Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

KilgoreTrout

Bybyots
Many of us that have been developing what we think of all of this, primarily on The Gut's threads over the last several years, know that that powerpoint slide has in it exactly what we expected to see, operations manual indeed.

Cuz I'm crazy like that, I'm going to be the first kid on my block to call that powerpoint presentation, and the one that preceded it, hokum.

Fair call. At the very least, if it does originate from GCHQ, it is a controlled release, it is being seen because they want it to be seen.

Thanks KilgoreTrout,

If you’ve made it to this blog in the first place, then you don’t need me to explain why this is interesting.

miragemen.wordpress.com...

And thet's the whole point. The powerpoint presentations, both of them, are guided missiles, they would only be meaningful to UFO-heads.

reply to post by The GUT


Wow TG!

Whatta we call that thang? A Mega-Meme? I mean, what do we call a stack of 50 memes placed in to a powerpoint presentation that will never have a presenter/narrator? Putting them in that format is a whole new beast.

Oh! and does a single image become a complex meme when placed within the context of something like that PP presentation?

reply to post by lostgirl


Sorry, I just saw this question...

Not that I can identify as such, and certainly none that I believed were but, that doesn't mean there hasn't been any. It's a big and busy site.

That said, if there were any they failed miserably, ATS, as a whole, is way too astute to automatically buy into anything.

S...

reply to post by EnPassant


This is a good point and has been postulated before.

Any government would naturally offer itself up as an alternative to any alien intervention in earthly human affairs.

Make them look weird, dangerous, or out of this world, in order to maintain the earth control system of governmental suzerainty over its populations mind, soul and body.

The point is to CONTROL IT themselves: create the NINE GROUP of Andrija Puharich, for instance, and other later manifestations of alien phenomenon: Serpo, and many others.

They do it all the time in politics and thereby creating a vast network of converging material so no one can find the truth in the verisimilitude of ideas.

Who can sort out now any legitimate reality or truth in this AlienUFO adventure?

And ALSO control the opposition: Mr. Vallee types; the loyal opposition created, formed, and guided to be the alternative to the official line of creation and control ?

GUT man, you are on a roll. I think we've done a hell of a lot towards unpacking the story over the last few months. Now these leaks...we are living in exciting times.

To get really spooky, you know the whole thing with Vallee's writing and the plasma sphere thing turning up in UFO reports? What if we're doing the same thing in this thread? What if the Mirage Men, or the PSP, are cribbing ideas from us? Either way, the OPFOR are able to read our stuff - and we might want to consider signals intelligence stuff. This is partly why I proposed the 'secret' working group thing with Isaac Koi and Jadestar. We insulate ourselves from the Mirage Men, and we keep them isolated from our 'meme'. Turns out it also meshes nicely with lostgirl's experimental suggestions...

'To Know, to Will, to Dare and to Keep Silent.'

Springer
My complaints aside, I see that you are getting close to the real landscape in your painting effort (an apropos metaphor of your threads). I will be speaking with several of the people you highlight in this thread (and others) and reviewing the latest leak/release of the British intel docs over the next several days. If there's anything of value to add from those conversations I'll add it here.

Springer lemme know if there is anything I can do to help bring these folks on board. We really need to hash things out with Vallee and Green personally. Hell - I'll consent to a fMRI scan if it results in a Kit Green AMA. If anything else, it would be interesting to have you run the Sealab II 'sabotage' thing past Green. I haven't managed to come to a conclusion on its validity. :s

Also a tip for the viewers: keep an eye on the Ukraine. If the phenomena has something to do with conflict, this might trigger some kind of reaction...

KilgoreTrout

Bybyots
Many of us that have been developing what we think of all of this, primarily on The Gut's threads over the last several years, know that that powerpoint slide has in it exactly what we expected to see, operations manual indeed.

Cuz I'm crazy like that, I'm going to be the first kid on my block to call that powerpoint presentation, and the one that preceded it, hokum.

Fair call. At the very least, if it does originate from GCHQ, it is a controlled release, it is being seen because they want it to be seen.

The data Snowden had could have been compromised. Greenwald could be another weak link.

Why is no one mentioning the UFO photos and 'cyber magic' in the mainstream media?! This is all giving me a very weird feeling guys. I never thought I'd find anything when I started reading about this stuff for fun - and yet I've come to find stuff that actually chills me. Stephen King can't even do that to me. This is honestly the weirdest thing I have ever taken a crack at in my life, and I've looked at some pretty weird stuff. Straight up Lovecraft in here.

