National School Safety Expert: Sandy Hook shooting was a fraud

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Well, honestly the problem with this is that even if/when you PM SkepticOverlord the Facebook links, it's still confusing to people what exactly you are intending to prove.

I mean—and I say this with respect—wouldn't that merely prove that you have a second cousin?
It certainly wouldn't close the book on people wondering WTF happened in Sandy Hook, CT on 14-12-2012, right?

I don't believe anyone accused your second cousin of being an "actor" or in any way disingenuous, right?
I also don't believe anyone has ever suggested that 27,900 people would have to be in on a hoax.
I would imagine somewhere south of 5-score would be sufficient, which is hardly a far-fetched proposition.
The remaining 27,800+ people wouldn't know any more than what anybody else knows.

Some are without doubt probably even more confused than the rest of us.

For example, the following account comes from a neighbor of your second cousin, right up the street from the Lanza's (whom she doesn't appear to know).

Here is her second hand information about the crime scene according to the vis-à-vis testimony of an unnamed Connecticut State Trooper:

I have a picture in my head that I can’t shake. A friend told me she spoke with a State Trooper who was in the school today—the same concrete and tile building where Sam and I once took Ballroom Dancing classes, the one that’s down the street from the Fire Station where we have Lobster Fest and Pancake Breakfasts to help raise money for our volunteer firefighters.

He said he’s seen some crazy things in his day, some true horrors, but what he saw today, that’s a new level of Hell.
He said the Kindergarten class was seated at their tables as if nothing was wrong—if you discounted the fact that they also happened to be dead where they sat.
The shooter must have gunned them down without hesitation, immediately upon entering the classroom. Those babies didn’t have a chance and now the first responders and families of the victims will have nightmares for the rest of their life and those of us who live in Sandy Hook, a district of Newtown, CT, will bear the scars of this day in their hearts.

It WAS Nicer in Newtown until 9:35 AM today. I know that one day it will be so, again, but right now it’s a Nightmare in Newtown, one that I wish I could wake up from soon.

Also, just a little detail that I noticed:

I don’t know his story. I barely know the details of what he did. I can only think about my friends and family, our adopters and their children. I contacted one particular family and discovered their son would have been in that classroom, but he was placed in another school even though his mom had wanted him to go to Sandy Hook Elementary. He’s barely five years old, with big blue eyes, straw blonde hair and pink plump cheeks. I thought about what could have happened to him today and I started to cry yet again.

So interestingly, even though he was in the Sandy Hook school district and due to attend the elementary school, the education administrators placed this boy in a different school, against the wishes of the mother.

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These stories go on and on… Here's another, and it sure sounds like this person is questioning WTF is wrong with information flow:

(excerpt)
What is up with press conferences that have been scheduled only to say there is nothing to say?
I mean, this is a small town…and from what I gather from the attitude of the CSP officer who has been giving the press conferences, there seems to be a tension there between law enforcement and federal agencies.. The feeling I get when an official is giving a statement, and seems to hedge himself on new information…and then goes to great lengths to make it clear that only info from his mouth to his microphone is all that matters. We know the State LE has giving false information already. All that info about the “long gun” being found in the back of the car was crap. We know now that Lanza used the rifle to kill everyone of those babies.
It all seems strange to me, it feels like something is “off” about the investigation and the statements coming forward. Something is not right…something is being held back…something or someone is trying to control the situation in a uncomfortable way… at least to me. Do you all get that feeling too?
Here is my thoughts on this, one…that with the president making a visit, security is over the top in Newtown, and this has put an additional stress on the already stressed local law enforcement.
Two…is there something being held back? Something damaging to police or officials regarding Adam Lanza and his medical issues? What is the connections with Nancy Lanza and LE? Is that why the authorities are so hesitant about giving information at these press conferences? All these guns in her house? What about the son Ryan? No contact for two years and then Adam makes obviously sure that he has his brother’s id in his possession. Like he planned to put his identification on his brother? He shoots himself in the head, making it harder to identify himself…and has his brothers id in his wallet…it is obvious to me that he wanted his brother implicated in the shooting. Why? What about the NRA and other gun lobby enthusiast? What influence are they having? (I guess that is more than a couple thoughts and questions…)
And what is this threat from the official giving these press conferences? It all doesn’t sit right with me. Look at the differences between this shooting and Aurora…something is being held back here in Newtown. Do they feel that there are others involved in the Sandy Hook shooting? Are they going to be arresting other people? Tell me, do you all feel like I do? That something ain’t right?

