Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

reply to post by The GUT

Then again, I'm on the verge of believing it's all temporal lobe seizures.

I highly doubt that.

reply to post by jadedANDcynical
...continuing

Textbooks tell us that our brain is the source of all thought. Like a computer, we learn to react and make deci- sions based on past programming and what we have learned from our environment. However, now scientists like Henry Stapp from Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and Stuart Hameroff from the University of Arizona are researching brain functions that work beyond classical physics.

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Researchers like Stapp [4] and Hameroff [5] are stating consciousness is part of a quantum field. Stapp [6] in particular tries to point out why classical physics alone cannot account for consciousness activities, but states that the brain is continually active in “observing” information from within the quantum field.

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The research from Stapp [4] and Hameroff [5] is indicating that the quantum field exists throughout all life. Stapp’s work [7] implies a quantum interconnectedness or “web” concept where the human brain receives information from the quantum field.

The quantum field we find ourselves embedded in is as conscious as we are but on a much larger level. The consciousness field we are interacting in and are a part of is of the level at which the function and structure of the universe we observe is experience rather than observed; not quite sure I'm getting myself clearly across here... It is that larger field which enables all of these psychic phenomena to exist. It is the medium in which those frequencies travel.

According to Coetzee [9], the cells act as electro-crystal cells immersed in extra-cellular tissue fluids composed mainly of water, and seem to operate in the fashion of a liquid crystal oscillator in response to different light commands or light pulses of ambient stimuli (EM, magnetic, subtle energy) which, in turn, change the orientation of every molecule and atom within the body showing this interconnectedness of quantum particles.

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In our opinion, the body is a type of micro-universe having multiple channels which process thoughts throughout our anatomy, operating internally, within ordinary cell tissues, but concentrating within the nervous system, receiving its universal guiding role from a quanta signal which is not a localized field. More succinctly described, there is a quantum field coherence that can occur in numerous tissues between the larger field and the body.

SO, our physical bodies actually are cosmic radios which can tune in to the broadband broadcast of universal mind, but the ability of our minds to interpret that signal depends on a variety of factors. Honing our inner focus through meditation, ritual, psychotropic chemicals, or any number of other techniques will always produce a result because we are designed to be able to tune in.

Understanding the Consciousness Field
J.J. Hurtak* and Desiree Hurtak
The Academy For Future Science, California, USA, P.O. Box FE, Los Gatos, CA 95031, USA

yet more to come...

Hurtak is problematic because he was a contactee, and even tried to recruit Vallee.

Meanwhile Putin and the Control System...

In the end, this is quite a good map for what’s going on in the world. Putin is destroying the matrix, yes, but he is not the good guy by any stretch of the imagination. He would remake our failing control mechanism to look like him.

The Russians got more into the weird stuff then the states did...

Pinchbeck on Streiber:

The discussion then turned in a different direction. I noted that, from my reading of Strieber’s work, I suspected that Strieber was influenced by the force that the visionary philosopher Rudolf Steiner called “Ahriman,” the evil spirit who pulls humanity down into minerality, materiality, sterile technology, and extinction.

As I also noted in 2012, I told Strieber that I thought he had been manipulated by alien entities that do not have the best interests of the human species at heart.

This is spectacular: Pinchbeck riffs on Steiner who was riffing on Gurdjieff and Blavatsky who were riffing on Geber and Plotinus who were riffing on Plato, and the whole vicious loop started because Pinchbeck wanted to modify Streiber's writing which is based in Strieber's temporal lobe lability.

I'm loving this and I'm not even at Mickey D's.

Listen,

We have a lot of time to get to belief, it's not going to be as simple as just saying 'it's belief' and moving on. We have a lot of parts to integrate here and belief is going to lead to a discussion of our power to wield dis-belief.

Problem is: whatever is going on, it needs network; we have discussed Persinger's electro-magnetic-noospheric-network. I personally am in alignment with Eidolon23, and now jadedANDcynical, that it is a field like the one described by Sheldrake.

But the network has to travel on something.

For the time being I thought it would be fun to try to use the OSI seven layer networking model to provide a framework upon which to hang this stuff.

I see the Temporal Lobe as a layer 3 switch of some sort.