Hell. We might be the ultimate authors here. Egregores emergent from apophenia, furiously replicating in the collective memesphere. Magic from the darkest corners of Langley.

"Secrets, techniques and powers I alone have refined, improved on, applied my engineering principles to. Science and logic. THE keys! My keys to the doorway of the Magick; my magick! THE power! NOT Scientology power! MY power! The real powers of Solomon..."

Or aliens. Or soul-eating demons from the long and dark alleys of the electromagnetic spectrum. Or all of the above.

For the first time in my life I'm really at a loss for words.

Springer
Gut, you brush up on the accurate but seem to have the same issues most do who dive into this with naught but the interwebs as their source of data, you tend to combine things that shouldn't be combined and make associations ( a nice way to phrase assumptions) where there are none to be made in the genuine data.

Having had time to think about your assertions, Springer, and with all due respect, and further, having reviewed your statements/participation in the Men in Black(OPs) thread, the thought occurred to me that you are making a lot of insinuations, and aspersions, yourself without anything to back it up other than your opinion, and, apparently, what some of the 'Aviary" cadre have told you. To me, that stands in sharp contrast to the research and sourcing I have presented here and elsewhere in providing thoughtful and sincere content for our community.

I'd also point out that Kit Green himself has apparently made a number of conflicting statements about SERPO alone that would raise the eyebrows of any LEO, Prosecutor, or Jury if this were a court case. (I'm in the process of collating those now for contiguous presentation here. That's sourcing and evidentiary items, not assumption.)

Maybe you should address my points and documentation rather than making blanket statements about "assumption?"

I feel l'm justified in stating that I'm arguing my points from research and citation, while you are arguing your points from emotion and "appeal to authority" by stating that certain of our players have "told you so." As I mentioned, Kit has told a number of folk a number of conflicting things as regards SERPO, so how do you reckon you have the sole and whole picture? Not to mention that you--or I--or ATS as a whole--may not be considered as "having a need to know." Ya' know?

1ofthe9
Also a tip for the viewers: keep an eye on the Ukraine. If the phenomena has something to do with conflict, this might trigger some kind of reaction...

Not exactly what I had in mind, but that is precisely what I meant when I referred to looking at what is happening 'right now' in my response to The Gut. We can navel gaze all we like about how this might be about 'us', and how this technology could be being applied to 'us' and effecting 'us'...but my argument, in part, specifically in terms of it's use for deflection purposes to distract us from it's actual, real world application...possibly

If we consider all that we have learned so far not just from a UFO/Paranormal aspect, that whatever the nuts and bolts of it is what It is, carried out on a domestic level can be effective in promoting paranoia and other emotional responses that effectively distract and pacify. Now apply those techniques to another objective, creating social unrest and promoting political insurrection. Firstly, we have established that leadership is a key factor in human behaviour. Secondly, that the media can be used to manipulate perception of events and direct popular opinion and thirdly that humans can be convinced that an apple is an orange. In the wider context, as a result of discussions that have taken place on ATS, that in the months preceding the Arab Spring and subsequent uprisings, that UK and US intelligence and military personnel were on the ground stirring the pot, as well as preparing to provide logistical and other support when things kicked off. We have an somewhat different set of circumstances in the Ukraine, such logistical and military support are out of the question, but all other interference, media infiltration to disseminate information, on the ground operatives to put the right people in touch with each other, to organise and direct opposing elements, point them in the right direction, etc etc. Therefore, while the situation may not appear to have anything whatsoever to do with the topic being discussed here, it in all likelihood, in my opinion, has everything to do with the techniques that have been discussed.

Just to add in a little history to the mix, to add a contextual basis. I am sure all are familiar with Operation Mockingbird.

Operation Mockingbird was a secret campaign by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to influence media. Begun in the 1950s, it was initially organized by Cord Meyer and Allen W. Dulles, it was later led by Frank Wisner after Dulles became the head of the CIA. The organization recruited leading American journalists into a network to help present the CIA's views, and funded some student and cultural organizations, and magazines as fronts. As it developed, it also worked to influence foreign media and political campaigns, in addition to activities by other operating units of the CIA.