Also, to captain & Co:
Please bear in mind that you have not really seen anything, and so your "facts" are not actually facts—meaning something indisputably the case i.e. the truth—but are instead, your interpretations of what you have been shown and told.


Also the term "fetishists" by itself is rather incomplete, since you are not denoting the object to which this "strong or unusual desire" is directed.

I will tell you what it is:
—Truth—

Signed,
~E.C. (incurable truth-fetishist)

therealguyfawkes
Some of the shill sock-puppet posters in this thread have done a very good job of validating this morning's top post:

The Conspiracy Theory Is True: Agents Infiltrate Websites Intending To "Manipulate, Deceive, And Destroy Reputations"

The only "ludicrous online lie" is the story that a 100lb kid named Adam Lanza killed people at Sandy Hoax.

Uh.. not to derail the thread but it's against the T&C's to accuse anyone of being a shill or sock puppet without proof.. sorry..

reply to post by Sremmos80

What does this have to do with

Well, since first response was at just before 9:45, it kind of throws into doubt the idea that they waited too long to dispatch wounded to the hospital.

Facts are you don't destroy medical records and you can not have a diagnosis with out record. Recollection of almost 6 years is not a fact

Wait, you think "facts are you don't destroy medical records?" Really?

If you wont take the word of the people who worked directly with this kid, then whose word will you take? This is the problem, again. You refuse every piece of evidence that contradicts your "theory", and then provide none in response.

And no eye witness's do not go far in court at all, regardless how many saw the same thing.

Again, not true. Corroborating testimony is very useful in court, and holds a lot of weight, especially in high number and even more so when many of those that corroborate are the first second and third responders to the scene.

Or do they not put cops on the stand anymore?

I am not deflecting anything, i have answered all your questions directly and continued to ask more.

and yet you managed, once again, to create a fairly lengthy post without including once piece of evidence in it.

vkey08

therealguyfawkes
Some of the shill sock-puppet posters in this thread have done a very good job of validating this morning's top post:

The Conspiracy Theory Is True: Agents Infiltrate Websites Intending To "Manipulate, Deceive, And Destroy Reputations"

The only "ludicrous online lie" is the story that a 100lb kid named Adam Lanza killed people at Sandy Hoax.

Uh.. not to derail the thread but it's against the T&C's to accuse anyone of being a shill or sock puppet without proof.. sorry..

I missed who he called a shill?
Seems to be like he was presenting an opinion and the info that lead him to that opinion
If you don't want to derail then just kindly hit the alert button and let a mod know and they can asses it.

I did want to know if you could address a question that has been brought up heard that one reason why the school was demoed was the fact it still had high amounts of asbestos and renovation would be more expensive to destruction.
Seem well informed in the info leading up to the destruction, is that true or was I misinformed?

Sremmos80

vkey08

therealguyfawkes
Some of the shill sock-puppet posters in this thread have done a very good job of validating this morning's top post:

The Conspiracy Theory Is True: Agents Infiltrate Websites Intending To "Manipulate, Deceive, And Destroy Reputations"

The only "ludicrous online lie" is the story that a 100lb kid named Adam Lanza killed people at Sandy Hoax.

Uh.. not to derail the thread but it's against the T&C's to accuse anyone of being a shill or sock puppet without proof.. sorry..

I missed who he called a shill?
Seems to be like he was presenting an opinion and the info that lead him to that opinion
If you don't want to derail then just kindly hit the alert button and let a mod know and they can asses it.

I did want to know if you could address a question that has been brought up heard that one reason why the school was demoed was the fact it still had high amounts of asbestos and renovation would be more expensive to destruction.
Seem well informed in the info leading up to the destruction, is that true or was I misinformed?

edit on thTue, 25 Feb 2014 17:16:25 -0600America/Chicago220142580 by Sremmos80 because: (no reason given)

It's very possible, I had heard that at one point, but it was just in passing on one of the local news stations, but I do not know for sure one way or the other about the asbestos content, however if the school was of a certain age (and again I don't know offhand what year SH Elementary was constructed) it would have been built with Asbestos insulation, and would have by state law had to have been renovated beginning in 2011-12 when the State finally mandated it for all schools.

