The Louisiana Public School Cramming Christianity Down Students’ Throats

3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by tinner07

 

Of course Islam shouldn't be taught in schools, no one ever said that it should be. The problem is religion, no matter which one, is being forced on children in this public school. Deflecting the attention to Islam doesn't neegate what is going on here.

If you'd like to make a thread pertaining to Islam being taught in schools then I'd be more than willing to participate and throw it a S&F. Religion should not be a part of a school environment, whether it be Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity,Mormonism, whatever the case may be.

I agree religion should not be taught in schools except maybe to a certain degree. Personally I would not object to my children or myself being introduced to the dalai lama... the history of the pope and the anti-pope. there was such a thing. But should not be an agenda

I learned Greek Mythology, which was religion of their time which is now considered for a lack of better term, ridiculous?

reply to post by olaru12


That's a funny post. That's the way the right sees it I we don't conform to you guys....hysterical, isn't it.

By the way YOU were raised in a Christian nation...guess what? You can think for yourself1 Gee. what a surprise!!

Their state, their majority, their call.

Let the conservatives have their beliefs and you can worship trees, dirt, your laptop or just yourself as you please.

If you don't this Union will be finished...I believe it already is.

ketsuko
reply to post by benrl

 

It may be the parents' job to do it, but when does the parent get to choose what school the child gets to go to as part of their job?

Oh, no, they don't get to do that unless they have a lot of extra money on top of their taxes, and God help them if they think part of the schooling should include topics other than the typical atheist agenda. See, in America, you send your child to the school in the district you live in, and no matter what, it can't include any topics that are other than atheist and politically correct.

So, if you should want to try to find a school that teaches religion, you are SOL unless you happen to be relatively wealthy.

Now, explain to me how that is fair to anyone other than atheists?

Let's put this another way and pretend for one moment that the religion in the OP is Islam and not Christianity. Would you be happy for your children to be taught in this school, and if they do not mention Allah in the test papers, they are ridiculed by their teacher. Would you be happy for your taxes to be used by the school to teach Islam to your child?

reply to post by nwtrucker


The U.S. was not founded as a Christian nation otherwise the separation of church and state wouldn't be part of the Constitution. Only within the past few hundred years has Christianity gotten a foothold in politics and many of our politicians today are self-professed Christians and base their decisions on their beliefs.

Coincidentally the U.S. has also been in almost every major world conflict and war in the past 100 years as well. This "Christian nation" you live in seems to have been the most un-Christ-like country of them all.

reply to post by flammadraco


I would assume by their posts they would be more than happy to pay taxes for a school teaching Islam and telling the students to pray 5 times a day to Allah, personal beliefs be damned.

Or maybe they've set a double standard?

My bet is on the latter actually.

I suppose I shall inject my opinion into the subject.

I don't believe religion really has a purpose in schools.

The reason why is pretty simple.

Certain areas, and certain buildings have their own purpose. A school is there to teach kids fundamental things they will need in order to be successful in the modern world. Religious teachings are not needed in order to accomplish that.

A church/temple/mosk/etc. is there in order to fulfill peoples religious faiths/needs. And discuss those teachings among themselves.


Go ahead and do what you want. It makes no difference to me. Just stick to the designated areas. There is no need to go about mixing and matching. These specific buildings were created for a reason.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Not defensive, frustrated...LOL.

NO I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. Honest. LOL.

Fair? More "fair" them spending 1,000s than the State spending millions to change everything for that family.

Frankly, seeing you think I'm defensive and a Christian, I will rebut that YOU sound agenda driven and perhaps fear Christians?

The bottom line is I hold a deep love for the U.S.A.. No greater concept has ever been articulated by man. This and other issues are reaching or already have passed the point of workable compromise to remain a Union.

I see the biggest problem being the imposition of an agenda on states by the Federal Gov't and other well funder organizations. As you seem to agree with what the result is, in general, you don't see the resulting and growing by leaps and bounds backlash.

I fear it will destroy this nation and that is far more important than me or you or that family. IMO

reply to post by nwtrucker


What makes you think it would take millions of dollars to change a few policies within a school district?

Even IF it would cost the state millions of dollars (which is a pretty big stretch IMO), I'd still have to say that is more fair than making families spend thousands of dollars each to find a suitable school.

Know why? Because the state has billions of dollars at its disposal, the family doesn't. They'd have to leave friends and family behind and possibly find new jobs all because the school in their district forced beliefs on their kids and ridiculed them for not conforming to the majority.

It should be equality for all not just for most. Churches are there for religious worship and prayer, not public schools. The Constitution isn't there to be used as toilet paper and I see what this school is doing as exactly that.

Dear World,

Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat.

Sincerely, tired of hearing your religious guff

reply to post by benrl


There will always be people who believe that carts pull horses and rain follows wet. But this is Louisianna, right? Aren't they dead last in education for a reason?

nwtrucker
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

 

Fair? More "fair" them spending 1,000s than the State spending millions to change everything for that family.