In addition to earlier exposés of CIA activities in foreign affairs, in 1966 Ramparts magazine published an article revealing that the National Student Association was funded by the CIA. The United States Congress investigated, and published their report in 1976. Other accounts were also published. The media operation was first called Mockingbird in Deborah Davis's 1979 book, Katharine the Great: Katharine Graham and her Washington Post Empire.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

The practical culmination of Operation Mockingbird, under Frank Wisner's leadership, and in conjunction with MI6 liaison Kim Philby, was the 1956 Hungarian Revolution.

The Hungarian Revolution of 1956 or Hungarian Uprising of 1956[5] (Hungarian: 1956-os forradalom or felkelés) was a spontaneous nationwide revolt against the government of the People's Republic of Hungary and its Soviet-imposed policies, lasting from 23 October until 10 November 1956. It was the first major threat to Soviet control since the USSR's forces drove out the Nazis at the end of World War II and occupied Eastern Europe. Despite the failure of the uprising, it was highly influential, and came to play a role in the downfall of the Soviet Union decades later.[6]

The revolt began as a student demonstration, which attracted thousands as they marched through central Budapest to the Parliament building, calling out on the streets using a van with loudspeakers via Radio Free Europe. A student delegation entering the radio building to try to broadcast the students' demands was detained. When the delegation's release was demanded by the demonstrators outside, they were fired upon by the State Security Police (ÁVH) from within the building. As the news spread, disorder and violence erupted throughout the capital.

en.wikipedia.org...

I have bolded the word 'spontaneous'...because there was absolutely nothing spontaneous about it. It failed in devastating fashion because Philby was, of course, a double, and was feeding names and operational information to the Soviets. Although, in my opinion, I feel that that may have been part of the MI6 agenda and that Philby was in fact a double-double, but that's another story for another time

The world has changed somewhat since 1956, and strategic concerns, the requirement of a buffer zone against the encroachment of communism are not the prime motivators nowadays, if they ever were the real driving force. The situation in the Ukraine, we have seen in the past decade a moves by their government to align itself with the global community and distance itself from Russia. This has resulted in huge corporate investment in the nation, most of that directed at developing it's agricultural industry. The Ukraine has some of the richest, most fertile soils in the world and has been historically viewed as Europe's breadbasket. That is why Hitler's Germany wanted it, and that is why there is now a struggle between European and Russian interests in it. The Ukraine is the third largest exporter of grain crops in the world, and over the coming years, with the effects of climate change, and the degradation of farmland due to over extended acquifers and the resulting salination of that land, it is likely to move up that scale. We, as a global community, need that land and it's consistently high yeilds. Only last year, DuPont, a corporate entity that since the second world war has maintained strong intelligence ties on both sides of the Atlantic, invested £200 million in building a seed distribution plant. Monsanto too have invested 100s of millions, as have Cargill, amongst many others. Additionally, if the Ukraine aligns itself with Russian, Chevron and Royal Dutch Shell will be not be permitted to pursue the fracking concessions that they have negotiated with Ukrainia.

I could go on, but as likely as not, what I have presented so far seems very,very far removed from what has been discussed in this thread. To round up though, I feel it has everything to do with it, while we are busily contemplating our navels and asking how this affects us, and how we are subject to the control systems in place, we are failing to look beyond the end of our noses at how the global community is effected. It is distraction, deflection and magic, it is the creation of a seemingly spontaneous event, utilising many of the techniques here discussed, and we are looking at the wrong hand, waiting for something extraordinary to happen to us, personally, when it already has, the ripples of that event though are going to be a while in reaching us, on a personal level.

I apologise for the semi-rant, and for the appearance of going off-topic, though in my mind I have not and that is my excuse...so excuse me please

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


I couldn't agree more. Excellent post and thanks for bringing up Mockingbird, it's been several years since I thought about that and with what's going on in the world today I believe we should all be thinking about it in a contemporary context.

reply to post by 1ofthe9


Reminds me of a song



Aliens Exist

KilgoreTrout
In the wider context, as a result of discussions that have taken place on ATS, that in the months preceding the Arab Spring and subsequent uprisings, that UK and US intelligence and military personnel were on the ground stirring the pot, as well as preparing to provide logistical and other support when things kicked off.

Hey, I think I'm missing something in comprehension...

What exactly was it that happened "as a result of discussions that have taken place at ATS"?

KilgoreTrout

1ofthe9
Also a tip for the viewers: keep an eye on the Ukraine. If the phenomena has something to do with conflict, this might trigger some kind of reaction...