Most in the state had already been done over the years as they were upgraded and rebuilt, which is another thing, even without the asbestos, it could have potentially cost less to rebuild than rennovate, that's what's happening here, they are about to tear down one school that is not in bad shape, because it's easier to build a new one.

Bottom line is, that would be a reason, but I do not know one way or the other for sure if it was.

reply to post by captaintyinknots

Well, since first response was at just before 9:45, it kind of throws into doubt the idea that they waited too long to dispatch wounded to the hospital.

I guess it "kind of" throws doubt but doesn't dismiss all of it by any means. And you forgot that they didn't send enough, don't forget that part. Very important

Wait, you think "facts are you don't destroy medical records?" Really?

If you wont take the word of the people who worked directly with this kid, then whose word will you take? This is the problem, again. You refuse every piece of evidence that contradicts your "theory", and then provide none in response.

Yes medical records are not destroyed, not sure what the confusion is there.

It is one thing to take their word for it but when the collaborating evidence does not exist so it can not be a fact. Since when does 6 year old testimony mean anything? Do you realize how many other people they would have seen with similiar first names and condtions? Who is to say they are not getting people mixed up? Well a record would be a great start but we don't have that.
And I am letting stuff get over my head lol

Again, not true. Corroborating testimony is very useful in court, and holds a lot of weight, especially in high number and even more so when many of those that corroborate are the first second and third responders to the scene.

So eye witness with collaboration? Yes that goes a little further. Eye witness with no collaboration like in the case of adam's medical history, don't drift now, it does not
Or do they not put cops on the stand anymore?

....................Cops are usually not considered eye witness unless they are testifying in a case they were not part of

Once again you ask for something you won't provide either.
The evidence that would debunk what I am saying is locked away, you keep saying your facts are easily collaborated but outside of 1 picture you have provided nothing

reply to post by deadcalm


So, in the instance of brevity, let my try to break this down so we're clear what you are saying:

A)You are still contending that in no instance is anyone pronounced dead at the scene (apologies for previously using the wrong terminology).
B)The response by medical personnel was not quick enough
C)There is secrecy around who declared these children dead



My responses:
A)Id like you to look at a few things and then either explain how they fit with your assertion, or tell me if you still hold to it:

Dead on arrival (D.O.A.), also dead in the field and brought in dead (B.I.D.), is a term used to indicate that a patient was found to be already clinically dead upon the arrival of professional medical assistance, often in the form of first responders such as emergency medical technicians, paramedics, or police.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.usatoday.com...

Driver pronounced dead at scene while four people in vehicles struck suffered injuries

wreg.com...

Shooting Victim Pronounced Dead At The Scene

www.post-gazette.com...

Man pronounced dead at scene of 3-alarm fire in Spring Garden

B)As sourced in a previous post, first entry to the building was at 9:45 and medical personnel were scrambled at 10:00. If you consider 15 minutes neglectful, have at it.

C)While it doesn't name names (for obvious reasons) the official report states that the children were found deceased by police.l Considering the previous sources proving they can pronounce people dead on scene, id say that answers that.

reply to post by Sremmos80


A)Corroborating. Not collaborating. They are different things.

B)Medical records in CT can be legally destroyed. That's a fact. That they are never destroyed is not.

Fox told investigators that medical records he kept on Lanza had been destroyed, as allowed by state law, because it had been more than five years since he last treated him.

www.legitgov.org...

C)What about the testimony of the dozens, if not more, of responders and people who worked on that crime scene. What does that count for?

D)You gotta click on the links, man. I cant do any more than lead you to water.

Link messed up post

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Huh did some more digging because 5 years seemed odd

www.ct.gov...

A medical record shall include, but not be limited to, information sufficient to
justify any diagnosis and treatment rendered, dates of treatment, actions taken by non-licensed
persons when ordered or authorized by the provider; doctors' orders, nurses notes and charts,
birth certificate work-she
ets, and any other diagnostic data or documents specified in the rules
and regulations. All entries must be signed by the person responsible for them.

Unless specified otherwise herein, all parts of a medical record shall be retained for a period of
seven (7) years from the last date of treatment, or, upon the death of the patient, for three (3)
years.

Go ahead and see if you find anything about 5 years in there or if you can find where the state allows a doctor to destroy before the req minimum.

