Thread - A Review and Analysis of the Garbandal Prophecies

Here is the mega-ATS-thread about Garbandal.
Everything you need to know ... and whole lot that you don't want to know as well.
ENJOY.

Thanks.

I predict a lot of face-palming in my near future.

greavsie1971
What is garabandal?

I believe garabandal is an evil wizard and sworn enemy of the Smurfs. He also has a cat Azrael. Notice how close it is to the name Israel?

reply to post by Chamberf=6


I think it is required precision on your statements, I sincerely has not yet found any reference that says, after checking
computer searches over tons of documentaries on Garabandal, saying at least once that any of the seers said that the
great miracle was going to occur within a Year.

Nevertheless, I certainly found that there was a visible miracle in that time frame that still resist scientific explanations, and it is the one of the miraculous apparition of the holy Communion in the mouth of one of the children:

whatisgarabandal.blogspot.com...

Now, the reason for which I associate the great warning with the asteroid that exploided over The ural region in Russian in February of 2013, since it matches ,with a margin of error of less than a month within the expected celestial phenomenon announced by a man that lives in USA, that was interested in Garabandal, talking on the topic after many years:

His name is Frank Albas , he clearly referred to the striking of a comet of asteroid on earth, and he even prevented he felt it was going to be over Russia.


www.youtube.com...=12

www.rosesfromheaven.com...


Please compare by yourself:

en.wikipedia.org...


Thanks

The Angel of lightness

I don't think it is productive to debate which sect interprets prophecy correctly. It is a matter of faith unless it comes to pass and if it does the argument is solved simply by looking at the facts as they unfold.

I for one do not believe in any flavor of Christianity, nor do I expect literal fulfillment of any prophecy, however I do think that religion addresses recurring themes in human events that spring from fundamental flaws in our way of living, so things do occasionally follow the script, and there could even be an unseen world from which these insights come.

The Garabandal prophecies in and of themselves are nothing new and special; God's gonna be home from work any minute and when he finds out you didn't listen to mommy you're gonna be in big trouble.

Mostly when I hear about Garabandal, I hear it in the context of Fatima though. Officially, the Fatima prophecies were given during WWI, though none of them were revealed until after being fulfilled. They blamed WWI on godlessness and said consecrate Russia or it will happen again.

The third of the Fatima secrets involved persecution of the church and the possible assassination of a pope. It was supposed to be revealed in 1960, but was not revealed until 2000, and it is disputed based on alleged leaks whether or not the whole secret was revealed then.

As the ATS audience might be familiar with, the classic Art Bell interviews with a priest named Malachi Martin between 1996 and 2000 suggested that Garabandal was a response to the church not revealing the third secret of Fatima, which he claimed included an as of yet unrevealed portion indicating an infiltration of the church by an evil agenda.
This matches the Garabandal message that many priests and higher officials are leading believers into perdition.

The character of the sign in the sky is also suggested by Martin, who pointed out the auroras of Jan 25 1938 which caused fire departments across europe to go in search of a massive blaze that did not exist yet was recognized by Hitler as a sign of time to draw blood.
Martin, who may have been speaking from knowledge of prophecies, spoke mostly about 2000, but the latest timeframe he mentioned was saying in 1996 that the anti Christ is "not 20 years distant".

It is very interesting that we have the following conditions:
1. A bishop of questionable papal status (Ratzinger or Francis, depending how you care to interpret their rare situation) who may explain the confusion over whether or not the man killed in the 3rd Fatima vision was pope. (Previously this was often interpreted as suggesting an attack on a conclave).

2. The reemergence of an opportunity for what seemed like an outdated cold war based prophecy to play out, in the last 2 years of the time frame suggested by an insider.

3. This overlapping with the last papacy accounted for in the "prophecy of the popes".

It really is time for a few predictions to pan out or be forgotten. If nothing else it makes it more fun to flip the calendar. But if we don't get three days of darkness or time freezing so the whole world can take stock sometime in the next 2 years I'll be completely done with my interest in this.

reply to post by FlyersFan

FlyersFan,

it is quite easy and does not require just a gram of intelligence to come to this thread without just one only single
serious source, supporting your so dared supposedely "Catholic" beliefs or disbeliefs on Garabandal.

The fact is that seems to me that the apparent "confession of hoax" by the seers of Garabandal only exist in your
mind, you don't have nothing concrete to show here, apart of your own words.

Your opinions are not more than just that, there is no serious catholic statement attacking Garabandal as a hoax. There can be skepticism from some sectors of the church but nothing of the magnitude you have claimed exist.