Belief would be a more complicated negotiation, I think, so to me right now it makes me think that it might work something like Public-key cryptography.

Simply put, people seem to exchange public and private "belief-keys" and "dis-belief-keys" that allow or dis-allow one another in to each others "belief-system". Maybe cognitive dissonance forms a sort of "code-wrapper" that works to maintain "code-integrity", that would make a type of "packet", wouldn't it?

I'm just throwing this out there, I know that there are others on the thread that can likely drill this down a lot better than I can.



OSI Model

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You missed the first half of my post. Too busy doing an academic deconstruction. Your own belief is that Whitley has sleep paralysis and that is enough to explain away all of the high strangeness associated with his "platform", so to speak? It went way over your head. You should have been at Micky D's...

I mean, I truly think you are onto something with the temporal lobe theory as it relates to a morphic field of belief packets etc. There are many great posts here explaining very advanced things regarding the brain and consciousness. But Whitley opening up about mind control abuse? Not sure how that got missed. That is entirely related. Now bring it all together! No need to throw out Ahriman with the bathwater either...

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What do you imagine that I have missed? The wandering souls?

Lots goes over my head, and I know it's because I'm focused.

I'm okay with that, because I am only one part of a group.

Your own belief is that Whitley has sleep paralysis and that is enough to explain away all of the high strangeness associated with his "platform", so to speak?

No, did you assume that I did? I tried to be clear that I am comfortable with there being no absolutes when it came to what we are discussing.

ETA:

But Whitley opening up about mind control abuse? Not sure how that got missed. That is entirely related. Now bring it all together! No need to throw out Ahriman with the bathwater either...

It did not get missed. This isn't a race, is it?

If you want to accelerate forward then we should first go backwards to attachment theory which should be the right place to start to begin to describe why you are correct about trauma.

As far as Ahriman and wandering souls, I am familiar. Have you read what we wrote here?

The 8th Sphere



The Trauma Pandemic!

Double bind



Dudeman?

Do I have to "bring it all together", like, you want me to do a post on attachment theory and trauma and Bateson (because then I would have to deconstruct Bateson, too) here? Now!

With people watching!?

Just kidding. Just because the trauma piece is true does not mean that we have to accept anyone's particular view of what it means. Streiber is low hanging fruit, he seems to me to have created his stories based on his misunderstanding of what was happening with him, so I am not confident that he understands trauma well enough to add it to the mix without confusing people either.

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Me:

I'm just throwing this out there, I know that there are others on the thread that can likely drill this down a lot better than I can.

That would be you, dude, you know you know that stuff better than I do. So does Autograf. So does Eidolon23.

*Double smiley rainbow*

reply to post by 1ofthe9

Hurtak is problematic because he was a contactee, and even tried to recruit Vallee.

emphasis mine

And just why does that make for being problematic?

I think it further demonstration of that if you try for contact, you will get contact.

And just why is that? What does that tell us about the universe we find ourselves in?

If that's the case, then so am I; and I would reckon many posting here are as well. It seems to me that many here have direct experience of something along the same line as Hurtak reports in his Keys (have you read it btw?) if not necessarily to the same degree of depth. Which is why we are interested in finding out more about the deeper subjects inferred by the topics discussed within this thread.

Now as to him having tried to recruit Vallee, that's interesting would you know more about that?



reply to post by jadedANDcynical

...continuing

So, we have two control systems (at least) in place, the 'native' and the 'counterfeit' and we find ourselves caught between the them.

The native CS seems to be aiming us in one direction while the counterfeit one seems to be at cross purposes to that.

Where do we go from here?

What can we use this knowledge for?

We can arm ourselves as much as possible against the external influences that are being used against us on all levels within the 6 layer model Vallee introduces and to which I have referred back to numerous times. We all have our personal totems and internal structures to which we have attuned our awareness that act as both filter and firewall.

Those can be breach in various ways as amply demonstrated within Gut's Electromagnetism, UFOs, and the Weaponization of Alien Technology thread by those in overt and covert military operations. Some tools they have to use against us we know about many we only guess at, and it is those that cause the most concern and can be the most difficult to defend against.

If they can use these technologies for their own (to all outward appearances) nefarious purposes, surely we can come up with our own for benevolent ends?