First off, they shouldn't have been doing this from the start. If they spent quite a bit of money on this that is their own fault. A state run school funded by the government is not supposed to be forcing kids to carry our a specific religion. It is a direct violation of the first amendment. This is not freedom of religion by any means.

Plus, why would you spend money on teaching religious principles anyway? You could just go to a church and do that for free. And that would free up some tax money to be used elsewhere.

This is ridiculous. And no matter what anyones opinion on religion may be, or whether they want their child to goto a school that supports THEIRS or not.

The constitution of the United States, CLEARLY STATES, there will be a separation of church and state.

if you want your children to grow up with the the bible as their moral guide, then it is UP TO YOU as the PARENT to teach them what you wish for them to learn. NOT the school.

NO RELIGION IN SCHOOLS. PERIOD.

This means no pro-god no anti-god, no pro-buddha, or anti-buddha, no pro-islam or anti-islam. No creation or intelligent design.

School is for things like, learning how to READ *even the bible if thats what your into* learning basic MATH and SCIENCE, developing SOCIAL SKILLS and PHYSICAL EDUCATION.

This one is interesting. First, here is a list of filed documents to the Federal Court by the ACLU -- **Please note they might be PDF file formats**:

Here is the "test" -- **Note -- it is hard to read, but looks like the student put "Lord" into the answer? Quite confusing in relations to the complaint really....
Complaint -- Test

At the time of filing, here is the School's "beliefs" from their website:
Sabine Beliefs
This is confirmed by actually going to their site:
Sabine Website Beliefs

There are a couple of other documents posted on the ACLU site -- but keep in mind, this is coming from one side (the plaintiff's) in this case.

The ACLU is laying claim that evidence is also found in a student led prayer at a football game; in which I do not personally find that in violation of anything as it is a private citizen exercising their First Amendment Rights along with their State Constitutional Rights to express their religion freely.

Some of the pictures are indeed disturbing though, but not detrimental. The student (or his/her parents) will have to show cause that the school intentionally singled out their child and I believe that will be hard to do.

Now, here is the response from the School Board.

The Sabine Parish School Board has only recently been made aware of the lawsuit filed by the ACLU. A lawsuit only represents one side's allegations, and the board is disappointed that the ACLU chose to file suit without even contacting it regarding the facts.

The school system recognizes the rights of all students to exercise the religion of their choice and will defend the lawsuit vigorously

The last part of that is evident really in the "belief" portion of the school district's website. The "belief in God" doesn't actually institute a religion and that is where the ACLU will have to establish their line of battle in my opinion.

reply to post by EmpathicBandit


Belief in God doesn't constitute Religion though...that is the battle I see at hand given the claims and filed paper work.

reply to post by Lingweenie


To rebut your view on this, my belief is the Judeo-Christian moral code IS a fundamental. One that has empirical proof of it's workability.

Without that "moral code" we seem to have moved into a "no moral code" code. The evidence of this change runs right through the political spectrum, top to bottom. With stunning new lows everywhere one looks.

Ideally, this should be done by the parents and they are culpable. Having said that, the educational mantra is to ignore the parents as "out of date" not modern or "progressive" enough.

Bottom line is for you and many...no religion in schools. For others and there are millions, religion is part of their education, has been and will continue to be part of a school day and that's the way they want it. La. is a vastly Christian state. It's their call. those that find it intolerable should pack their bags and leave-as I did from California.

Otherwise, what faces us down the road will be much, much more intolerable, perhaps beyond imagining....

ownbestenemy
reply to post by EmpathicBandit

 

Belief in God doesn't constitute Religion though...that is the battle I see at hand given the claims and filed paper work.

granted, however, being the main ideal behind it, AND being a personal belief of a teacher, then teaching children one way or the other is not ok. to believe or not to believe, whatever the motivation behind it, is something to be learned and found each for themselves.

reply to post by nwtrucker

Without that "moral code" we seem to have moved into a "no moral code" code. The evidence of this change runs right through the political spectrum, top to bottom. With stunning new lows everywhere one looks.

You seem to think that if those 10 commandments weren't written down on that stone tablet that everyone would have no sense of right or wrong. Spoiler alert, our moral compass comes naturally, we do not want to be treated bad so we know that no one else does either. If someone kills someone else they are willingly going against their naturally ingrained moral compass.

Besides, how have those morals put down in the bible helped anything anyways? We see the world and how it is today, what makes you think the morals in the bible have helped or changed anything at all? If anything it seems to have had the opposite effect than what was intended.

Name the school or it's BS.
Oh I see where they said it's Sabine Parish where the school is.
Well, I have no idea about what they do in their schools, but we always stop in Zwolle for tamales and last minute tackle needs on our way to fish Toledo Bend. Beautiful area and people. The tamales are some of the best in the country.

yamammasamonkey
Name the school or it's BS.

Its the school district; or rather the parish in Louisiana -- see my post up a couple...this isn't some BS.

reply to post by yamammasamonkey


Read the thread.