Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

reply to post by Autograf


I was referring to skinwalker ranch cattle mutilations.

I don't buy the government theory on cattle mutilations anyway..
unless they are trying to psyop us as part of it.. there is no need
to be so crude with the body disposal if it's just scientific testing.

And I really agree with RC on this one.. I've seen 'evil' the likes
of which would make your private parts wither and die on the
spot.

The Trickster makes HP lovecraft look mild in comparison
sometimes.

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by RedCairo

 

That's an interesting thought.

What if the Tricksters can't leave the Earth..

they would do anything to prevent us from
leaving them behind..

Maybe even invent the dark ages to cast reason
back 1000 years..

What if the Trickster is mother Earth herself ? Trying to keep us and teach us!

reply to post by DrunkYogi


yah, that thought has certainly occurred to me..

Now.. there are 'aspects' of Mother Earth that
are strongly sentient and part of me moment
by moment and I use in healing as well..

No question.

But Mother Earth could certainly be the Trickster
in a manner of speaking..

But we could just as well say that there is a 'field',
and not involve the Earth at all.

I don't know.

;-)

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by Autograf

 

I don't buy the government theory on cattle mutilations anyway..
unless they are trying to psyop us as part of it.. there is no need
to be so crude with the body disposal if it's just scientific testing.

This is really off topic, but if a cow disappears from the ranch, theft may be presumed, searches, etc, and more attention drawn. But a dead cow is just an insurance claim. Also, dead cows would probably bring a lot more questions back on base. This is addressed pretty well in the (non-sensationalist) literature.

People have been asking exactly how the "control system" / feedback loop can be tweaked...Eidolon 23 posted a great infographic of a feedback loop from Wired magazine earlier in the thread. The four stages of the feedback loop are Evidence/Relevance/Consequence/Action. The infographic uses the example of a modified speed limit sign. I think this is a great example because it exemplifies a type of metadata, data imbedded within a prexisting, established media.

An example of using this here on ATS would to be to campaign to get "Interdimensional Hypothesis" considered as a forum heading on ATS. If it could be established, Evidence could be presented there, which would hopefully establish greater Relevance to the UFOlogy community. The Consequence is that it could tie into ATS's stated goal of denying ignorance and establishing communication links. The Action comes when the individual engages with the previous three (Evidence,Relevance,Consequence) and then Acts, by either posting in the ID forum or ignoring the forum. These actions could then be measured.

reply to post by lakespirit


I like the idea of elevating the discussion topic to its own field of study, but it seems to me we'd be the ones controlling that system in your example... pulling the strings of ATS to encourage contributions to this research.

Certainly we need more thought given to these issues, as we've seen the number of sidetracks and relevant data points is staggering.

reply to post by Autograf


I like a common-sense non-sensational answer for cattle mutiliations;
but some of them at least are characteristic of 'high weirdness'.
but yes, this discussion can go on forever and is only tangential.

reply to post by Autograf


I hate to say it.. but us vallee psp trickster topic lovers
are a fairly small bunch.. I doubt ATS would want to
make a folder just for this topic, when huge swarms
of ETH fans outnumber us.

reply to post by lakespirit


The trickster is very resistant to any known data collection
technique.. but hey.. I"m all for gathering data..

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Supposedly they harvest the parts that concentrate the isotopes. Eyeballs etc fall into this category. It's really rather a mundane operation from all appearances.

reply to post by Autograf


I was certified shutdown reactor operator.. I'm very familiar
with the science of radionucleide dosimetry.

And I can assure you.. there are many cases of 'high weirdness'
when it comes to cattle.. whole cattle dissected with surgical
precision and no blood and deposited in the top of trees in
mere minutes.. with witnesses in the area.. no helicopters
going by..

Lets let this one go for this thread.. we can discuss it in
anohter thread sometime if you like.. and maybe you'll
shoot down my references or soemthing.. I'm amenable
to your point of view.. just not sure it explains all cases.

People have been asking exactly how the "control system" / feedback loop can be tweaked...Eidolon 23 posted a great infographic of a feedback loop from Wired magazine earlier in the thread. The four stages of the feedback loop are Evidence/Relevance/Consequence/Action. The infographic uses the example of a modified speed limit sign. I think this is a great example because it exemplifies a type of metadata, data imbedded within a prexisting, established media.

WIRED MAGAZINE....

HARNESSING THE POWER OF FEEDBACK LOOPS

This defied decades of law-enforcement dogma, which held that most people obey speed limits only if they face some clear negative consequence for exceeding them.

reply to post by lakespirit


That's what i was saying earlier about the logic being wrong. Decades of Law-Enforcement Dogma, they thought their logic was right, for decades and it was wrong. A paradigm shift, maybe that's what the loop requires for us to understand it! Possibly that is the whole meaning of the phenomena and if it is, let's face it, it couldn't happen at a better time. Just when we need it most!

Autograf
What situation are you referring to?

