Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There are many plasma entities some which require the removal of electrons.
I left my underwear back in the shed circa 1910.
The master plan was indeed patterned similar to the old radio vacuum tubes.
Thermionic emission would provide a source of electrons that would jump through a vacuum to a lower potential where they would be captured *somewhere* on an anode screen.
Mark Twain who was born in 1835 during the Halley's comet arrival was taken home by the aliens in 1910 when Haley's comet returned after 76 years.
Mark Twain was also involved with Nicola Tesla who had been listening to Martians in 1899 using a cascade designed receiver.

You mentioned the military being involved with the vacuum tube design as early as the civil war which is likely.
The diagram in the master plan showed an anode screen that completely surrounded the cathode source.

In our battle there were just 15 men engaged on our side – all brigadier-generals but me, and I was a second-lieutenant. On the other side there was one man. He was a stranger. We killed him. It was night, and we thought it was an army of observation; he looked like an army of observation – in fact, he looked bigger than an army of observation would in the day time; and some of us believed he was trying to surround us, and some thought he was going to turn our position, and so we shot him.

Seriously though my personal belief is that the control structure was dreamed up somewhere beyond the guilded cage.

a reply to: Cauliflower

Sorry, I left my code book in my other pants and it went through the washing machine.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Quantum plasma physics ends up being more of a not kind of science doesn't it?
Once entanglement occurs the system resonance continues in perfect synch even after you turn off the power source.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yeah. I jumped a few hurdles there to think he may be religious.
But still, he is hypothesizing gods at play. Other possibilities are too abstract for a short post.

If I could ever have a conversation with him directly, my first question would be if he believed in god. Only because it makes sense to me based on his comments.

I have only watched a few hours of him on YouTube interviews. I could change my mind with further study.

a reply to: FingerMan

I'd ask about his recollections of the first sighting.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: FingerMan

I'd ask about his recollections of the first sighting.

you can read about it onlinie... the first one in France...
or if you are referring to the satellite he saw on radar,
that wasn't supposed to be possible with our tech
level at that time.

And I've talked extensively to him in person about both..
and he had nothing more to say in person, than he
he has already said. At least not that he shared
with me.

originally posted by: FingerMan
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yeah. I jumped a few hurdles there to think he may be religious.
But still, he is hypothesizing gods at play. Other possibilities are too abstract for a short post.

If I could ever have a conversation with him directly, my first question would be if he believed in god. Only because it makes sense to me based on his comments.

I have only watched a few hours of him on YouTube interviews. I could change my mind with further study.

"god" is a very ill-formed and primitive concept that adds no value to anything,
whether "god" exists or not.

The world will continue to be in grave danger, until we upgrade our most basic of concepts.
The thought never occurred to me to ask him for that reason.

Kevin

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

God exists for two purposes, both of which are psychologically created by man.

The first is the near ever impossible, attainment of enlightenment, or to the west, to establish an underlying foundation which depends on the followers ability to observe and accept the reality that some phenomena, mental or physical, are universally greater than the individual who observes them. The planets, the stars, the galaxy, etc.

The second, certain people allow god to exist in the collective consciousness so that they can use belief systems of the mass population either against or for the mass population.

One critical similarity these two purposes possess is that in both situations, the people disseminating this divine wisdom onto the masses are magicians!

Free will and the ability for one to make choices and make judgements is utterly worthless if you do not understand how the acts of not choosing, defining, or believing are equally as powerful and quite essential to our survival.

So yea, asking a scientist who dabbles in the occult if he believes in god, is likely to be so primitive and so vague that he (Vallee or anybody in history) would be annoyed and therefore disinterested.

Maybe after you’ve known someone a while...

a reply to: ColdWisdom

People who prove that "god doesn't exist" are magicians too..

and people who make you think hard and maybe learn something,
without ever answering the question, are the most accomplished
magicians of all.

Kev

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Tis the magician of the heart ye speak of, for the greatest magical operation and most challenging is transformation

The world will continue to be in grave danger, until we upgrade our most basic of concepts.

Keeping things on level, maybe the aliens are coming with some sort of upgrade...

...I don’t know whether it’s a hardware upgrade, software upgrade or a combination of the two.

Just hope their not here to erase our hard drives…
Then again that may be a good idea!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, I never insult people who don't think the same way as I. I don't have an urge to prove I'm right. There is some underlying issues with your slights and insults. Don't spray others with your venomous hatred, just focus your disdain at your current president like all the other liberals who hate the idea of God.

originally posted by: FingerMan
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, I never insult people who don't think the same way as I. I don't have an urge to prove I'm right. There is some underlying issues with your slights and insults. Don't spray others with your venomous hatred, just focus your disdain at your current president like all the other liberals who hate the idea of God.

The mud pit forum is thataway!

*points with finger*

a reply to: FingerMan

I don't do slights and insults of people.

I do sometimes discuss history.

I'ts lack of knowing history, that has people
completely bamboozled.

But indeed, as Mr. CW says, if someone wants to
go roll in a mudpit somewhere.. by all means..
enjoy.

I'll keep having rational discussions, when
possible.

Just to make things ultra clear.. in case you
missed my point.. I don't care one tiny
whit what anyone thinks, about me,
about the world, about "god" or the
president, or whatever.

But I do care what I think.

I leave myself to my thoughts.. and
i'll leave you to yours.

