Forbidden Science: The Occult Roots of the Space Program

Hey Guys,

Today we're diving into a subject I find to be criminally unexplored in the conspiracy community: John "Jack" Whiteside Parsons. For those of you who aren't familiar with Mr. Parsons, he was an experimental rocket scientist whose work helped the United States win wars and reach the moon. He also performed black magic rituals with L. Ron Hubbard, declared himself to be the Antichrist and masturbated onto "magical" tablets in hopes of creating a "Moon Child" fit to live in outer space that would destroy and rebuild the world as we know it.

What's most remarkable about all of this is that the majority of it isn't conspiracy at all--Parsons' occult connections and bizarre proclivities are well documented historical facts. The greatest conspiracy lies in the fact that he his name is barely mentioned in science and history books despite his being an absolutely instrumental figure in the development of rocket science. When we toured Jet Propulsion Laboratories (one of the institutions he helped create) for the segment, every founder was mentioned by name except for him.

We had the pleasure of interviewing two authors of books on Parsons as well as L.A. historian Norman Klein for the segment (also look out for some very special footage of the late, great Robert Anton Wilson taken from a Parsons doc by YouTube user Cybervue). What have you guys heard about Parsons, and why do you think such a blatant (and true!) conspiracy hasn't been discussed more in our community? Let's get a good discussion going to prepare for next week's DTOM episode that dives deeper into the specifics of the Moon Child and Parsons' vision for the future, I'm really interested to hear what everyone has to say!

Bye TV,

Josh LeCash

Not sure if I have heard of this one yet. Good find.

*Holy crap.

Just read a brief rundown of the man's antics. Not really sure I should bring it up here… But have a look at his Enochian magic ritual.



(Also, the video this week is much better than some of your previous ones. Good info dump in it without letting the comedic element draw away from it.)

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I found this fascinating.

I suspect that the church, descided to deal with Mr Parsons and his interest in the occult and practices simply because the occult was a fascinating thing for many people. Hitler was supposedly able to summon entities (which scared himn half to death) and naturally the Church would not tolerate people worshipping at another altar, especially people with the fascinating work and ideas that Jack Parsons had. Any young lad would have been gasping to join a 'rocket man' and follow his beliefs.

He died in 1952 which is only 7 years after the war and it was the time when the 'B' movies were making the rounds in the cinema so given the initial start of especially young people's imagination being fired up about space - again a subject that was and is a threat to the Church, my money would be that State and Church working together decided that this guy was simply too hot to have around.

I do wish someone would fund an agency purely to look into suspicious deaths that many think are linked to the secret services of governments and start exposing these dinosaur institutions that need a darn good dusting if mankind is ever to truly advance and shake the shackles off of the people. When one thinks about life it is magic, and one can understand why science is linked to magic, what we consider as 'magic' today science investigates and understands tomorrow but it never really detracts from the magic of life.

reply to post by Notheycant


The human imagination is such an intriguing thing

Impressive video. I actually learnt something.

I hope to see more like this.

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Haha...that was a charming ritual!!!! JEEZ.

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reply to post by Notheycant


You guys are getting exponentially better....this was a good video..done well and a topic I had never heard of...masterbating on magical tablets...sounds like rocket science.

reply to post by Notheycant


Good one, for the most part, Josh.

Jack Parsons is one of the most important people in the early Space Age, founded JPL, and invented solid-rocket fuel. Flagstars to you on those points, and for putting Bob Wilson in the vid so much. Getting Parson's historic position out to the world a bit more is honorable, and I hope everyone at JPL sees this and that some act on it to honor their founder much more (as well as clear up some of the misconceptions that man you interviewed there had).

