Amanda Knox and ex-boyfriend guilty of Kercher murder.

alldaylong

Then by the same assumption how did she suddenly become fluent to change her story?

4 years in jail.

suddenly.




You cannot be serious.

I am posting this again so it doesn't get lost. This appears to be the point everyone is missing.

reply to post by alldaylong


The Treaty between Italy and the United States clearly states we will NOT extradite in the case of a double jeopardy. Italy signed the treaty, for Italy to even ask the US for extradition would be a violation on their part.

alldaylong

redhorse

alldaylong

FlyersFan

redhorse
the poster you targeted here has gone around this mulberry bush several times with facts from the case, and opinions expressed as opinions. *shrug*

Here in America we dont' throw people in jail for the rest of their lives based on 'oooh... the evil look I think I see in their eyes" ... or based on a person doing Yoga in an interrogation room to try to calm down. We put people in jail for solid evidence. In the Knox case, there isn't any.

Utter bollocks.

Here is a list of American miscarriages of justice.

en.wikipedia.org...

Wait... I thought one of your major points was that we should trust the judicial system and their guilty verdict. So, miscarriages of justice do occur, it would seem. Go figure.

So, maybe... Just maybe she isn't guilty...?

Oh wait... You would convict her on her "guilty eyes", but since miscarriages of justice occur in the U.S. then that is... alright...? I'm confused here.

It seems like you are just grabbing onto whatever straw you think will help convince you of her guilt as you think of them willy-nilly.

Did you actually read what i was replying to?

A statement was made that in America people are not put into prison without solid evidence.

I showed that was complete nonsense.

It had no bearing on Knox. In my mind she is guilty as charged.

Yes. I know your mind is made up on this. It just seems discordant to me that on one hand you say "Trust the courts she is guilty", and offer support for her guilt because you can "Tell by her eyes". I am amazed that you insist that a miscarriage of justice in this case is not possible, while apparently simultaneously comprehending that miscarriages of justice do, in fact, occur. You steadfastly refuse to admit that that could be the case here mostly because you just don't like the look of her. You clearly understand that courts can be corrupt, or just wrong, but the cognitive dissonance that you have adopted here does not allow you to put the two together with Amanda Knox. People like you are exactly how there are miscarriages of justice. I was just pointing that out.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Why're you taking this so personal? Yes, I know about the "black guy" getting arrested. I've read the case against her from many different perspectives and came to my own conclusions about her, which means absolutely nothing, for what it's worth. It's just my opinion. I always go with my gut and it has never been wrong. Never. Where you see an innocent little trust-fund, rich happy-go-lucky girl, I see a perverted, cold-blooded killer -who escaped justice. Either way, Karma always has a way of working things out.

I always go with my gut and it has never been wrong. Never.

I'll let that comment marinate in it's BS...

reply to post by OpinionatedB

She was acquitted and released in 2011, without any limitations.

That is what her attorney plans to fight it on, as at least one factor by the sound of it. More power to him and all the better if it works out that way. I'm not entirely confident with any other nations legal system...as I'm sure many others would say of their own.

Still, the whole idea of basically redefining the law as we saw fit can be sourced back before Bush, but he sure did make it a formal process with things we all know so well now...and today, it's become an art form. People (Americans) even tolerate it, for some odd reason. I wouldn't expect other nations to tho....

So if the challenges do fail, and it does come down to honoring or not honoring the treaty, it needs to be a simple question of the law then or again, it'll be turned back on our nation in countless ways for a long time to come.

I think the Super Court will be where this gets decided tho, and for what it's worth...I do hope she wins on a legal point. If she doesn't, I hope the ultimate decision on merits is respected either way it goes.

reply to post by Aleister

Fylgje
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

Either way, Karma always has a way of working things out.

Unless she's a sociopath (which I suspect). Unfortunately, she's quite attractive, and there's the distinct possibility people will forget or let it go. Hard to tell how long the shadow of karma will remain cast across her life.

The people arguing against the court's decision need to keep one thing in mind: She lives amongst us now ... not the Italians.

FlySolo
reply to post by Aleister

 

Ex-act-ly!

This is at LEAST the third time this prosecutor has argued from a point of the defendant being a "satanist."

Why??

Because she had no apparent motive!

Well how do you account for the fact that there is no evidence tying her to a blood soaked crime scene??

Well she must be a MANIPULATIVE SATANIST!

This same prosecutor has changed his theory to fit the facts of the case numerous times now.
The fact that the Italian court allows this nonsense to continue boogles my mind.

I don't care how the woman acts. You cannot condemn someone to spend their life in jail because they do not behave the way you think they should.

The Italians should be ashamed of themselves.
They haven't progressed a freakin' bit in the legal sense since they allowed a damn church to govern a nation of "civilized men."

I think she may be guilty. Hell, I would almost bet that she had a hand in all of this, but they cannot prove a damn thing. And to allow them to convict her on a damn hunch does more long-term harm than to allow a murderer walk free.

