The ET, An Open Discussion...

In 1974, atleast here in s.c. we had lots of saucers flyng around. My cousins in the mountains four hours away saw saucers, my female friend since kindergarten saw one, in random spots such as a tobacco field in the middle of nowhere. There were apparently lots of saucers that year. I don't believe it was our military, too many crafts all over the place.
Their purpose could be as minute or expansive as it gets. Our pets come to mind, why do we have pets ? What is their purpose? Especially the types of pets that aren't loved, like an ant farm, a snake or lizard, whats the purpose ? Why do we all want to cross species to see what it would look like ? LOL I don't know.
Good points you make, I agree with where your going and the thread was well written. I could speculate all day. I just don't know in my own mind what I think there are so many possibilities.

reply to post by lotusfoot


I'm glad you posted this. I mentioned previously, about ufo experiences in this modern era, but from like, before 1980, there abouts.
(in regards to how different it all seems to me now.) I was perusing Karl 12's threads, and I realized, that his ones show the then-versus-now state-of-the-phenomenon, moreso. There were all kinds of "flying saucer" things going on, and humanoid appearances, and they weren't "the greys".

reply to post by beezzer

I think our government (all governments) know about it. I think there is a huge cover-up.

Am glad you surfaced this. Who do you suspect, in government, would hoard this information?

We just call them gods, demi-gods, The Fae, werewolves, vampires, demons, imps, devils, etc.

I'm throwing in with you on this.

My other thoughts: I just don't see ETs as being overtly hostile. If (and that's a big if) there are EBEs visiting this planet (not just some type of scientific probe) ... they're possibly waiting for us to relax the embrace we have on their perception of our bad habits. Far from Star Trek's Prime Directive ... I suspect we've been nudged in the direction of joining a larger community ... but are mostly blind to it.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Slayer

You know I love conjecture....especially this topic.

Looking at the UFO chart, half of them could be deleted or grouped as the same given so many look very similar, and given the purported circumstances in which people see these craft. A1, A2...similar. A3, B2, B3, F4...similar. A4, A5, A6, A8, B7...Similar. You get my point, I hope. You noted that they should have settled on one design....yet I essentially do see only three general types of designs....with slight variations. Circular, Triangular....and what your UFO sheet fails to acknowledge....CIGAR (Nuremburg 1561 Battle, plus many modern day sightings).

In raising this point, and having been an avid follower of UFOlogy and abduction experiences, I can safely, and confidently, say that their are several races that visit this planet, if this is indeed actually happening.

The most interesting incident I've come across is the Betty and Barney Hill incident and the Hill-Fish Star map, which so far offers the most impressive evidence of a potential alien race travelling the galaxy and having come here due to potentially picking up on our signal. Furthermore....the star map purportedly given to Betty Hill, and then matched/mapped/aligned by Marjorie Fish, aligns with many G class stars that have the highest chance of containing habitable worlds......ATS JadeStar is the one to comment on this particular incident. As proof goes...this one is as close as we've come.

Nevertheless...it still won't be enough for some.

Delving into the reasons for their visitations....given the above and my feelings on the matter...the reasons would be varied for each species...and many for the reasons you've mentioned I think....but again merely conjecture.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Excellent thread !

Originally, Aliens & UFOs is what brought me to ATS. I still read some of the threads on here but mostly now, I tend to avoid it like the plague and here's why:

I believe we are being visited. Problem is, with all the evidence that tends to reinforce that statement, after decades and decades, we still know squat. And that really, really bugs me.

If the assumption is right and we are indeed, in fact, being visited, why all the secrecy??

Not from the government, who cares really, they keep everything secret anyway until someone leaks it; but the visitors...

Some say - and I read that often here and elsewhere - that we are ants to them. Really? Doesn't anyone find that insulting?

If we were primates, maybe. Neanderthals, maybe. But we are intelligent beings. No one will have me believe that they are unaware of that fact.

So, for me, either they remain secretive for a reason we would not understand (doubt that) or they remain secretive because they have an agenda (which I now believe).

And I don't like that option. Not one bit.

We are visited all right but the agenda - to my eyes - is nothing short of unknown and questionable. Nefarious, perhaps. Friendly, friends don't hide.

Interdimensional, extraterrestrial, us from the future, us from the past, our genetic creators, who the heck knows...

I just don't like them playing hide and seek with us without mentioning the rules of the game.

Just my Canadian two and a half cents..

Great thread. S&F.

LightAssassin
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

CIGAR (Nuremburg 1561 Battle, plus many modern day sightings).