Not exactly what I had in mind, but that is precisely what I meant when I referred to looking at what is happening 'right now' in my response to The Gut. We can navel gaze all we like about how this might be about 'us', and how this technology could be being applied to 'us' and effecting 'us'...but my argument, in part, specifically in terms of it's use for deflection purposes to distract us from it's actual, real world application...possibly

If we consider all that we have learned so far not just from a UFO/Paranormal aspect, that whatever the nuts and bolts of it is what It is, carried out on a domestic level can be effective in promoting paranoia and other emotional responses that effectively distract and pacify. Now apply those techniques to another objective, creating social unrest and promoting political insurrection. Firstly, we have established that leadership is a key factor in human behaviour. Secondly, that the media can be used to manipulate perception of events and direct popular opinion and thirdly that humans can be convinced that an apple is an orange. In the wider context, as a result of discussions that have taken place on ATS, that in the months preceding the Arab Spring and subsequent uprisings, that UK and US intelligence and military personnel were on the ground stirring the pot, as well as preparing to provide logistical and other support when things kicked off. We have an somewhat different set of circumstances in the Ukraine, such logistical and military support are out of the question, but all other interference, media infiltration to disseminate information, on the ground operatives to put the right people in touch with each other, to organise and direct opposing elements, point them in the right direction, etc etc. Therefore, while the situation may not appear to have anything whatsoever to do with the topic being discussed here, it in all likelihood, in my opinion, has everything to do with the techniques that have been discussed.

Just to add in a little history to the mix, to add a contextual basis. I am sure all are familiar with Operation Mockingbird.

Operation Mockingbird was a secret campaign by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to influence media. Begun in the 1950s, it was initially organized by Cord Meyer and Allen W. Dulles, it was later led by Frank Wisner after Dulles became the head of the CIA. The organization recruited leading American journalists into a network to help present the CIA's views, and funded some student and cultural organizations, and magazines as fronts. As it developed, it also worked to influence foreign media and political campaigns, in addition to activities by other operating units of the CIA.

In addition to earlier exposés of CIA activities in foreign affairs, in 1966 Ramparts magazine published an article revealing that the National Student Association was funded by the CIA. The United States Congress investigated, and published their report in 1976. Other accounts were also published. The media operation was first called Mockingbird in Deborah Davis's 1979 book, Katharine the Great: Katharine Graham and her Washington Post Empire.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

The practical culmination of Operation Mockingbird, under Frank Wisner's leadership, and in conjunction with MI6 liaison Kim Philby, was the 1956 Hungarian Revolution.

The Hungarian Revolution of 1956 or Hungarian Uprising of 1956[5] (Hungarian: 1956-os forradalom or felkelés) was a spontaneous nationwide revolt against the government of the People's Republic of Hungary and its Soviet-imposed policies, lasting from 23 October until 10 November 1956. It was the first major threat to Soviet control since the USSR's forces drove out the Nazis at the end of World War II and occupied Eastern Europe. Despite the failure of the uprising, it was highly influential, and came to play a role in the downfall of the Soviet Union decades later.[6]

The revolt began as a student demonstration, which attracted thousands as they marched through central Budapest to the Parliament building, calling out on the streets using a van with loudspeakers via Radio Free Europe. A student delegation entering the radio building to try to broadcast the students' demands was detained. When the delegation's release was demanded by the demonstrators outside, they were fired upon by the State Security Police (ÁVH) from within the building. As the news spread, disorder and violence erupted throughout the capital.

en.wikipedia.org...

I have bolded the word 'spontaneous'...because there was absolutely nothing spontaneous about it. It failed in devastating fashion because Philby was, of course, a double, and was feeding names and operational information to the Soviets. Although, in my opinion, I feel that that may have been part of the MI6 agenda and that Philby was in fact a double-double, but that's another story for another time

The world has changed somewhat since 1956, and strategic concerns, the requirement of a buffer zone against the encroachment of communism are not the prime motivators nowadays, if they ever were the real driving force. The situation in the Ukraine, we have seen in the past decade a moves by their government to align itself with the global community and distance itself from Russia. This has resulted in huge corporate investment in the nation, most of that directed at developing it's agricultural industry. The Ukraine has some of the richest, most fertile soils in the world and has been historically viewed as Europe's breadbasket. That is why Hitler's Germany wanted it, and that is why there is now a struggle between European and Russian interests in it. The Ukraine is the third largest exporter of grain crops in the world, and over the coming years, with the effects of climate change, and the degradation of farmland due to over extended acquifers and the resulting salination of that land, it is likely to move up that scale. We, as a global community, need that land and it's consistently high yeilds. Only last year, DuPont, a corporate entity that since the second world war has maintained strong intelligence ties on both sides of the Atlantic, invested £200 million in building a seed distribution plant. Monsanto too have invested 100s of millions, as have Cargill, amongst many others. Additionally, if the Ukraine aligns itself with Russian, Chevron and Royal Dutch Shell will be not be permitted to pursue the fracking concessions that they have negotiated with Ukrainia.

