Study finds genes on X chromosome linked to male homosexuality

Danbones

soficrow

Bedlam

soficrow
When I was little, I thought they were hugging and playing. But what do kids know?

A lot of mammals use mounting behavior to set social dominance, but I'm not sure it's the same as sex. Is that what you mean?

I'm sure some of it was dominance behaviour but the activity in springtime was a bit more ...enthusiastic. As I recall.

a female wrasse will turn actually male and take over the harem if the real male dies
seaguls turn gay when over populated...

I recall several such reports over the past few years but "natural transexuality" isn't the same as homo- or bisexuality - although it may be a stage in the process. Who knows? All I know is homosexuality happens naturally in most if not all species, but a bunch of people are trying to play God and deny what their God made naturally. However she did it.

For shame.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Just a thought that perhaps no one has considered.

What if it is a survival mechanism, with two or more functions. One is to make women more fertile in times when the population needs to be increased, and one which triggers a homosexual tendency when populations need to decrease. It is seen in other species in nature, so it is logical to see it in humans.

Now, if someone who does not understand the full function of these genes (which we do not) decides that it is an aberration instead of a survival mechanism, decides to eliminate it, thru whatever means, WHAT HAPPENS?

Do we permanently damage a natural process for survival? Do we create a situation where our species actually falters and dies out because it can not naturally respond to the ups and downs of propagation? Do we make it a necessity to reproduce by medical manipulation, because we have damaged a very necessary reproductive tool?

Methinks I would leave it be.

BearTruth

Why is society still looking down on homosexuality?

personally it shouldn't matter whether or not its a choice, we shouldn't look down on homosexuals, or any people for that matter

DeepVisions
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Lets say there is a society of homosexuals and a society of heterosexuals. Which society will last the most generations?

You are aware that homosexual people can and do "procreate" aka are able to have and parent children right...that homosexual people just get about doing it differently to heterosexuals?


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TheLotLizard
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

If not a choice then it's a disease.

They need to isolate the gene and finally remove it. It could be a breakthrough that could life changing for individuals, it could be on the level as the discovery of the polio vaccine.

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I wondered how long it would take before HATE would rear it's ugly head.

second line.

There was no homosexual gene found in the study.
If you let a stupid study with misleading information divide you, make you hate other human beings that are part of humanity, then maybe that was the purpose of this bogus media news story.

727Sky
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

I never thought it was a choice. One of our school mates was more girl than guy which we always figured it was due to having an older sister.. He came out a full blown flamer when he turned 18; or so I was told. I worked for an airline and met many gays. Some were in a long lasting relationship with other gay men. Some were very talented in an artsy kind of way... Just people who were trying to live their life... The 80s and AIDS took a big toll on the gay flight attendants....

There was a documentary many years ago, related where all the famous British actors of the 80's had gone ... the TV show producers had to explain that many of them had died of AIDS related diseases. One noted that of all those that had frequented one particular sauna room in a particular health club, they had all died.

tothetenthpower
I suppose another nail in the coffin to the " it's a choice" argument?

Source

A study of gay men in the US has found fresh evidence that male sexual orientation is influenced by genes. Scientists tested the DNA of 400 gay men and found that genes on at least two chromosomes affected whether a man was gay or straight.

A region of the X chromosome called Xq28 had some impact on men’s sexual behaviour – though scientists have no idea which of the many genes in the region are involved, nor how many lie elsewhere in the genome.

Another stretch of DNA on chromosome 8 also played a role in male sexual orientation – though again the precise mechanism is unclear.

Researchers have speculated in the past that genes linked to homosexuality in men may have survived evolution because they happened to make women who carried them more fertile. This may be the case for genes in the Xq28 region, as the X chromosome is passed down to men exclusively from their mothers.

So apparently, it's all because of mom. Kidding of course, but as we can see, the more we research this, the more the conclusion seems clear.

Homosexuality is the result of naturally occurring genetic traits. I believe it's also partially environmental, but that's purely a personal perspective.

What do you think the odds are that further research will eventually find that exact genetic mechanism that determines sexual preference?

Thoughts in general?

~Tenth

Ok. Now we know what is wrong with them. Now how do we fix them?

This was always conclusive to YOU. when did you ever consider any other view point???

reply to post by tothetenthpower


So is that gene only in Gay men and not in heterosexual men?is it a mutation?I'm asking because I think we all do have that gene and the potential of being gay,and it is up to our environment,surroundings,culture and such that ultimately decide...Don't see this as me saying gays have the choice.
My best friend is gay and from what i've learned from him personally is that the environment he grew up in played a major role on his sexual orientation....

What do you think?

Genetic "differences" make us unique as a species.

It is disquieting to see a future where we might become homogenous.

Some differences are crippling, yet every day we see people over come these disabilities.

The specific differences outlined in the OP mark unique characteristics. Our culture has determined that these characteristics are unacceptable. This is changing.

But I have to wonder what will come first.

An acceptance to our varied and multiple characteristics?