This event has always been such a mystery to me. Simply trying to imagine being a member of a populace that has never witnessed flight outside of animals - which would make this event seem that much more extraordinary - makes my head spin.

When I try to put myself in that perspective, a battle is a very obvious answer to a very strange event. Reading the newspaper reports, it seems like the witnesses may have projected the idea to help them understand what they had seen. I say that because such a bizarre event (things other than animals flying and "crashing" into one another) would be so hard for the people of that time to rationalize, they would grab onto something familiar, in this case the idea of a battle in skies between unknown foes.

There are other accounts of this happening over Europe in that century. Since we're in a thread dedicated to conjecture, maybe this wasn't a battle. Maybe this was more akin to a mating ball, with the large black craft being the final result of this "cosmic copulation", if you will.

A bit askew, I suppose, but if we were to witness this today, I don't think our interpretation would be so far from theirs, as a battle is not so far from our understanding, either.

reply to post by SonoftheSun

I recollect very long ago, this might have been in the early 1990's, where 'abductee' Whitley Strieber thought the "visitors" themselves are the architects of the secrecy. I will tell something that happened to me, and some will outright not believe it, and I have no proof. But this is what happened to me. In 2010, I did an internet radio show interview, about my ufo military incident. Later, I was out and about to another town with my mother and sister, while this tall blonde guy stayed on our butts the whole time. He had broad shoulders, small waist, like a living 'Ken' doll, and gave off this oppressive menacing vibe. I don't believe he was a normal average Agent type, but I -think- he was an Agent type none the less. Well my point is, that the "coverup" involves something well above and beyond Pentagon bureaucrats. Well above and beyond. That's my story as they say, and I'm sticking to it. Absolutely.

reply to post by misschareesee2


I've read and heard similar accounts of MIB/Tall Men that seemed much more like they were part of "Their" cover-up program as opposed to "ours". I wonder who is emulating who? The old "Chicken or the egg" question.

reply to post by OrdoAdChao

You broach a significant Pandora's box. From here we could fall down the rabbit hole of who (what) the PTB -really- are and for how long.

reply to post by misschareesee2


Not to be cliche or off topic, but I am reminded of Sun Tzu's "The Art of War":
"In making tactical dispositions, the highest pitch you can attain is to conceal them; conceal your dispositions, and you will be safe from the prying of the subtlest spies, from the machinations of the wisest brains.
How victory may be produced for them out of the enemy's own tactics--that is what the multitude cannot comprehend."

We emulate them, they emulate us, all the while having no real idea of each others intentions. Perhaps their outward behavior towards us is not to threaten or instill fear, but simply to confuse us. And "TPTB" do the same in return.

Watch out, the edge is bound to give way, and slip into this hole may lead to a very long fall.

reply to post by OrdoAdChao

Ah, I like you, Ordo. Interesting point. It sorta reminds me of something which was repeated to me in the military when I entered classified work, which was how we must always "keep the element of surprise on our side". All the sides in 'war' utilize this art.

Watch out, the edge is bound to give way, and slip into this hole may lead to a very long fall.

Yes!

reply to post by SonoftheSun


Not to put you on the spot, I am genuinely curious as what you personally think their intentions might be? I lean towards observation/data collection, so - to me - the secrecy is just a general type of disinterest in direct contact. But that's just one of many possibilities, and when I start to think of the others... shivers down spine, etc.

reply to post by misschareesee2


We may be being all too human in this, but when I think of biological organisms, warfare is a basic and common trait. As said biological organisms, we are supreme amongst our fellow earthlings in the art of war. If an extraterrestrial biological specie were to discover us, I don't think it would be too far of a stretch to conclude that they would have been the supreme warriors of their world's biology.

To me, though, the art of war is more than just a guide to conquering enemies. It is a guide to success in all endeavors, as warfare is simply that basic. So to succeed, they would know that deceit is the prime factor.

To let that idea run its course is mind boggling, what is the deceit? Simplicity? Occam's razor may be more than just a tool in the bag of earth scientists.

One reads, from time to time, the opinion that there is something menacing or unfriendly about the way extraterrestrials are supposed by some to be observing us, without immediately and openly introducing themselves to the world at large. I'd like to suggest that this is not the only possible way to view the situation.
It could be that extraterrestrials, experienced in the business of contacting other species , and with considerable insight to our psychology and cultures, wish to make themselves known to us only very gradually. They could arrange things in this way because they do not wish to overwhelm us and destroy the cultures and civilization we have built up on this planet. The sudden presence on Earth of a more technically advanced ET culture with its own customs, mores, and aspirations might well do this.