To the contrary Garabandal is not only authentic vision because what Conchita Gonzalez has to say about it, and
she still insist along many years that her vissions were absolutely true, but because people of the prestige of
Mother Theresa of Calcutta or Father Pio, that are real authorized well credited Catholics said on it

Conchita Gonzalez seer talking of Gabarandal twenty years later of the visions:

www.youtube.com...


Notice that her interview given in New York city was granted to the BBC , a broadcasting media organization of a non catholic country as it is England.


Father Pio on Garabandal:

www.garabandal2017.com...

whatisgarabandal.blogspot.com...

Mother Theresa on Garabandal:

www.mensagemdegarabandal.com...

whatisgarabandal.blogspot.com...


Both supported completely the authenticity of Garabandal, and not once, but in multiple occasions that they were
interviewed on the topic.

www.mysticsofthechurch.com...

These were actual real Catholics expressing their complete confidence in Garabandal, not obscure people coming here with
only God knows what intention to boycott the thread with false statements.

I don't know if Chamberf is going to spend his time applauding so cheap replies, like the ones you have left in this thread, but I am quite sure a serious reader is going to demand from you more than simple your word on all the so funny false claims you have expressed here.

thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

reply to post by FlyersFan


A source would go a long way on the supposed confession of a hoax. While the church has repeatedly stated that there is no evidence of it being supernatural and that it had never officially supported anything about it, I didn't see anything about a hoaxer confessing, and many Catholics of note have embraced the message as a simple restatement of Catholic doctrine (which in itself was more in line with children seeking approval than supernatural revelation, but is not the same as a confessed hoax).

UnBreakable

greavsie1971
What is garabandal?

I believe garabandal is an evil wizard and sworn enemy of the Smurfs. He also has a cat Azrael. Notice how close it is to the name Israel?

How dare you mock a historic figure like Gargamel and use his name in vain. Not ok and Azrael agrees (he will be talking to his superiors in Israel) and I will be reporting your scrabbles to proper channels. Even the Smurfs are appalled.

Meanwhile you can discuss virgin Mary and her poetry instead

IMHO Ukraine will settle down but the future in Europe (and eventually the rest of the world) is a bit frightening to say at least.

reply to post by The angel of light


The fact that you used answersingenesis as a source for your op just throws your whole OP into question. I'm going to say that nothing in your op will transpire.

The angel of light
The fact is that seems to me that the apparent "confession of hoax" by the seers of Garabandal only exist in your
mind,

Wrong.

Your opinions are not more than just that,

I stated facts. Not opinion. It's an admitted hoax

To the contrary Garabandal is not only authentic visio

Garabandal isn't an 'authentic vision'. The Catholic church has NOT approved it. In fact, three times it could have, and it denied that it was supernatural.

people of the prestige of Mother Theresa of Calcutta or Father Pio,

Irrelevant. Mother Teresa and Padre Pio can make mistakes. They are not the church. They have no say in what is authentic and what isn't. And the Padre Pio Center in Barto PA will tell you that Padre Pio did NOT state that Garbandal is authentic. That's a fraudulent claim that Garbandal devotees claim.

on all the so funny false claims you have expressed here.

Oh stop it. I posted no 'funny false claims'. I posted facts.

The angel of light
and it is the one of the miraculous apparition of the holy Communion in the mouth of one of the children:

The girl Conchita admitted that she stole the eucharist and faked the 'eucharistic miracle'.

Original Church Statement on Garbandal - 2001
English translation of Church statement and addition Garabandal Information showing it to be false
Bishop of Santander - Statement that Garbandal has no evidence of supernatural
Theotokos.Org
Point by point on the Bishops statement -

All the bishops in the Dioceses, from 1961 to 1970, stated they had no evidence to support the
supernatural nature of the apparitions that some people claimed were happening at that time.

2- In the month of December 1977 Mon. del Val, Bishop of Santander, expressed his agreement
with his predecessors, and stated that in the six years he had been at the Bishopric there had
been no other phenomenon.

Roman Catholic Info

All of the children have reportedly retracted all belief in the miracles.

False Prophesies:

A locution told the children that Pope Paul VI would live to see the Great Miracle. This is problematic, because Pope Paul VI entered eternity on August 6, 1978.

In Conchita's diary one can read (p.164, Dutch edition) that Pope Paul VI knew the date of the Great Miracle.

The “Virgin” promised that St. Padre Pio would witness the miracle. St. Padre Pio entered eternity on September 23, 1968.

One of the locutions received by the children included the prediction that there would be only three more popes until "the end of the times." Pope John XXIII was the pope at that time. Since then, we have had Popes Paul VI, Pope John Paul I, and Pope John Paul II.