Have a good night sir or madam.

Kev

PS: (you don't know me.. many others do.. I do care about
people a very great deal.. and animals..) but I don't have
time to wet nurse every person I come across.. it's everyone's
responsibility to, eventually, become an adult.

I do in fact wetnurse a lot of people..

Now last 2 comments here..

1) Don't take any of my comments to be applicable
to you.. if I wanted to insult you.. or wet nurse you..
I would be very clear about it.

I'm just sharing some pleasant (for me) words with you..

2) I do "put down" the worst of the worst public figures..
it's part of their job to be a target.. it's important
that we have public commentary on those trying
to destroy all life on Earth, for example.

But let's say I put down Trump.. or a particular religion..
or all of them...

that does not mean that I am putting down YOU. I'm
allowed to not like deception and bullying tactics
that unsavory groups in history have used to keep
in power.

But I'd never do anything to hurt you... if you get
hurt, its because you choose to intermingle your
sense of self, with something that is NOT you.

Such as politics or religion. You are neither of
those two things.

I hope that makes things clear...

Thank you for participating.

Kevin

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I've read all he has to say on the matter.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I've read all he has to say on the matter.

I think the retrograde satellite that supposedly existed before we had
retrograde satellites is the thing which cooked his noodle personally
more than anything else he's ever come across, except Uri Geller..
Uri Geller seems to have cooked his noodle pretty good.

Now.. I don't know..... maybe the soviets had something in that particular
retrograde orbit in 1961.. I can't say.

"My first job was at Paris observatory, tracking satellites. And we started tracking objects that were not satellites, were fairly elusive, and so we decided that we would pay attention to those objects even though they were not on the schedule of normal satellites. And one night we got eleven data points on one of these objects--it was very bright. It was also retrograde. This was at a time when there was no rocket powerful enough to launch a retrograde satellite, a satellite that goes around opposite to the rotation of the earth, where you obviously need to overcome the earth's gravity going the other direction. You have to reach escape velocity in the direction opposite the rotation of the earth, which takes a lot more energy than the direct direction. And the man in charge of the project confiscated the tape and erased it the next morning. "

Ref: www.ufoevidence.org...

Kev

a reply to: The GUT

Reference:
www.ufoevidence.org...
"Heretic Among Heretics: Jacques Vallee Interview"
Summary: In-depth interview with leading UFO researcher, Jacques Vallee.

A rookie error among newer spiritual/religious/mystical/paranormal researcher people,
is to make a mistake about "agency" and the over-anthropomorphization of a topic,
or at the last the DIRECTION of the agency.

"You've said that UFOs represent a form of alien intelligence that is actively manipulating human society. How and toward what end?

Vallee: A new computer analysis of historical trends, compiled in the 1970s, led me to plot a striking graph of "waves" of UFO activity that was anything but periodic. Fred Beckman and Dr. Price Williams of UCLA pointed out that it resembled a schedule of reinforcement typical of a learning or training process: the phenomenon was more akin to a control system than to an exploratory task force of alien travelers. There are many control systems around us, and some are a part of nature: ecology, climate, etc. Some are man-made: the process of education, the thermostat in your home. If the UFO phenomenon represents a control system, can we test it to determine if it is natural or artificial, open or closed? This is one of the interesting questions about the phenomenon that has never been answered. "

Here is the rub.. here is the butterfly effect that has spread out ever since JV came up with this
concept and promoted it.

The assumption is that there is some alien intelligence/force that is grooming the human
race in a certain direction.

I've used the argument myself.. and I'm not saying it is necessarily wrong.

But this one moment in history has caused a "forking" along a certain path that is
unhelpful and unwarranted.

JV inadvertently created a bunch of angels and demons, etc. in the minds of
thousands (millions?) of people who have studied him.

And of course this has fed back into the control loop!

I feel that this was an accident, but he may have realized later on what he had done.

When a person is new to the "mystic path" there is the inevitable mistake that they make;

they somehow think the Universe is all about them.. the human race.. and perhaps is all
about sentience in general.

Of course they are wrong. It's one of the first lessons.

One of the last lessons is about the nature of "illumination".

Humans assume that "Illumination" (if it indeed exists) is all about them.
(during the process, one of the very best questions is: "who becomes Illuminated?")

What if it wasn't about them?

What if NONE of this UFO/control loop stuff is actually about humans at all..

What if it is for another audience entirely.. that we just happen to be here..
just happen to be participating, like a rock participates in the flowing of
a sentient stream?

I don't feel like making any grand proclamations about the control system
in this little response.. but I would like to point out,

that the data about UFO waves, could just as easily represent reinforcement
cycles for the learning of the "Control Loop" itself.. not an attempt to train
us..

or perhaps it's the DIGESTIVE CYCLE.

I'm not saying that we are being digested.. but merely that we should not
jump to conclusions about that "reinforcement cycle".

Look at all the damage that it has done.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That's perhaps the best take on it I've seen so far.

For those who want a bit of speculation, pick up The Edge of Reality. It features a short 'brainstom session', though that in itself is not enough to merrit buying it.

Dr. Vallée avoids speculation in a scientific context. If you're after that pick up his science fiction books as that is his personal sandbox on these things.

But that's the fun part, not the truth

In my shamanic travels, I got a distinct impression that God actually does play dice with the cosmos. And at times the dice are loaded.