More than 4,000 groups sign up to protest the NSA: 02/11/2014

Not that it will do much good but at least people are trying to fight back.

More than 4,000 groups and websites have signed on to support a day of protest against U.S. National Security Agency surveillance programs, scheduled for Tuesday.

In addition, tens of thousands of people have pledged to make calls and post messages on the Web in support of surveillance reform, said organizers of The Day We Fight Back.

Among the groups supporting the day of Web protest are the American Civil Liberties Union, Amnesty International, BoingBoing, Demand Progress, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Fight for the Future, Free Press, Mozilla, Reddit and Tumblr.

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reply to post by 727Sky


All well and good but that horse has already left the barn. The NSA has shown itself to be a rogue organization operating outside the rule of law and answering to no one (especially congress.)

The only way an organization like this will scale back anything or give up any power is by being totally kicked to the curb. Time for a horse posse roundup.

727Sky
Not that it will do much good but at least people are trying to fight back.

More than 4,000 groups and websites have signed on to support a day of protest against U.S. National Security Agency surveillance programs, scheduled for Tuesday.

In addition, tens of thousands of people have pledged to make calls and post messages on the Web in support of surveillance reform, said organizers of The Day We Fight Back.

Among the groups supporting the day of Web protest are the American Civil Liberties Union, Amnesty International, BoingBoing, Demand Progress, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Fight for the Future, Free Press, Mozilla, Reddit and Tumblr.

www.pcworld.com...

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reply to post by Bassago


But don't you think if enough people rise up and let congress know they're disapproval, that congress could cut funds to them scaling them back enough to get a grip on them?

Hmmmm. More than 4,000 groups and websites. Including biggies like the ACLU. Would it be too much to ask groups to recruit one hundred protesters each? So 2/11/14 will feature a protest by 400,000 people? I love numbers. Not as much as some other things.

Dimithae
reply to post by Bassago

 

But don't you think if enough people rise up and let congress know they're disapproval, that congress could cut funds to them scaling them back enough to get a grip on them?

Alas I do not, the congress barely listens to anything that doesn't pad their own pockets. Couple that with the information and dirty secrets the NSA most likely already has on congressional members I see this as a dead end.

It's going to take much more than empty threats from congress to get their attention. A great presidential leader could perhaps do it. If he doesn't get assassinated first.

reply to post by Dimithae


I think the days are long past where the NSA actually requires funding from the state. The simple fact is, that they have access to information, and that information could be used to make them a vast amount of money, and not in terms of sale of secrets. With the kind of play the NSA have information wise, they could lay their hands on a vast amount of money, without actually selling anything, just by being better informed, by having access to everyones data.

I think that if it came down to it, they would switch to other revenue streams. Think about it, with all the data they have, they could take over every major criminal enterprise on this planet, or manipulate the stock market to suit their ends, and MAKE their running costs, and become independent of the state to an even greater degree than they are now. Mind you, that said, I am sure that they are not the only US intelligence arm which have that under their belt. Need I mention the CIA (which stands for Coke Into America)?

reply to post by 727Sky


well then it would appear the NSA have 400 more groups on there lists

Bassago
reply to post by 727Sky

 

All well and good but that horse has already left the barn. The NSA has shown itself to be a rogue organization operating outside the rule of law and answering to no one (especially congress.)

The only way an organization like this will scale back anything or give up any power is by being totally kicked to the curb. Time for a horse posse roundup.

They may not think they have to answer to congress, but congress could pull the plug on their funding if they really wanted to, and that is where people should be focusing the pressure. The NSA can't spy on you if you stop paying them to do it.

reply to post by TrueBrit


That said, then is there not a way once they have become they're own separate entity to declare war on them and take them out? There must be something in the constitution that would allow this.

reply to post by Bassago


Or over rule them for his own nefarious plans. I doubt we will ever get someone in office again to support our side.I think its too far gone right now for that. Sad to say but, there it is. We all saw what happened to Ron Paul this past election. They refused to even acknowledge him, because they didn't want to chance it. Last time the people had they're say I think was during the Reagan elections,I've heard that took tptb by suprize when he won. Though I myself was not a Reagan supporter.