Anyone interested in a little applied research?

lostgirl
You know, you can talk about all the writers, all the diverse 'paths', and all the various workings, but what you most need to do is ask, "what is the common 'thread' running through it all?"

"Belief"

I think that when it comes to attempting 'magic', you have to 'believe it to see it'...

Firstly, I am not disagreeing with you one iota, just bear that in my mind, 'cos this could be subtle

I was involved in a thread, ooh, must be six years ago now. It was a life changer for me. I really struggled with the OP and the angle from which he presented himself. I kept going right back to the beginning and re-reading it...and it was a long, long read. Finally it clicked. He said early on, might have been in his first post, that he required the readers/participants, to suspend their disbelief. I'd missed that point over and over again, or interpreted it in the wrong way entirely, but as soon as I got that, as soon as I understood that one little point of instruction I realised that I could fly...figuratively

It is not belief that fuels progress, belief holds us to the old, it binds us, by suspending those beliefs we can see them objectively, as well as seeing all that exists beyond them, including new possibilities and fresh interpretations.

Actually, I'm finding this discussion fascinating again and have been given much food for thought by pretty much all of y'all. So much so, that it's a little distracting for me.

I have to view some of it as "side trips," but once I finally managed to look at it that way, I have found many germane nuggets that relate to my own focus, besides the interesting avenue of new thoughts you've taken me down. How cool.

While it can cause a significant amount of confusion, it's also gratifying that many of us have our own locus of focus.

One thing that I personally haven't seemed to have conveyed adequately is what I see as the entanglement and nexus of the UFOs-aliens-weird science-intelligence community. I don't see it as separate "control systems" (less so everyday) but as some aspect (faction mebbe?) of the paraphysical phenomenon shaping the landscape in every aspect that affects our existence: Consciousness-wise AND Socio-Political.

If we theorize a paraphysical "control system," then to me it only makes sense that it has an effect in all realms of our spectrum. It would have to.

The "mechanics" of how we--or it--achieve 'contact' is, of course, a worthy and important study. However, at this point, my imperative--or focus--is: What the hell is it up to and does it have our best interests at heart?

If we are dealing with non-human intelligences, are there "white hats" or are we dealing only with something that prefers to bend us in absurd and destructive ways?

(Side Note - Does Stanton have a new book coming out that I ain't gonna read? I notice he's doing an ask-me-anything. Yet another AMA cheerleading session for Roswell and MJ-12? Ahem. Someone like Redfern would be refreshing. Hint.)

jadedANDcynical
So, we have two control systems (at least) in place, the 'native' and the 'counterfeit' and we find ourselves caught between the them.

The native CS seems to be aiming us in one direction while the counterfeit one seems to be at cross purposes to that.

Where do we go from here?

What can we use this knowledge for?

Another great post. I guess the 'native' and 'counterfeit' aspects--if true--suggests good guys AND bad guys on both sides of the "veil?"

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GUT

“The "mechanics" of how we--or it--achieve 'contact' is, of course, a worthy and important study. However, at this point, my imperative--or focus--is: What the hell is it up to and does it have our best interests at heart?”

What exactly are our interests that you question these beings may NOT have at heart.

Survival?

Of course the “our” in your enquiry is very important since there are varying interests in this world and they are far from unified.

jadedANDcynical
reply to post by 1ofthe9

 

Anyone interested in a little applied research?

You guys know I am.

I haven't read Hurtak, I only know what Vallee says. Apparently it was a bust like John Keel was saying all along... I find myself returning to Keel again and again.

Bybyots - keep going. You are on a roll dude. Don't hide your power level.

The GUT: TBH the discussion your threads have provoked here...I really feel that folks should have been looking into this thirty years ago. Seriously, this feels like real progress, and it's been amazing to cooperate with you and other folks. I never expected other people would pick up on the same elements I did, let alone begin to deconstruct the narrative.

I dunno about you guys, but I have a funny feeling *something* is building to a climax...

Bybyots
The reality of temporal lobe lability being the basis for the narratives that people have brought back to us from their experiences is a harsh and brutal one. Many long held beliefs must die, in the incarnations by which we presently know them. Many Sacred Cows will be slain and we will feast on the sustenance that they provide so that we may get to wherever this is taking us.