If this follows a comment implying there is something to question about the moon and Mars (or their nearby vicinity), I'd say
a) it's a way bigger topic than should be in this thread,
b) others surely have better info than I, I'm merely a look-i-loo for such topics now and then over the last 20 years, and
c) there's got to be threads on this forum about those topics already.


Actually, do you know how reading ATS affects my brain? Seriously: I was browsing this and that thread last night, woke up and couldn't sleep a bit ago and so was browsing a few more, and realized the back of my brain was trying to tell me something. Something I'd seen before I fell asleep. While I slept, two things sync'd.

They were different, yet the back of my brain basically said, "No, they are the same. The differences are within parameters of observers and era and instance variations. Go look." I had to go to my browser history, which was a pain since I'd read so many ATS posts. But finally I found it.

The Petroglyphs of Hawaii thread here www.abovetopsecret.com...
Has this picture:
which is really huge you have to scroll over right


USAF "Force Fit" Debunks thread here www.abovetopsecret.com...
Has this picture:


Nothing alike, right? But the back of my head believes these are actually representing the same thing with the antenna being a very noticeable element (unlike on cars where they're nearly invisible at any distance) and maybe other differences (perhaps even the other-guys update their Fords). Of course, what does the back of my brain know? Absolutely nothing. But this is a perfect example of what too much ATS will do ("this is my brain on ATS").

I cannot explain anomalies related to moon and mars either. But you see the leap of faith my brain makes so it's probably for the best. I've got to go read something else for awhile. LOL

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by Autograf

 

I don't buy the government theory on cattle mutilations anyway..
unless they are trying to psyop us as part of it.. there is no need
to be so crude with the body disposal if it's just scientific testing.

Regarding '___' and MK-ULTRA:

In a must-read feature on newly unclassified material on the Central Intelligence Agency’s covert operation, the MK-ULTRA program, which ran from 1953 to 1964, SF Weekly fully exposes the bizarre world of the CIA’s unethical drug tests. The utterly-unbelievable-but-true story involved using hookers to lure in unwitting johns for undisclosed testing, narcotics agents who slipped drugs into drinks, and a U.S. marshal who held up a San Francisco bar not knowing he was high on acid.

It sounds like something out of a paranoid dream. And indeed, before the documentation and other facts of the program were made public, those who talked of it were frequently dismissed as being psychotic. But the U.S. government’s history of secret human experimentation ought to be kept in mind, particularly when we consider the power we grant to it and the way we regulate drugs.

Read more: The Legacy of the CIA’s Secret '___' Experiments on America | TIME.com healthland.time.com...

Regarding syphilis testing:

From 1946 to 1948, Dr. John Cutler of the U.S. Public Health Service and colleagues worked with Guatemalan government agencies to conduct NIH-funded medical research that deliberately exposed 1,300 people to STDs like syphilis, gonorrhea, or chancroid, to see if the newly discovered penicillin could prevent infection.

The commission revealed Monday only 700 of those infected were treated. Eighty-three people died.

Do they have to be so crude with their "scientific" testing?

That's the big issue with our government, they have done so many egregious things day in and day out. Yet at the end of the day, we find ourselves saying "they wouldn't do that" or "they aren't capable of that". Don't be so sure.

I don't buy the government theory on cattle mutilations anyway..

every time this gets brought up
i conveniently mention
those 'nuclear experiments'
that supposedly took place
in the same area
some decades earlier..

..wonder if there might be a connection
/adjusts tinfoil codpiece

RedCairo

Ingo Swann wrote a lot about what is basically an organized intent to suppress, repress, reject, undermine, invalidate, marginalize, distort and destroy conscious psychic functioning.

So the first step in bringing the trickster inside is to defeat this organized intent to suppress the truth. Parapsychology must be brought inside the gates of science and people must be made to realize that their thoughts actually matter so they can take responsibility for them.

Once people get that through their thick skulls, the second step is to provide people with ways to reach their psychic potential. Awakened consciousness is the only way to bring the trickster inside. Not to mention, its the only way to address the ticking time-bombs that threaten the planet.

Step one: validate parapsychology.
Step two: train the populace.
Step three: enlightenment or bust

People need to see that science accepts psychic functioning, and that science can help people to develop their psi safely. In order for that to happen, organized pseudo-skepticism, such as that represented by James Randi, needs to be defeated.

The center of organized pseudo-skepticism is the JREF Million Dollar Challenge. When its defeated, the world will take notice.

The MDC is a trickster prank. Its not a scientific procedure. Its a publicity stunt that exploits the sheep-goat effect in order to keep psychic functioning marginalized. It's the tricksters first line of defense.

It can be defeated, but imo only by a large group of experienced long-term meditation experts who are each in the same league as Sean Harribance or Ingo Swann, who are synched enough to act in psychic unison, and who are determined to defeat the lies of organized pseudo-skepticism.

reply to post by BlueMule


BlueMule,

You are spot on correct with this response. I suspect that you and I
and others have thought these very things since we were teenagers.