Since Pope John Paul II was Pope John XXIII's third successor, Pope John Paul II, according to the prophecies associated with the visions at Garabandal, should have been the last pope. This is problematic, because Pope John Paul II entered eternity on April 2, 2005, there has been no warning and no miracle, and Pope Benedict XVI has been validly elected by the conclave of cardinals and has been the reigning pontiff since April 19, 2005.

Garabandal Information

Conchita reportedly admitted to Father J. Pelletier that she herself had stolen the Host from the tabernacle for the so-called mystical communion.

Just before the visions in Garabandal the four seers had stolen apples. The first vision reportedly began when the girls decided to steal some apples from a schoolteacher's tree. An unseen force reportedly forced the girls to their knees. In this first apparition they saw what appeared to be a holy angel.

Conchita was reportedly often caught in contradictions.

Not to mention the fact that all this supposed visionary stuff was going on in the dark of night ... with the girls running backwards ... striking impossible grotesque poses ... and screaming their bloody heads off. Not exactly 'heavenly'.

And there is also Joey Lomingino. The poor man has no eyes and was told by the girls that Mary promised him new eyes. He has been waiting decades and decades for the miracle to happen. And now he's a very old man with dementia needing assistance to live (Last I heard, assisted living type arrangements). Obviously the girls LIED to Joey ... or an evil spirit pretended to be Mary and told them a lie. Even if he were to get 'new eyes' tomorrow, he's a very old man and out of his mind with dementia. It's CRUEL. CRUEL CRUEL CRUEL. He wasted his life promoting Garbandal and wasted his life waiting on a miracle that will never happen.

reply to post by The Vagabond


Yes, Dear Vagabond, you are quite right, there is nothing really serious in behind those bold statements of a Hoax and a
confession that never actually happened.

Those happy statements possibly only measures the desperation of some circles to try to deviate the Attention of the people knowing that they don't have nothing in their own organizations to show of the same level of Garabandal, and so that they are either compulsive skeptical, relatively strange to the subject itself or mere bad
imitators of what ever they claim to be.

I feel that the "hoax confession" exists only in the mind of this person that came here thinking, that we are going first to believe
that indeed is a truly Catholic, and second that everybody is going to follow so bold claims with just no single evidence
supporting them.

Such kind of arrogance reach the limit of what is absurd and ridicule, I am afraid here there is a huge misunderstanding,
this is not a thread about who is better comedian than Mr Bean, this is about a truly serious subject.

I feel FlyersFan replies are not only ridicule, but a horrendous insult to the intelligence of the members of this forum, all
what she have to show in her support probably is coming from organizations that are involved in misinformation of the
public, no serious researcher might risk his neck to backup such extremely bold claims that can be false by the way.

NOTICE THAT THIS PERSON IS TALKING IN THE NAME OF POPES AND OTHER HIGH AUTHORITIES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
WITH NO SOURCES SUPPORTING ITS CLAIMS, NO REFERENCES, NO PUBLISHED PAPERS OR BOOKS FROM CATHOLIC ORIGIN,
NO LINKS AT ALL TO WEBSITES OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, NO SOLID SOURCES AT ALL. THOSE STATEMENTS ARE
JUST PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS OF VERY DOUBTFUL ORIGIN.

I HAVE INSTEAD POSTED IN THIS THREAD ACTUAL INTERVIEWS, LINKS THAT EVERYBODY CAN CHECK, THERE IS NOTHING
IN BELOW THE TABLE FROM MY SIDE, I AM NOT HERE POSTING MERE PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS BUT ACTUAL FACTS, AND
WITH EVIDENCES IN EACH CASE.

I HAVE POSTED DIRECT SPEECHES OF THE WITNESSES, NOT OF EVERYBODY ELSE THAT LISTENED THEIR STORY OR COMING FROM THE
LOCAL ECLESIASTIC AUTHORITIES. I sincerely don't want to enter in judgments of why this person is saying this, but it does not look really seriously thought, it has the appearance of a very inprudential conclusions.


Here it is a video taking to another of the original seers of Garabandal in 1983, this time Jacinta, in which she insist on
the authenticity of the visions and the message coming with them,

www.youtube.com...

Also there an interview of 1984, with other of the seers, this time Mary Loli, and she also defend the authenticity of
the visions with the Holy Virgin St Mary.

www.youtube.com...


and once more, here an interview of Amalia, this time of 1995, another of the original seers of Garabandal, she is also
insisting in the authenticity of the visions.

www.youtube.com...


thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

reply to post by The Vagabond

No problem ... I just provided information ... some straight from the Bishop of Garabandal.