I could go on, but as likely as not, what I have presented so far seems very,very far removed from what has been discussed in this thread. To round up though, I feel it has everything to do with it, while we are busily contemplating our navels and asking how this affects us, and how we are subject to the control systems in place, we are failing to look beyond the end of our noses at how the global community is effected. It is distraction, deflection and magic, it is the creation of a seemingly spontaneous event, utilising many of the techniques here discussed, and we are looking at the wrong hand, waiting for something extraordinary to happen to us, personally, when it already has, the ripples of that event though are going to be a while in reaching us, on a personal level.

I apologise for the semi-rant, and for the appearance of going off-topic, though in my mind I have not and that is my excuse...so excuse me please

You might find this interesting. Note the mysterious UAV's and the mystery men skirmishing with the Romanians...

Also I reread the Stargate Conspiracy. Apparently Strieber and Hoagland helped to spread the Hale-Bopp UFO story... Consider my eyebrows raised.

lostgirl

KilgoreTrout
In the wider context, as a result of discussions that have taken place on ATS, that in the months preceding the Arab Spring and subsequent uprisings, that UK and US intelligence and military personnel were on the ground stirring the pot, as well as preparing to provide logistical and other support when things kicked off.

Hey, I think I'm missing something in comprehension...

What exactly was it that happened "as a result of discussions that have taken place at ATS"?

Oopsie...I can't type anywhere near as fast as I think...there should be a 'we know' somewhere within that sentence, or wording/implication to that effect. Should've proof read, but I was on the trot, short on time. All I was trying to say is that ATS, as consumers of information, we should be a little better informed and able to apply that wider knowledge to world events. It's good to be focused, but we should look to apply that knowledge practically.

I apologise for the confusion...

reply to post by 1ofthe9


Still working my way through, but...this is fascinating...

Ceausescu had been advised by the Securitatea some two months in advance that civil unrest will be provoked and supported from outside the country, but took no action, believing that the people is loyal to him and nothing could happen. During the last few years, Romanians would illegally cross the western border into Hungary and Yugoslavia on an almost daily basis, with the aim of reaching Western Europe. They were put into refugee camps and usually allowed to go to Austria and further. However, from autumn 1989, the Hungarian authorities started sending back large numbers of these people. Among them, Securitatea informants who reveled during debriefings that training centers were established in the refugee camps across the border, where those who volonteered received psychological and practical training in provoking unrests in an urban environment.

Even more disturbing was the huge number of Soviets entering the country, especially trough Moldova. Especially between 15-20 December, the number of Soviet “tourists” increased 3 times compared to the numbers from previous years, in the same timeframe. Notably, the overwhelming majority of them were young males in their 20s and 30s, all driving brand new Ladas. A very small fraction of them took hotel rooms in the major cities, while the rest "vanished", preffering to sleep in their cars in relatively remote locations. This is well known and documented, since Securitatea carefully surveyed all foreigners activities in the country. It is estimated that over 4000 of these unlikely tourists entered the country in that period.

The popular uprising was exploited by a group of former high-ranking Party officials and military officers to seize power. Some of the men within this clique had been plotting a coup against Ceausescu already since the 1970s. On 22 December at noon, hardly 30 minutes after Ceausescu fled, they announced on the national TV to have taken control of the government. The backgrounds of this coup remain unclear to this day, and there are not few Romanians all too concerned to talk openly about what exactly happened. It appears, that the coup was supported by the Soviet intelligence, foremost the KGB and GRU - the latter had recruited former Romanian General Nicolae Militaru, which was uncovered as a Soviet spy and expelled from the Army in 1978. Ion Iliescu, the new leader which quickly emerged after Ceausescu fled had swiftly appointed Militaru as Minister of Defence on 23 december, replacing Stanculescu.