For the denying ignorance parts, you may have spread a little to a lot more ignorance. Parsons and Hubbard did not do a black magic ceremony. Their Babalon Working ceremony was not organized to destroy the earth or whatever it was you mention, but to call forth the return of the Goddess energy into human society. To bring women back to their rightful roles, to more or less start feminism as a force, and to overturn some of the structures that males had put into place since the last great age of the goddess. This had nothing to do with devil worship or Satanism (I've never heard Parsons was a Satanist, or that he thought the Devil lived in a hold under a dam. Huh?). The result of the Babalon Working was that a very powerful woman showed up at his home at the exact same time, Marjorie Cameron, and through sex magick they further called forth the feminism energy into society. They both began to call Cameron the Goddess Babylon, and mentally tried to balance the equality of the sexes (we need someone to do that now in the middle east). Nothing whatsoever to do with black or even grey magic.

The cover of Crowley's Book of Lies was not the cover of Crowley's book of Lies. It was published in 1913 (or '12), and I have one of the orginal few hundred copies, so photoshopping a cover and presenting it as the original seems kind of non-journalistic.

And no, Parsons was not murdered. You neglect to say how he died. He had the not-very-smart tendency to play with his rocket fuel in his garage. He would carry it around in coffee cans. He dropped one. Kablooey (he didn't die immediately, and told people what had happened). To present a death as a murder - and I don't know why Bob Wilson would say such a thing - when there is no evidence for that, again, not denying ignorance.

That and more said, overall this is an important video, and I hope next week's look at these events doesn't spread false data but gets it exactly right (denying ignorance and all).

The title of this thread is a bit misleading. At first I thought it would be another 'alien Illuminati' thread. It is like titling a thread about Abraham Lincoln's clinical depression: The roots of black suffrage in mental illness. There is no doubt that Parsons was a genius. There is also no doubt that Parsons was mentally unstable. Many have suspected that his 'accident' was actually suicide.

Kudos, I actually enjoyed a video on here for a change.

Very weird however, whenever the video flashed to the strange angel (I think that's what the book was called?) his head in the picture was nodding. Did anyone else notice this?

Very slightly freaky !!

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A suggestion: Maybe you can change the name of the thread and add in Jack Parson's name somewhere.

Here is the only other thread on Parsons I could find on ATS. www.abovetopsecret.com... It's short, but has some good data. I gave it only its second flag, so now it has two to wave around if anyone at JPL sees it.

I also noticed that editors recently enlarged Parson's articles on Wikipedia and put the occult stuff lower on the page, highlighting and actually renaming his article so it shows only his aerospace achievements. They at least left the Babalon Working page be.

DJW001
Many have suspected that his 'accident' was actually suicide.

I've never heard anyone suspect suicide. He and Cameron had their bags packed and ready to be loaded into a cab for a very nice vacation. He was in love with a beautiful woman who, in his and her mind, was the personification of the goddess energy back on earth, and he was at the peak of his work and personal life. So even if suicide is painless and brings on many changes (or so I've heard sung), this wasn't one of them.

can't wait to give this a watch. figured i would chime in and see if anyone here is familiar with a TV Show called "Dark Matters: Twisted But True", the last episode of the second season had a segment on Jack Parsons titled "Magickal Jet Propulsion". And they went over his work involving rocket science incorporating the occult. It's worth a watch for the information and re-enactments. Plus it's narrated by John Noble whom I love.

There's an excerpt from the segment on youtube.com and you can find the full episode online if you are resourceful....

here is the URL in case my youtube embed doesnt work .... Dark Matters: Jack Parsons

Hey - I'm not getting the embedded video to show up today - it's probably just me, but would you share a link so I can see it on YouTube?
Thanks so much - interesting and totally strange topic! Can't wait to see it...

Thanks,

AB

Cool video, Josh, thanks for enlightening us about Jack Parsons, whom I'd never heard of before.

reply to post by Notheycant


Just watched the video again. Who is this historian you used as an expert, Norman Klein, who actually slanders Parsons by saying such things as he had a "distant sort of Charlie Manson echo", and talks about his sex magick on Jupiter or the moon. What in any stretch of the historians imagination can this guy equate Parsons with Manson? He also talks about Parsons being murdered (Parsons lived long enough to talk about what had occurred, he accidently dropped a coffee can full of his rocket fuel if I recall correctly).