In this context, consider Hildegard of Bingen...

Hildegard says that she first saw "The Shade of the Living Light" at the age of three, and by the age of five she began to understand that she was experiencing visions.[16] She used the term 'visio' to this feature of her experience, and recognized that it was a gift that she could not explain to others. Hildegard explained that she saw all things in the light of God through the five senses: sight, hearing, taste, smell, and touch.[17] Hildegard was hesitant to share her visions, confiding only to Jutta, who in turn told Volmar, Hildegard's tutor and, later, secretary.[18] Throughout her life, she continued to have many visions, and in 1141, at the age of 42, Hildegard received a vision she believed to be an instruction from God, to "write down that which you see and hear."[19] Still hesitant to record her visions, Hildegard became physically ill. The illustrations recorded in the book of Scivias were visions that Hildegard experienced, causing her great suffering and tribulations.[20] In her first theological text, Scivias ("Know the Ways"), Hildegard describes her struggle within:

'But I, though I saw and heard these things, refused to write for a long time through doubt and bad opinion and the diversity of human words, not with stubbornness but in the exercise of humility, until, laid low by the scourge of God, I fell upon a bed of sickness; then, compelled at last by many illnesses, and by the witness of a certain noble maiden of good conduct [the nun Richardis von Stade] and of that man whom I had secretly sought and found, as mentioned above, I set my hand to the writing. While I was doing it, I sensed, as I mentioned before, the deep profundity of scriptural exposition; and, raising myself from illness by the strength I received, I brought this work to a close – though just barely – in ten years. (...) And I spoke and wrote these things not by the invention of my heart or that of any other person, but as by the secret mysteries of God I heard and received them in the heavenly places. And again I heard a voice from Heaven saying to me, 'Cry out therefore, and write thus!'[21]

en.wikipedia.org...

Apart from the relevance of the onset of these visions from such a young age, the other important factor is that the visions were (as I have bolded) experienced through all of the senses. The Temporal Lobe houses the primary auditory cortex and the central memory region. In conjunction, those two facilities give meaning to sounds. The Wernicke's area, within the Temporal lobes, 'translates', when applicable, those sounds into words from acquired memory. For Hildegard to experience her visions with all her senses, there must be more to it than the Temporal Lobe alone. The Parietal Lobes, the Cerebellum, particularly, including the Reticular Activating System, but potentially, the key region is the Thalamus, the Bridal Chamber, where all sensory input is relayed for response and/or interpretation. The Amygalda can over-ride all else, but in a very base, void your bowels, kind of way, from what I can discern.

In short, I am struggling with the idea that Temporal Lobe Lability is responsible here. Part of a chain, possibly...but I'd expected the 'origin' to be elsewhere in the brain.

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As for Stanton Friedman, the last book I read of his, one of his MJ12 books,was a little weak. Though I like and respect the guy, this book was A LITTLE BORING.
Top Secret/Majic: Operation Majestic-12 and the United States Government's UFO Cover-up

I actually bought this book...anybody want to buy it?

KilgoreTrout
In short, I am struggling with the idea that Temporal Lobe Lability is responsible here. Part of a chain, possibly...but I'd expected the 'origin' to be elsewhere in the brain.

Maybe the metaphysicists have been right all along. The body is merely a meat puppet for the spirit? The physical brief, the spirit everlasting? As has been mentioned: Consciousness exceeds the physical in that it has no mass and yet is responsible for all societal achievement. It's the mystical bugaboo in the corner that can't seem to be defined by materialism.

The GUT

KilgoreTrout
In short, I am struggling with the idea that Temporal Lobe Lability is responsible here. Part of a chain, possibly...but I'd expected the 'origin' to be elsewhere in the brain.

Maybe the metaphysicists have been right all along. The body is merely a meat puppet for the spirit? The physical brief, the spirit everlasting? As has been mentioned: Consciousness exceeds the physical in that it has no mass and yet is responsible for all societal achievement. It's the mystical bugaboo in the corner that can't seem to be defined by materialism.

You can hug and kiss those 'meat puppets'...I've always found such activity raises my spirit.

Anyway, I have just read this...

thewhitecrow.webs.com...