In legal parlance this is called a precident.
If we allow people to burn at the stake because we THINK they are guilty, you may as well start weighing people against a duck to determine their fate.

JayinAR

I think she may be guilty. Hell, I would almost bet that she had a hand in all of this, but they cannot prove a damn thing. And to allow them to convict her on a damn hunch does more long-term harm than to allow a murderer walk free.

Crux of the whole argument. The other side of the precedent being: it IS possible get away with murder.

Snarl

JayinAR

I think she may be guilty. Hell, I would almost bet that she had a hand in all of this, but they cannot prove a damn thing. And to allow them to convict her on a damn hunch does more long-term harm than to allow a murderer walk free.

Crux of the whole argument. The other side of the precedent being: it IS possible get away with murder.

Of course it is. Lots of people have done it.

The legal system is not perfect and it never will be. But the occasional Ms. Knox is better than burning pagan spiritualists at the stake because we think they are "witches."

reply to post by JayinAR

What did that video make you 'feel?' She wasn't a witch. We knew she wasn't. They weighed her ... and we forgot about what they were about to do to her. Don't forget that.

But ... what if we 'knew' she was a witch ... and the scales had said otherwise? Personally, I could give a care about Amanda Knox. What I do care about is that the family of Meredith Kercher won't get to see justice prevail. Such is life ...

reply to post by foxhound2459


Its not like she just walked in and pointed the finger. We are talking about two foreign police screaming at her and assaulting her for 8 hours. You cant really blame her. Torture someone that ling and they will say someone did it. The fact she broke and lied rather than breaking and confessing makes me believe she is innocent even more.

reply to post by alldaylong


Apparently you are incapable of understanding the international political motives behind this. Nor the mindset, which I'd liken to the satanic panic of the US in the 80s and early 90s that wrongly convicted the West Memphis 3.

Thats your mistake. You dont understand the the system is made up of people. Replaceable people whome are fallible. Also politics come into play. They dropped the ball and no one wants to hurt their career. From poor crime scene evidence, poor lab work, criminal interrogation tactics, and so on - the court cant be trusted.

reply to post by alldaylong


Haha you are a clown. Dont try to pass your pseudo science eye contact onto us students of psychology. What you say is bologna.

Harvin
I think this case is indicative on how segments of society (crossing cultural boundaries) view women accused of crimes and it is alarming. There is a subconscious mistrust of women when they are accused of crimes, especially of this nature, that they are sinister it reminds me of the witch trials. I think that as a society we need to address this. Just look at the posts here and elsewhere and we see references such as "look at her eyes" and "she looks guilty" and "she was kissing her bf at the court" etc. I think we have a long way to go to see exactly why this occurs. It seems like some type of quirk in human nature.

edit on 31-1-2014 by Harvin because: added quote marks

I think that this is an interesting observation, and may be getting to the heart of the matter. The most outspoken in crying for this girl's blood, from this thread, to internet comments, to the prosecution in this case, have made some mention of her physical appearance (often indicating her attractiveness at some point), and present a sexualized, even perverted point of view or narrative around her. This is strikingly reminiscent of the perversion within the Malleus Maleficarum. Really, it's not just women accused of crimes that are seen as particularly sinister by some individuals and social groups, it is women in general, and from what I have seen, that is what is resonating in the collective subconscious of so many and driving this whole mess.

Snarl
reply to post by JayinAR

 

What did that video make you 'feel?' She wasn't a witch. We knew she wasn't. They weighed her ... and we forgot about what they were about to do to her. Don't forget that.

But ... what if we 'knew' she was a witch ... and the scales had said otherwise? Personally, I could give a care about Amanda Knox. What I do care about is that the family of Meredith Kercher won't get to see justice prevail. Such is life ...

1. I didn't watch the video. No need. Very familiar with Monty Python.

2. If I were Meredith's father and I was CONVINCED Knox had something to do with it, I would understand why the courts let her walk and I would kill her myself.

However, that would be hard, because I am not convinced. Suspicious sure, but not convinced.

I'm gonna say that this lady’s eyes look guilty. I wouldn’t convict her for that but she looks guilty to me. Her body language also.

But I wouldn’t make a big thing over it it’s just an impression.

She shouldn't take any vacations in Italy any time soon

JayinAR
2. If I were Meredith's father and I was CONVINCED Knox had something to do with it, I would understand why the courts let her walk and I would kill her myself.

LOL ... those are almost exactly the same words spoken by one of my very best friends, except he said, "If he were Amanda Knox' father."

reply to post by Fylgje


Because Amanda Knox is my wife.

Not seriously, but I would totally be the meat in an Amanda Knox and Casey Anthony sandwich. Thats a pretty offensive sandwich I know, but im just drawn to bad girls I guess.

Being serious now. Im not taking it any more personal than you. I juat get kinda crass when someone (ie: you) is completely wrong and i give you the obvious answer and you still insist otherwise.

Thanks snarl for the imbed.