More than 4,000 groups sign up to protest the NSA: 02/11/2014

reply to post by bonecrusher321

They are by no means rogue since everything making the news in the last few months not only went public in the Clinton era, but also originally gained large scale noteriety in 05. You can see some of my other posts for more detailed info. They are by no means rogue, as that infers they have been conducting illegal activities and violating law. But, despite the invasive and undesirable techniques, they have conducted all these operations in accordance with U.S. Law, U.S. Foreign policy and congressional oversight.

Yeah they are totally rogue now. Sure there is still a chain of command and that command tells the "least untruthful" lies it can come up with when under questioning by congress. Just because they now have some bogus parallel FISA courts telling them to rock on doesn't mean anything. Legal is whatever you can make the kangaroo courts agree with.

As far as budgeting constraints go, not buying it at all. We're still wondering what happened to the $2 trillion that disappeared under Rumsfeld's watch when that "plane" crashed the Pentagon budget office on Sept 11.

With the information now public on the NSA thanks to Snowden it's obvious they consider US citizens the enemy and treat them as such. Fine, we can have enemies too.

I don't think it hurts to try and you've got people on your side! Same with the TPP protests.

Here is another group joining in and they've taken the guesswork out of taking action if you'd like to do something or just call congress. Thanks for bringing this up - took me awhile to find this thread on search.

Today We Fight Back

reply to post by Bassago

Dear Bassago,

May I ask you to reconsider one of your opinions? It's this:

As far as budgeting constraints go, not buying it at all. We're still wondering what happened to the $2 trillion that disappeared under Rumsfeld's watch when that "plane" crashed the Pentagon budget office on Sept 11.

As far as I've been able to find, it was a Clinton problem which was known about publicly at least a year and a half before 9/11.

Pentagon's finances in disarray
By JOHN M. DONNELLY The Associated Press 03/03/00 5:44 PM Eastern

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The military's money managers last year made almost $7 trillion in adjustments to their financial ledgers in an attempt to make them add up, the Pentagon's inspector general said in a report released Friday.

The Pentagon could not show receipts for $2.3 trillion of those changes, and half a trillion dollars of it was just corrections of mistakes made in earlier adjustments.
Each adjustment represents a Defense Department accountant's attempt to correct a discrepancy. The military has hundreds of computer systems to run accounts as diverse as health care, payroll and inventory. But they are not integrated, don't produce numbers up to accounting standards and fail to keep running totals of what's coming in and what's going out, Pentagon and congressional officials said.

With respect,
Charles1952

charles1952
reply to post by Bassago

 

May I ask you to reconsider one of your opinions? It's this:

As far as budgeting constraints go, not buying it at all. We're still wondering what happened to the $2 trillion that disappeared under Rumsfeld's watch when that "plane" crashed the Pentagon budget office on Sept 11.

As far as I've been able to find, it was a Clinton problem which was known about publicly at least a year and a half before 9/11.

Good morning Charles, always good to hear from you.

I wasn't attempting to lay blame for this accounting on a specific administration as much as trying to point out that when you have this much accounting irregularity it is possible to maintain clandestine organizations like the NSA without requiring funds specifically from congress each year.

While the DoD may create plausible defensibility with their questionable budgeting methods do you believe they haven't salted away a lot of cash for a rainy day? I think they have, for padding and black projects.

reply to post by Bassago


Here is some links to see overall spending and the "black budget."

This is the DOD comptroller website. Any Comptroller sight can show past, current and requested budgets
comptroller.defense.gov...


This is the R-1 for Research Development & Testing (RDT&). Inside is where you find a break down for projects black , gray and white. Most any all caps is a strategic classified program which is the black, but that's not all inclusive. Some facility or testing titles that seem straightforward are for black sights. Note that this is DOD only so that's only half of USI. The other agencies can be found on their individual R-1 on the comptroller sights, or through an RDT&E search
comptroller.defense.gov...

This is an older code list. However, you will find many of them are on the 2014 RDT&E above. Which gives an idea how long some of these have been ongoing. Tractor programs are an example. Some are on the ground operations, some are weapons vehicle and equipment programs, some are other things. This usually represents around 10% - 15%of the base operating budget which is for peacetime operations. Contingency and related operations are additional funding requests.
www.designation-systems.net...

reply to post by Bassago

Dear Bassago,

I misunderstood, my apologies. You are absolutely right.

I'm sure some money is kept over from year to year. I don't know how much of their spending is from this year's appropriations or leftover from previous years. I suspect we'll never know. They will always have all the money they can persuade a few Congressmen that they need, and they can be very persuasive.

I do wonder how much is lost through waste and how much is routed through holes until it turns black, but we'll never know that either. Since it's government, I expect a lot is wasted. Normal accounting methods aren't used, so even more will be lost. Perhaps that "lost" money is accepted as part of the price to be paid in turning that money black.

Anyway, again, it was my misunderstanding of your purpose that caused the confusion. Keep it up, O Great One.

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by bonecrusher321

Dear bonecrusher321,

That was an impressive set of links, I'm really grateful to you. I ran across an article from Wired, it's two years old (almost to the day), but I found it a good general introduction, with sufficient detail to add interest. It's here if anyone wants to see it.
www.wired.com...

With respect,
Charles1952

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Charles, thanks i really appreciate that. I dig the article too. I often wonder why the media only reports on the DOD black budget when only half the agencies fall under that cabinet dept.