Dimithae
reply to post by Bassago

 

Or over rule them for his own nefarious plans. I doubt we will ever get someone in office again to support our side.I think its too far gone right now for that. Sad to say but, there it is. We all saw what happened to Ron Paul this past election. They refused to even acknowledge him, because they didn't want to chance it. Last time the people had they're say I think was during the Reagan elections,I've heard that took tptb by suprize when he won. Though I myself was not a Reagan supporter.

Not to get too off topic here but with HW Bush involved, I guarantee you they knew Reagan would win. That man has killed one president, tried to kill another, and rigged the election of a third.

reply to post by 727Sky


You really don't need electronics to spy on people.
Its so primitive anyways.

reply to post by Aazadan

Not to get too off topic here but with HW Bush involved, I guarantee you they knew Reagan would win. That man has killed one president, tried to kill another, and rigged the election of a third.

One of the things I like about ATS is the conspiracy discussion. Here, our imaginations can run free, "Out-of-the-box" so to speak, and they need not be delayed in their flight by things such as evidence or proof.

Keep it up.

charles1952
reply to post by Aazadan

 

Not to get too off topic here but with HW Bush involved, I guarantee you they knew Reagan would win. That man has killed one president, tried to kill another, and rigged the election of a third.

One of the things I like about ATS is the conspiracy discussion. Here, our imaginations can run free, "Out-of-the-box" so to speak, and they need not be delayed in their flight by things such as evidence or proof.

Keep it up.

HW attended a meeting the night before JFK was murdered which involved many of his opponents, he "couldn't remember" where he was when asked, and there's a photograph of him outside of the book depository the day of the event. He was involved. He also had more than a casual connection to John Hinckley. His son was key in the 2000 election in Florida to elect his other son, and in the 2004 election which was almost certainly a victim of widespread vote tampering, a huge percentage of the machines used were owned by the Carlyle Group... I'll let you take a guess at who runs that.

Is there actual proof of any of this? Not really (aside from significant voter fraud actually happening in 2004, but who was responsible is unknown). But that's a whole lot of circumstantial evidence.

reply to post by Aazadan

there's a photograph of him outside of the book depository the day of the event.

The picture looks nothing like him.

Here it’s shown next to a 1964 photo of George H W Bush, the same one used in the comparison above.

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Not to change the Topic, but I think you have Failed!

reply to post by Bassago


Wow! The NSA is subordinate to and funded by the Dept of the Army by virtue of the DOD budget, with a matching chain of command going to ODNI. As one of the 16 known intelligence organizations it is one of the eight under the DOD. They are by no means rogue since everything making the news in the last few months not only went public in the Clinton era, but also originally gained large scale noteriety in 05. You can see some of my other posts for more detailed info. They are by no means rogue, as that infers they have been conducting illegal activities and violating law. But, despite the invasive and undesirable techniques, they have conducted all these operations in accordance with U.S. Law, U.S. Foreign policy and congressional oversight. Take note that many of the laws governing intelligence collection and surveillance have been in effect since the late 70s during the Carter administration. I'm preparing a thread to address this issue.

reply to post by 727Sky


My Friend, I think there is No Putting The Lid Back On This Jar.
No, The N S A is Way To Large and still Growing.
America has the Equivalent of The Central Committee of the Communist Party of China. It's secrets still guarded by the MSS to this day. It's the N S A and they need no Approval from our Government or Funds, Why, The N S A, Like China's own C C P, they know all your Secrets and where the Bodies are Buried.

There was a movie, I don't remember the name, with J. Hackman, I think.
Looks like Science Fiction, but China had most of those technology's in the 90's. Just imagine what the N S A could do.

reply to post by Dimithae


It does not work that way. Congress funds the DOD who in turn funds the four branches. Some of the eight DOD agencies are funded from the DOD budget, some from their respective services. Black budget funds are transferred the same way. Yes, in theory and in historical practice, a large public voice can affect or change national policy, governance and laws. However, in this case, the extent to which laws, policies and otherwise number and intertwine with other organizations (not affiliated with these issues) would make it a long an arduous process not to distant from impossibility.

reply to post by guohua


While I imagine this was meant for me, or at least can also apply, the NSA is not as big as people think and is minimal in comparison to our human intelligence assets by number, capability, operations and influence. Don't get me wrong, I don't personally care much for many intelligence gathering methods, by the NSA or otherwise. My insight is only provided to steer misconceptions and perceptions in the right direction. Of course anyone can believe what they want. My only hope is that some will be inspired to do some of their own "real" research and make more informed opinions.