From the moment the clandestine activity of various foreign agents and groups within the Romanian military and security apparatus began, the country was subjected to an act of unprecedented electronic warfare. Jamming of radars and radio communications was widespread; vivid operations of unidentified helicopters, aircraft and even unmanned aerial vehicles was recorded as flights were observed penetrating Romanian airspace from various directions, and Romanian fighters and helicopters were scrambled to intercept. For strong political reasons – mainly connected to the wish of new Romanian authorities to keep the image of the military “clean” of any actions against populations, but for other reasons as well – most of this clandestine activities remain unexplained until today, even if there are strong reasons to suspect massive involvement of the Soviets, who were closely monitoring the developments in Romania, perhaps with the objective of preparing an armed intervention of one sort and purpose or the other. The effects of these operations were amplified by the tension and confusion within the military, resulting in a number of friendly fire incidents, foremost between Army units.

Approximately 20-25km away from the border, all the targets disappeared from the radar screens – only to re-appear one hour later, this time well inside the country, and apparently converging on various air bases and air defence sites. Officers of the UM 01942 have had no doubts: they were tracking a total of 41 unidentified, slow moving objects inside the Romanian airspace, all flying at very low levels, and this meant that a heliborne assault against their country was underway.

For the rest of the night additional reports about activity of unidentified flying objects inside the Romanian airspace were reported by other AM units as well. Around 22:24hrs, an unidentified helicopter was detected in south-eastern Romania. Coming from Otopeni, it approached to a point some 40km west of Alexeni AB. When only eight kilometers away, around 22:38hrs, it disappeared from the radar, only to re-appear two minutes later, now barely four kilometres away. At a distance of two kilometres, it suddenly made a 90 degrees turn to the left, then reached the Ialomita River, where it turned again at 90 degrees, following the river towards west. Several of people at the air base had the opportunity to take a look at this helicopter when it passed by and identified it as a French-made Aérospatiale SA.365 Dauphin: there were four Dauphins in Romania at the time, all used for VIP-transport.

www.acig.info...

Photographic evidence of a meme UNmemeing it'self? DeepLearned meme --A.I.-- ?
Giorgio's hair reversing.

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And this...

At 00:35hrs of 23 December 1989, Boteni AB was attacked by small arms fire. The guards returned fire and the attackers disappeared. Almost simultaneously, targets resembling helicopters were detected while approaching Giarmata AB, but they disappeared from radar scopes.

In the following hours and by the early morning, the radars at Boboc AB, north of Alexeni, detected the following targets during this night:
- two or three objects underway south of Ramnicu-Sarat, flying towards Braila at various altitudes and speeds;
- Between six and eight objects in the area of Bucharest, flying towards Ploesti-Mizil, at altitudes between 500 and 5.000m
- Between six and eight objects flying from Lipia to Boboc at speeds between 150 and 300km/h.

At 01:15, 01:40, 02:20, 02:24, 04:01 and 05:45hrs, a total of six drones were observed while approaching Alexeni AB. Each of them operated as a single-ship that carried a large red light at the rear. All flew at a level around 500 meters, at speeds between 100 and 150km/h. Most of these helicopters approached from the direction of the village Manasia, nearby. All were fired upon and every time they would make 120 degrees turn to the left or right, exploding some five or ten seconds after changing direction. No wreckage was found on the following morning.

An SA-6 battery belonging to the 51st Army regiment located 8 km west of Circea, defending the early warning radars based there, as well as Craiova AB and IAv (airplane factory) Craiova (which built IAR-93 and 99s) further to the north, reported shooting down three helicopters between 01:40 and 02:55hrs. The search teams found no wreckage on the ground.

www.acig.info...

Just finished reading. Electronic warfare combined with drones and helicopters that seemingly completely vapourise after exploding leaving no evidence that they ever existed 1ofthe9, you've rocked my world a little bit...

KilgoreTrout
All I was trying to say is that ATS, as consumers of information, we should be a little better informed and able to apply that wider knowledge to world events. It's good to be focused, but we should look to apply that knowledge practically.

Speaking of Operation Mockingbird, the outing of that operation was a wake up call for many over the ensuing years. It's certainly never far from my mind. I believe the successful--so far--public backlash against bombing Syria could even be traced back to that knowledge entering the public consciousness.

I see the JTRIG "Deception" leak just as potentially valuable for the same reasons as relates to our online lives. That's about as practically useful as it gets in my thinking and far removed from navel gazing.