I think the first time I tried to beat the James Randi challenge was
when I was 14.. i wrote him a letter and he sent me back a form
letter with a circle around the word delusional.

At that time I had noticed that I could extend my field say 6
inches, and that I could determine the difference in density
of materials with my eyes closed and the objects randomized
in a box.. I thought testing with that would lead somewhere..
there has never been any testing of course.. i can't pay a
parapsychologiest to help test me or even answer an email
or letter. Without negative feedback and positive feedback
in trials.. it's difficult to develop solid abilities..

While I fully and enthusiastically concur with your response,
one some level the problem is much deeper than that. The
problem is fully present in the psyches and energy fields
of even functionally aware psychics.

There truly is a massive pushback effect both in the unconscious..
for many years at least.. and in the field itself.

If there's one thing I've learned, is that nearly all beings would
rather rule in hell, than serve in heaven, to use the common
metaphor.

One reason that people tend to hate shamans and msytics,
at least the very verbal ones, is that both tend to jump up
and down on their soap boxes and tell the emperor that
he is naked. The emperor is inclinded to kill such individuals
one way or another. At least silence them. Tha'ts why you
have to be immune to taking offense and an irrepressible
force of nature with your personality.. which you know
isn't even 'you'.. if you wish to do good.. it's a strange
dichotomy indeed.

Now 'enlightenment' that's a slippery word.. enlightenment
per sey doesn't exist.. as there would have to be a limited
being that wasn't limited; at the same time.. but we can
agree to use a similar meaning associated with this word
alright.

People have been trying to develop such a scenario as you
suggest since the beginning of time.. and it's led to the
worst evils the world has ever known.. tricky to do
correctly indeed..

Nice response.

KPB

This has been an amazing thread, trully mind-blowing for me!
Tremendous informative post by RedCairo (not underrating the others).

Please, forgive me my ignorance (and dumbness), but, are the TPTB, by replicating some "EM based foreign tech", trying to create their own control system based on timeline manipulation?

I mean, are they trying to manipulate/alter events on our reality by some sort of time travelling/time "precognition"?

KellyPrettyBear

There truly is a massive pushback effect both in the unconscious..
for many years at least.. and in the field itself.

Yes indeed. I think the pushback is cyclical. I think the season of pushback is ending, and the season of 'pullforward' is beginning.

People have been trying to develop such a scenario as you
suggest since the beginning of time.. and it's led to the
worst evils the world has ever known.. tricky to do
correctly indeed..

Yes its dangerous but as you've said, humanity is screwed. Maybe we don't have anything to lose. We are in a unique position in this modern age that might make all the difference.

Nice response.

KPB

Thanks bro.

reply to post by meaningless333


This little summary might help; I'd be surprised
if most of the posters don't agree with it for
the most part.

There has APPARENTLY been some sort of field, process or
simulation which has been present/running since apparently
the beginning of the human race or before.

Historically, humans have tried to use various forms of ritual
to 'appease the gods' -- religion, spirituality, etc.

Only, there may be no 'gods' -- there may be no actual 'gods',
'angels', 'demons', 'faeries', 'aliens' or 'real ufo's on earth now'.

It seems, according to people like Vallee and people who study
this subject, that the 'field' responds to human desire and
'materializes forms' .. both purely psychological, but also
definitely real energy and apparent real matter..

This is called the Trickster phenomenon, as it appears that
either the humans themselves (unconsciously), the field itself
or both, seem to throw up constant roadblocks to actually
understanding what is going on.. it's almost like humans are
trying to 'catch god with his pants down' -- only 'god' doesn't
want to show his twig and berries or shrubbery.

Now this is an anthropomorphization.. the more mystically
inclined use this kind of language.. but the more scientifically
inclined use similar language, but generally use computer
science terms or the like to attempt to sound more credible.

In modern times not much has changed.. other than perhaps
the realization that the Trickster/Field/PSP Phenomenon
may not have any particular form at all.. maybe be a far
different thing than we've ever thought.. may not actually
have any religious connotation.. and the desire to use
technology to study or influence the field is a modern
desire.

Now the folklore of TPTB and their insane Nazi scientists,
occultist physicists and what not, would have us believe
that the gubmint is hot on the trail of this whole thing..
building huge mind control towers.. making mighty
efforts to control the field by controlling the population,
in particular the UFO and spiritual crowds.. as it APPEARS
if you can control society.. that society then interacts
with the field and influences it to be different.

so control people and you control the field.. control the
field and you control the people.. that's what people
have been attempting since the first false global religion
was created.. only now some people are trying to use
psychotronic machines to put a mind control helmet
on the field.. and not just on the people..

It would appear that the gubmint and the shadowy
organizations attempting this in the modern era
are pathetic clowns and losers for the most part,
being controlled by the field itself.. if you read
RC's posts and the posts of others who have researched
the gubmint and associated wannabee organizations..
their track record is quite pathetic.

So... none of this is as 'sexy' as may first seem.. not
when the gubmint is involved.

If any of the researchers on this thread disagree
please chime in.

KPB