And he did mix his religion with his work - just before he launched a rocket test he'd recite Crowley's Ode to Pan.

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Aleister~

We've exchanged some friendly fire on these message boards and I always appreciate your constructive criticisms. We (clearly, hopefully) do agree that Parsons is an amazing subject that the world should here more about! I just want to be clear on the subject of denying ignorance--we never want to spread misinformation and I think that we are simply using different words to describe the same things. The username "Aleister" seems to reveal at least a slight interest in magick and the occult (much as my "notheycant" and naming my show "Don't Tread On Media" betray my libertarian leanings), so I fully understand your preferred terms and you have every right to prefer them, but from a non-Thelemic perspective (in layman's terms, basically) what these men were doing is much more commonly referred to as black magic (a term Crowley himself would use along with referring to himself as "The Great Beast 666" and "The Wickedest Man in the World" when it benefitted the mystique surrounding his image).

As far as the Satan/Devil's Dam connections go, I strongly recommend the book "Sex and Rockets" by John Carter, an extremely thorough account of Parsons' life and work. It appears that like Crowley (and many, many writers and artists from the Romantic era onward), what he saw as "Satan" and "The Devil" represented a symbolic force of will rather than the deities mentioned in the Bible, although as Parsons biographer George Pendle notes in the segment, Parsons claims to have summoned the literal devil in his bedroom at the age of 10. Pendle's book "Strange Angel" is another great read that I highly recommend.

Concerning the cover we used for "Book of Lies," it's never presented as the original in the segment, nor did we Photoshop anything. This is the cover of the current edition found when purchasing the book online--if we were mentioning something biblical we definitely would have show a modern leather-bound Bible as opposed to a reproduction of the first method that book was produced. All that said it's impressive that you own one of the original copies and if you would like to send me a scan I'd be more than happy to include it in our next Parsons segment (which deals directly with Babalon Working and the different viewpoints of their occult work). This was intended more as Parsons 101.

Although I personally believe that Parsons' death was an accident, I really like the open-ended mystery of the possibilities and was much more interested in presenting all the viewpoints together--Robert Anton Wilson goes on in the interview to say that Parsons had no occasion to commit suicide (another common accusation) and no occasion not to be careful. Granted Parsons did use a lot of drugs and the official explanation of his accident is the most likely truth (which is why we zoomed in on that word in the "cause of death" section of his Death Certificate at the end of the segment). People on ATS are smart and being that this is a website dedicated to conspiracy we are very interested to hear varying opinions on points of dispute (in fact you are one of our favorites)!

I just wanted to clarify our reasoning in using the language and imagery we chose--Im glad we can agree that the historical Parsons story needs to be told, and I hope you enjoy our Moon Child/Babalon Working segment next week! Maybe you can point us in the direction of some good resources that we haven't yet considered.

-Josh

reply to post by Notheycant


Thanks for your long reply. I think the only disagreement is in the use of the term Black Magick. It was actually the opposite, the Babalon Working of Parsons and Hubbard was as white magick as you can get - to bring the personification of female power and energy back to where it once was. Hubbard didn't really steal Parson's girl, but took and married her after the appearance of Marjorie Cameron, who apparently was worth the marriage and whatever else Hubbard scampered away with.

Here is a pic of the Book of Lies found on Abebooks. My copy is much less worn, and is a fun keeper. I have an interest in the satiric and occult work of Crowley, but am not a member of his religion (or of any religion) due to its ceremonial aspects - although attending their meetings/masses on a regular basis would be much more fun than attending the showcases of the other formal religions.



And if you haven't read "Freedom is a Two-Edged Sword and other essays" by Parsons himself, a good read and might help with the next video. Parsons was extremely libertarian in his beliefs (aren't we all, at least on the social level), and this is a very good book. To pat myself on the back yet again (I have the arms of a chimp surgically attached to myself for that purpose) I love owning a Cameron signed presentation copy to one of her directors, Curtis Harrington.