Suspecting Western hands in most "uprisings" is always a first thought. What can I practically do about that? Not buy into the spin and deception ploys--whether media or online. That's why I believe knowledge of manipulation techniques are valuable.

KilgoreTrout

At 00:35hrs of 23 December 1989, Boteni AB was attacked by small arms fire. The guards returned fire and the attackers disappeared. Almost simultaneously, targets resembling helicopters were detected while approaching Giarmata AB, but they disappeared from radar scopes.

In the following hours and by the early morning, the radars at Boboc AB, north of Alexeni, detected the following targets during this night:
- two or three objects underway south of Ramnicu-Sarat, flying towards Braila at various altitudes and speeds;
- Between six and eight objects in the area of Bucharest, flying towards Ploesti-Mizil, at altitudes between 500 and 5.000m
- Between six and eight objects flying from Lipia to Boboc at speeds between 150 and 300km/h.

At 01:15, 01:40, 02:20, 02:24, 04:01 and 05:45hrs, a total of six drones were observed while approaching Alexeni AB. Each of them operated as a single-ship that carried a large red light at the rear. All flew at a level around 500 meters, at speeds between 100 and 150km/h. Most of these helicopters approached from the direction of the village Manasia, nearby. All were fired upon and every time they would make 120 degrees turn to the left or right, exploding some five or ten seconds after changing direction. No wreckage was found on the following morning.

An SA-6 battery belonging to the 51st Army regiment located 8 km west of Circea, defending the early warning radars based there, as well as Craiova AB and IAv (airplane factory) Craiova (which built IAR-93 and 99s) further to the north, reported shooting down three helicopters between 01:40 and 02:55hrs. The search teams found no wreckage on the ground.

www.acig.info...

Just finished reading. Electronic warfare combined with drones and helicopters that seemingly completely vapourise after exploding leaving no evidence that they ever existed

1ofthe9, you've rocked my world a little bit...

If true, then we might have to take Vallee's assertions about advanced technologies, UAV's, and flying platforms seriously. This was 1989!

KilgoreTrout
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And this...

At 00:35hrs of 23 December 1989, Boteni AB was attacked by small arms fire. The guards returned fire and the attackers disappeared. Almost simultaneously, targets resembling helicopters were detected while approaching Giarmata AB, but they disappeared from radar scopes.

In the following hours and by the early morning, the radars at Boboc AB, north of Alexeni, detected the following targets during this night:
- two or three objects underway south of Ramnicu-Sarat, flying towards Braila at various altitudes and speeds;
- Between six and eight objects in the area of Bucharest, flying towards Ploesti-Mizil, at altitudes between 500 and 5.000m
- Between six and eight objects flying from Lipia to Boboc at speeds between 150 and 300km/h.

At 01:15, 01:40, 02:20, 02:24, 04:01 and 05:45hrs, a total of six drones were observed while approaching Alexeni AB. Each of them operated as a single-ship that carried a large red light at the rear. All flew at a level around 500 meters, at speeds between 100 and 150km/h. Most of these helicopters approached from the direction of the village Manasia, nearby. All were fired upon and every time they would make 120 degrees turn to the left or right, exploding some five or ten seconds after changing direction. No wreckage was found on the following morning.

An SA-6 battery belonging to the 51st Army regiment located 8 km west of Circea, defending the early warning radars based there, as well as Craiova AB and IAv (airplane factory) Craiova (which built IAR-93 and 99s) further to the north, reported shooting down three helicopters between 01:40 and 02:55hrs. The search teams found no wreckage on the ground.

www.acig.info...

Just finished reading. Electronic warfare combined with drones and helicopters that seemingly completely vapourise after exploding leaving no evidence that they ever existed

1ofthe9, you've rocked my world a little bit...

I do try.

I have many interests besides UFO stuff. Some of it overlaps in very interesting ways - ie the Sealab 2 stuff and Kit Green's marine science background. Green would know the story of what happened in 1989.

As per the current situation I can offer two points:

a) The Crimean stuff occurred after the US took notice of Spetsnaz apparently crossing the border. Look into what happened in Czechoslovakia and Afghanistan. Its the same playbook.
b) Watch the trans-Dniester region. Transnistria could be important in the coming days. The 14th Army might only be ~2000 strong these days - but they are sitting on a considerable stockpile of weapons that could end up in the Ukraine.