What about the testimony of the dozens, if not more, of responders and people who worked on that crime scene. What does that count for?

I guess that depends what they say.. care to link some so I know which ones you are talking about?

ETA:
Talk about a doc in a pinch as well. Going through legal troubles 6 months prior and then is able to give police the medical diagnosis of a patient of 5 years ago that he vaguely remembers and that he may or may not have broke the law to destroy the records of?
www.legitgov.org...

Fox told police he couldn't provide any other details about Lanza. 31 Dec 2013 A psychiatrist who treated [alleged] school shooter Adam Lanza years before the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in Connecticut voluntarily surrendered his medical license in July 2012 amid allegations he had a sexual relationship with a female patient, according to public records released Monday.Dr. Paul L. Fox, a former Brookfield, Conn., psychiatrist now living in New Zealand, told police investigating the school shooting that he vaguely recalled treating Lanza. According to Connecticut State Police documents released Friday, Fox told investigators that medical records he kept on Lanza had been destroyed, as allowed by state law, because it had been more than five years since he last treated him.

He released that almost a year after the shooting and adam last saw him form 5-6 years ago, why wait so long to come forth? Almost seems they were waiting for the record to be in this possible loop hole?
Also when was the initial visit and when were the records destroyed? Need that window too
See I can click them Both times it has helped me, keep them coming please

captaintyinknots
reply to post by Sremmos80

 

A)Corroborating. Not collaborating. They are different things.

B)Medical records in CT can be legally destroyed. That's a fact. That they are never destroyed is not.

Fox told investigators that medical records he kept on Lanza had been destroyed, as allowed by state law, because it had been more than five years since he last treated him.

www.legitgov.org...

C)What about the testimony of the dozens, if not more, of responders and people who worked on that crime scene. What does that count for?

D)You gotta click on the links, man. I cant do any more than lead you to water.

i didn't see the response until after I typed this but it's not five years it's seven that they must keep medical records in CT, actually longer if you go by the office of the Healthcare Advocate.. looks like someone beat me to it..

reply to post by vkey08


Fair enough, I made no claim either way. I simply quoted what the ex doctor said.

So, my question to all here is: What do you think happened that day, and what can you provide to back the claim?

Ive asked over and over again, and only been met with a very standard runaround.

captaintyinknots
So, my question to all here is: What do you think happened that day, and what can you provide to back the claim?

Ive asked over and over again, and only been met with a very standard runaround.

No, no, no.We, the public and tax payers are asking the questions, and there are many questions unanswered.About corroborative eyewitness testimony we have that in many UFO and Alien incidents but.....

xavi1000

captaintyinknots
So, my question to all here is: What do you think happened that day, and what can you provide to back the claim?

Ive asked over and over again, and only been met with a very standard runaround.

No, no, no.We, the public and tax payers are asking the questions, and there are many questions unanswered.About corroborative eyewitness testimony we have that in many UFO and Alien incidents but.....

Pretty standard....

why the refusal to answer?

And, since I am one of those tax paying members of the public, seems I have every right to ask, just as you all have every right to cling to fringe theory and disregard facts.

Ahhh forget it. This is pointless, as it has always been. Enjoy your fetish, people.

captaintyinknots


And, since I am one of those tax paying members of the public, seems I have every right to ask, just as you all have every right to cling to fringe theory and disregard facts.

I dont have a theory, why should i have one?.Im interested in this cause pretty normal case closed situation( one shooter who kills himself, no Sherlock Holmes situations) turns in deep mystery covered with many unnecessary unknowns and unanswered questions.You just need to provide camera footage on front door of the school , or dead body of Adam and one of the adult victims.Why is that so hard?

xavi1000

captaintyinknots


And, since I am one of those tax paying members of the public, seems I have every right to ask, just as you all have every right to cling to fringe theory and disregard facts.

I dont have a theory, why should i have one?.Im interested in this cause pretty normal case closed situation( one shooter who kills himself, no Sherlock Holmes situations) turns in deep mystery covered with many unnecessary unknowns and unanswered questions.You just need to provide camera footage on front door of the school , or dead body of Adam and one of the adult victims.Why is that so hard?

Camera footage is hard as has been explained as infinitum to the point of vomit.

The school camera system, as most, do NOT record, they are just there like a peephole so that you can see who's there and buzz the door accordingly... How is one supposed to magically provide you with camera footage when none exists?