Or a planet where everyone looks the same, thinks the same, acts the same.

beezzer
Genetic "differences" make us unique as a species.

It is disquieting to see a future where we might become homogenous.

Some differences are crippling, yet every day we see people over come these disabilities.

The specific differences outlined in the OP mark unique characteristics. Our culture has determined that these characteristics are unacceptable. This is changing.

But I have to wonder what will come first.

An acceptance to our varied and multiple characteristics?

Or a planet where everyone looks the same, thinks the same, acts the same.

Lets see what happens when we rid ourselves of races.
You may find that we will all look similar. And yes I hope the day comes when we do all think the same and agree that there is no point to a "physical existence"

Completely mixed races to the point where there is no races may be what we need to fix the problems we are having with our genes that tenth mentioned.

reply to post by MALBOSIA


I could agree that blending the races would be good.

But thinking the same? No.
Acting the same? No.

And knowing the human species, if everyone did have the same skin color, people would just pick height to be biased against.

beezzer
reply to post by MALBOSIA

 

I could agree that blending the races would be good.

But thinking the same? No.
Acting the same? No.

And knowing the human species, if everyone did have the same skin color, people would just pick height to be biased against.

It sounds harsh. Especially now but I really believe that is the answer. Scrub that. I don't know and might never know.

I think you are forgetting that if we did manage to merge our races to the point that there was no distinguishing between them, then that would mean that We have put away most of our petty differences.

Homosexuality on the other hand is not a "difference" to me. It is just a sexual preference and it means nothing to humans as a species so in no way is it "advancing" us the way some with large chips on their shoulders would like to believe.

@soficrow

I recall several such reports over the past few years but "natural transexuality" isn't the same as homo- or bisexuality - although it may be a stage in the process. Who knows? All I know is homosexuality happens naturally in most if not all species, but a bunch of people are trying to play God and deny what their God made naturally. However she did it.

For shame.

I apologise I advance if some of my post is considered 'off topic' however I think its just

an extension of the same topic . . . . .

Firstly there are two kinds of homosexuals the 'female' and 'male' and I was wondering

if I have missed something? Because the whole thread so far has been geared towards

the male? or has this anomaly in the 'gene' also been found in the female homosexual?

You mentioned they were made naturally (as God made them) which is true and

I have no quarrel with that.... but then it made me think about transgender which is

not natural because it cannot happen without the intervention of man? Man now

has the technology but his interference makes it un natural? I would just like to put

that into the mix . . . .

eletheia

@soficrow

I recall several such reports over the past few years but "natural transexuality" isn't the same as homo- or bisexuality - although it may be a stage in the process. Who knows? All I know is homosexuality happens naturally in most if not all species, but a bunch of people are trying to play God and deny what their God made naturally. However she did it.

For shame.

You mentioned they were made naturally (as God made them) which is true and

I have no quarrel with that.... but then it made me think about transgender which is

not natural because it cannot happen without the intervention of man?

We were talking about cases of natural transexuality - the previous poster cited the wrasse, I said I'd been hearing about it a lot but couldn't remember the species.

reply to post by TheLotLizard


I am not knowledgeable in Religion so excuse me if i sound ignorant, but

if we are "Created" in the image of God, his Son was Born without having Sex, a "miraculous artificial insemination"

@soficrow

We were talking about cases of natural transexuality - the previous poster cited the wrasse, I said I'd been hearing about it a lot but couldn't remember the species.

That's where you got me! as I looked up 'natural' transsexuality because

homosexuality is natural and the man/woman who is homosexual is not

after changing their sex.


There is noway a transsexual can change their actual sex organs without human

intervention, so you cannot get 'natural' transsexuals. (that is the reason I mentioned

that I may have been slightly off topic) And this thread is about homosexuals....

tothetenthpower
Thoughts in general?

In this our year 2014 we`re too ignorant of how life works and cannot for certain say what causes homosexuality. We`ll be looking back 500 years from now and laughing about our naive and ignorant nature/nurture discusssion and will have discovered that its something completely different entirely.

The ancients looked at the sun and thought it was a deity. Later they said it was a planet. Then it was discovered it was a star but they thought it revolved around the earth. Today they say its a star and the earth revolves around it. Such is the evolution of knowledge.

Is it really important what causes homosexuality?

I've never thought about whether my heterosexuality is biological or whether its a personal preference. Fact is, I am attracted to the opposite sex. Who cares whether its nature or nurture? I tend to think it some of both. Its in my nature to be heterosexual, but I could also suppress my sexual nature and not feel attraction if I put my mind to it.

reply to post by ketsuko


This is a second reply to the same post

But this one is to say - I believe I misunderstood your post the first time around

It pays to have my morning coffee before I start reading....and maybe one more just to make sure

TheLotLizard
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

If not a choice then it's a disease.

They need to isolate the gene and finally remove it. It could be a breakthrough that could life changing for individuals, it could be on the level as the discovery of the polio vaccine.

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Why don't we cure black people while we're at it?