Also ... one of the so-called prophecies of Garbandal was the girls saying that they'd all deny the apparition. Garabandal devotees all point to the prophecy of denial to explain away the behavior of the girls later on ... they say it fulfills the so-called prophecy. Garabandal devotees are actually kinda proud of the fact that the girls denied the apparition ... to them it's a fulfillment of the supposed prophecy about denial.

More -

Garabandal Info - more

One of the first prophecies came early in the events in 1961 and was somewhat enigmatic. After the visionaries came out of ecstasy, the onlookers wanted to know, as usual, what the Vision had said to them: "What did the Virgin tell you this time?" The girls looked at each other as if in consultation. Their interrogators pressed them, "Well, tell us!"

"We don't understand very well," they replied.

"Well tell us just the same."

The girls said that the Virgin has told them: "A time will come when all four of you will contradict yourselves about the visions; when your families will have doubts about them; when you too will doubt and even deny them."

"Is that all?"

"No. The Virgin added, 'In this way you will establish among yourselves the same confusion that now exists in the Church.'"

A priest present strongly protested: "This isn't the Virgin who is appearing. There is no confusion in the Church. It is the Devil speaking."[Tout le Peuple l'Ecoutait by Robert Francois.]

The prophecy concerning the visionaries' doubts and denials came to pass as foretold. By January of 1963, Mari Cruz, Jacinta and Mari Loli, were no longer having visions, and almost immediately they began to doubt. Mari Cruz was the first to actually deny having seen the Virgin.

But August 15, 1966, was a landmark day in the progression of the visionaries' doubts for on this day Conchita and Mari Loli began to be assailed by "deep doubts." Pictures taken of the two on that day show them with forlorn faces. Conchita was suddenly overwhelmed with the belief that she was deceiving everyone and felt compelled to confess to the new parish priest Father Jose Olano " ....

reply to post by The angel of light

I think it is required precision on your statements, I sincerely has not yet found any reference that says, after checking computer searches over tons of documentaries on Garabandal, saying at least once that any of the seers said that the great miracle was going to occur within a Year.

It was a site about Garabandal that came up easily in a search: garabandal.com... ...the second result in a Google search in fact.
But I was in error in saying it was in your OP, it came up in a simple search after reading your OP.-- .com instead of .us

I don't know if Chamberf is going to spend his time applauding so cheap replies,

I have asked you questions, some which you replied to with opinion more than facts (Mary being instructed to be mother to ALL man). Instead you replied that it was "obvious." Hardly proof when the text says no such thing., but an answer that sows a nice fat plump seed of doubt about the rest of your posts.

The issue of the tales from Garabandal and their interpretation are not recognized by the church as miraculous ( a church who has sainted some rather questionable figures -- as well as upright ones) and to say that the very young girls would later deny their claims is proof of their claims is tenuous validation at best.

And there is this from Msgr. Jose Vilaplana, Bishop of Santander, Spain

1. All the bishops of the diocese from 1961 through 1970 asserted that the supernatural character of the said apparitions, that took place around that time, could not be confirmed. [no constaba].*
2. In the month of December of 1977 Msgr. del Val, Bishop of Santander, in union with his predecessors, affirmed that in the six years of being Bishop of Santander there were no new phenomena.
3. Not withstanding, the same Msgr. del Val, the first years having passed in which there was confusion to enthusiasm, initiated an interdisciplinary study in order to examine with greater profundity these phenomenon. The conclusion of this study coincided with the previous findings by the bishops, which is to say, that it does not prove [no consta] the supernaturality of said apparitions.

...In the same letter it was suggested, if I find it opportune, to publish a declaration in which it is re-affirmed that the supernaturality of the referenced apparitions was not proven, making my own the unanimous position of my predecessors.

6. Given that the declarations of my predecessors, who studied the case, have been clear and unanimous, I do not find it necessary to have a new public declaration that would give notoriety to something which happened so long ago. However, I find it opportune to redact this information as a direct response to the persons who ask for direction concerning this question, which I give finally, accepting the decisions of my predecessors and the direction of the Holy See.

www.ewtn.com...

reply to post by FlyersFan


Again FlyersFan,

it is quite clear for me that you don't understand really the way the Catholic church works as a corporative organization into assume authenticy or deny it to a supposed miracle.

First at all, it takes years to arrive to any conclusion with respect to it, second it is not a single authority the one that decides that, even the Pope does not proceed without a cause of investigation previously open by the congregation of the defense of the faith and by qualified experts advising it. This include the opinion of physicians, psychiatrists and psychologists of course.