I better understand what Bybyots is getting at now

KilgoreTrout
You can hug and kiss those 'meat puppets'...I've always found such activity raises my spirit.

Yeah, me too. Glorious. Even more so, however, that unquantifiable meshing of spirit that defies the mere physical and suggests...more.

Anyway, I have just read this...

thewhitecrow.webs.com...

I better understand what Bybyots is getting at now

It is good stuff and certainly has to be factored in. Persinger suggests--and builds on--William James, but from a biological standpoint. It certainly raises questions, but at the same time leaves so many unanswered. Through a glass darkly. Without a model of the mind it only suggests mechanics, but not whether there's some core truth of what we might call a spiritual nature.

One problem is that such experiences aren't always--as seemingly proffered--buffered through an individual's societal context. Often enough though, admittedly, to take notice.

Bybyots offerings are one of the items I mentioned above that have been a delightful--but challenging--excursion. Not new to me, but he's put it together in creative and challenging ways enough to give it all another and closer look. I keep finding both holes AND great points that are brain-bending debate-wise. (------) That was one of my famous hugs...how'd it feel?

KilgoreTrout

lostgirl
You know, you can talk about all the writers, all the diverse 'paths', and all the various workings, but what you most need to do is ask, "what is the common 'thread' running through it all?"

"Belief"

I think that when it comes to attempting 'magic', you have to 'believe it to see it'...

Firstly, I am not disagreeing with you one iota, just bear that in my mind, 'cos this could be subtle

I was involved in a thread, ooh, must be six years ago now. It was a life changer for me. I really struggled with the OP and the angle from which he presented himself. I kept going right back to the beginning and re-reading it...and it was a long, long read. Finally it clicked. He said early on, might have been in his first post, that he required the readers/participants, to suspend their disbelief. I'd missed that point over and over again, or interpreted it in the wrong way entirely, but as soon as I got that, as soon as I understood that one little point of instruction I realised that I could fly...figuratively

It is not belief that fuels progress, belief holds us to the old, it binds us, by suspending those beliefs we can see them objectively, as well as seeing all that exists beyond them, including new possibilities and fresh interpretations.

Yes, I think I get what you're saying...in the sense that the word 'belief' (as a term) has a tendency to 'relate' to dogma (i.e. indicating a close minded 'surety' of what one believes 'in')...

Where as, (and I think you get this) when I use the word 'belief' in regards to 'magick', i.e. affecting the 'supernatural' Control System - I am talking about belief as an 'action', a choice one makes (and/or a step one takes) as part of the 'process' toward such a goal...


p.s. Thank you for the Hildegarde of Bingen post....I find it inordinately depressing to think that my spiritual feelings/yearnings might be nothing more than random Temporal Lobe 'firings'...

The GUT

KilgoreTrout
In short, I am struggling with the idea that Temporal Lobe Lability is responsible here. Part of a chain, possibly...but I'd expected the 'origin' to be elsewhere in the brain.

Maybe the metaphysicists have been right all along. The body is merely a meat puppet for the spirit? The physical brief, the spirit everlasting? As has been mentioned: Consciousness exceeds the physical in that it has no mass and yet is responsible for all societal achievement. It's the mystical bugaboo in the corner that can't seem to be defined by materialism.

edit on 7-3-2014 by The GUT because: (no reason given)

It all seems to come back to that. Persinger's geopsyche/ELF stuff is a direct outgrowth of Pulharich's stuff from the 1950's. The Soviets seem to have taken the same path as well... Aquino also made a point of talking about field-related stuff that seems to be

I have no idea what this all means guys. I have to admit that. However...

1. Stuff from Washington hints that there was some kind of breakthrough by means of Russian research after the Cold War.
2. Conspiracy narratives have been and are manipulated by intelligence agencies.
3. All this scalar wave stuff...could we be looking at some kind of disinformation to misdirect people away from the real source of electromagnetic weirdness?
4. Putin's inner circle is loaded with transhumanists...and occultists.

Also some of the stuff around the Munroe Insitute and OBE's is very interesting...

Supposedly, when out of your body, you cannot pass through a Faraday cage. You guys see the implications I'm seeing right?

I want to test this...