There are many examples of this happening on this planet, where a stronger culture overwhelms a weaker one.
Standing back and taking a considerable time to make themselves known to us could be a friendly action, intended to protect us.

The only way you'll know for sure or believe is if you remember them. Everyone has had experiences. But if you don't remember them, you can only theorize. I didn't want to wake up to memories of them. It wasn't something that even interested me. And yet, so very grateful for the wakeup. If you have an open heart, positive feelings, are so grateful for them, for their presence, for the cosmos and all beings/souls/spirits in existence, just beaming love at all basically, and you remember you can even request they don't just take you in the night but come to the door. I had that granted. That was a pink colored, (actually unusual dark, dusky rose color) grey, about 4 7" inches tall roughly, fine narrow head, and features, typical grey eyes and larger head on the top. Twiggy body! Opened the glass sliding door in the evening and stared at him for a couple seconds, then he twisted and vanished. That night the dream of abduction that involve the family also had nordic humans.

The reason why you'll only know is if you remember or ask and receive a sighting, is because this appears to be a school and we are behind a veil and that seems to be some of the answers we don't normally have unless we seek.

gortex

Are they here to help, study, guide or simply guard against us breaking out of our crib too early?

Perhaps we're like the spider in the corner of the room , you don't want to kill it but you just have to keep your eye on it to see where it goes

Hahaha, I agree with this idea most of all. We don't have anything that isn't in abundance elsewhere in the cosmos, we aren't intelligent enough to trade with, we aren't special enough to warrant extensive study (although we are strange enough to warrant curious examination), we aren't dangerous enough (yet) to be considered a threat, our planet isn't rare enough to justify stealing and our people aren't docile enough to risk invasion. If aliens are helping us, they're not doing it openly. If they're manipulating us, they haven't made their agenda clear. If they are experimenting on us, they seem to be quite concerned about keeping it quiet.

Quite honestly, in my opinion, the only thing that makes sense is that if (and I believe they are) aliens are visiting us, they are benevolent (if not neutral), they are indifferent to us as a species (meaning they need nothing from us) yet they have a vested interest in our exploits and/or fate. I believe it's more than idle interest and less than malicious intent. Somewhere between a bored spectator and a hands-off philanthropist.

Maybe they're watching us like we would watch a native tribal people, gauging the right time to make contact so as to lessen the catastrophic consequences of early exposure to existential profundity. If that is so, then we should be very grateful to them for not crashing our party early. Because as we all know, humanity does not react well to existential surprises!

reply to post by Ross 54

If you're right ...

It could be that extraterrestrials, experienced in the business of contacting other species, and with considerable insight to our psychology and cultures, wish to make themselves known to us only very gradually.

... their patience is to be envied. History is replete with anecdotal visits. Sound like anything else to you?

-Cheers

We are being visited. The Universe began smaller than an atom and we are part of the Universe, and we are life. Most people believe we are not alone in the Universe. With our knowledge and advancement in exo-planet research, I don't know how you could doubt ET visitisation from UFO sightings and aspects of the ancient alien theory.

The Theory of Relativity states worm holes exist and we have created blueprints to theorhetically make a star ship.

I believe we are constantly visited. However at this point we must be fairly low on the totem pole for inter-galactic realestate or commerce.

There could be planets with intelligent life that experienced alien visitation and had no choice but to have immediate disclosure from the visitors themselves, which is unlike the scenario we are in now.

I believe we have intense surveillance and space military all over our solar system with highly advance technology. I've always read the army has technology 50 years ahead of everyone else, so I would believe we have some serious action going on in our solar system.

In all honesty, I think ET's are here to investigate/research. There are probably cultural boundaries that prohibit strong relationship building with visiting ET's.

On the other hand there could be a few different ET races that form a type of body of government that handles matters in our solar sytem that we are unaware of.

What if in fact we aren't being visited at all,but in fact they are already here and have been for along time ever body assumes the fact that the UFOS are coming from space,but what if they are not and they have a underground base are underwater base,there are plenty of reports of USO.What if the UFOS that people see are in fact just leaving the earth from a base underwater are underground,and either leaving earth going back into space,I am a firm believer in the ancient alien theory i think they have been around a long time,something in ancient time tells the story but we are to blind to see it ,are that people are scared to believe that everything we know is a complete lie and it would change us as humans mentally.What if we were not created by God and i don't mean to step on anyone else beliefs,what if the whole idea of our beliefs and concepts are wrong.Just some of my ramblings,you are free to disagree