Any Church is very cautious in to compromise its prestige favoring or discrediting a miracle at once, but the Roman Catholic one is even more prudent in that aspect, after all it is an institution of 2000 Years old.

ONE THING IS THAT A BISHOP EXPRESSES HIS PERSONAL SKEPTICISM OF THE NATURE OF THE MIRACLE and other very different is that THERE IS AN OFFICIAL CATHOLIC POSITION, AS A CHURCH, WITH RESPECT TO GARABANDAL. That also respond to your friend, Chamberf, about why this vision has not yet been recognized officially, in distinction of, for instance, Fatima, since that is older in around 50 years.

MOREOVER, YOUR INITIAL STATEMENTS ON GARABANDAL AUTHENTICITY WERE NOT THAT THE OPINION OF THE BISHOP OF SANTANDER DIDNT FAVOR THE VISIONS, BUT THAT THERE WAS A CONFESSION OF THE SEERS OF A HOAX, THAT IT IS NOT CERTIFIED AT ALL, SO BELONGS TO THE TERRITORY OF SPECULATION.

THE MOST You can say without falling in ridicule is that THAT You have READ THAT SOMEBODY HAS SAID THAT KNOWS SOMEBODY THAT BELIEVES HAS TALKED WITH SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS A WITNESS.


LET ME FINISH THIS SAYING THAT ALSO MONSENOR GUILLERMO SHULENBURG, THAT WAS ABBOTT OF GUADALUPE IN MEXICO, CLAIMED JUST ABOUT A DECADE AGO THAT THE MIRACLE NEVER EXISTED, THAT IT WAS A MYTH, JUST TO FINISH EXCOMUNICATED BY THE POPE. OF COURSE, later it was found that HE HAD PROFITED ALOT, IN PERSONAL ECONOMIC ASPECTS, of the collection in the basilica along many years, he built a personal capital stolen donations and so HE WAS GUILTY OF CORRUPTION ACTS IN ADMINISTRATING IT.

en.wikipedia.org...-1

www.nytimes.com...


THIS CASE IS CLEAR EXAMPLE THAT SHOWS THAT NO BISHOP HAS AUTHORITY TO CERTIFY OR DISCREDIT A VISION, IN SPITE IF IT HAPPENED IN HIS TERRITORY, THAT IS MUST BE DECIDED ONLY BY A COMPLETE SINOD, of Cardinals not of Bishops, ADVISING THE POPE IN THE HOLY SEE.

Thanks for expand your initial claims showing also the nature of what you believe is a good evidence supporting them, but I am afraid that the more you can say is that the Bishop was not sure of the supernatural origin of the visions. Anything else beyond that point is your personal interpretation or the personal opinion of somebody that was never a witness of the miracle.

By the way the MIRACLE OF THE COMMUNION in the mouth of the Child WAS FILMED ENTIRELY BY PRESS MEDIA, and the movie does not give any opportunity of the version of the supposed trick to stole it from the altar as you also expect we must believe. So that part of the supposed "confession of hoax" is COMPLETELY FALSE.

www.youtube.com...

The Angel of Lightness

The angel of light
it is quite clear for me that you don't understand really the way the Catholic church works ...

Dude .. don't even go there. You have no idea what my background is and how long I spent in a Catholic religious order. I'm probably MUCH better versed in how the Catholic church works then you. And I'm not the topic ...


Again .. I provided the information from the Church itself. 8 bishops in a row stated nothing supernatural. And it's been 50 years since the alleged apparitions so they've had plenty of time to say otherwise. They haven't.

I provided information from a PRO-Garabandal source stating clearly that the apparition itself supposedly prophecied that the girls would deny the apparition .. and they did deny it ... and Garabandal devotees point to that with glee saying it 'fulfills prophecy'.

Bottom line - The girls denied what happened.

Now toss on top of that, all the running backwards and grotesque poses in the dark of night .. and the 'night of screams' that the girls screamed their fool heads off while a eucharistic celebration was going on inside the church ... and all denials .. and all the so-called prophecies that failed ... add that up and you get fake or demonic. Take your pick.

Back in the 1990s I was an apparition hopper. I did it all. I went to Medjugorje and Betania and Conyers and Emmitsburg. etc etc ... I got all the magazines including Garbandal. I remember reading an interview with the mother of one of the so-called visionaries. She stated that one day the girls floated down the stairs of the home ... upside down and backwards .. and floated out the door. That was the final straw for me. Either it's a lie or it's demonic. Or both.