Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

a reply to: Bybyots

Actually there is a frothy sea of 'mini black holes'
somewhere around the quantum plank distance
in size...

each is a mini 'gateway' to (apparently)
superconducting space/time manifolds
of 'true space' (humans live in a spacetime
pothole -- collapsed remnant of the 'big
whimper').

These are the 'true chakras' if you must
call them that.

New Age 'chakras' are feeding tubes to the
control loop entity feeding on us.

Not derivative.

You.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Not derivative.

No. And rather tasty.

You.

Ya know? I don't know. But I sure am enjoying your "mini-gateway" idea.

I've been ratcheted down on the temporal lobe router thing, but I know that there must be a gateway to a larger system and then eventually out to the "big gateway".

I've been really intrigued by Gurdjieff's ideas with the fluids and the Moon and all because that also includes the ideas of "planetary" and "solar system" gateways for the transmission of the fluids.

But I don't know. What you just said does a better job of articulating what I seemed to experience as being beyond the "player piano" quality of the "chakras".

I just don't know.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

*falls in chasm*

a reply to: Bybyots

Your last sentence is the 64,000 truth.

We (humans) don't know.....we are a young
species...we have been fed a big cosmic
snow job.....by 'the control loop' --- and we
are 'co-creators' of our own misery to quite
a degree.

We need to actively research this 'control loop'
as humans and evolve past it.

It's a big job and won't happen tomorrow.

But let's all make a contribution and maybe
future generations will have it better - I hope.

Kelly Pretty Bear (for old times sake)

a reply to: Bybyots

Hey Bybyots: You're pretty hard on KPB, there. I don't agree, really, that we chose that and that we asked for it to be like that, unless I was asleep or in some kind of fugue state and didn't get a vote...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
Okay you really got to me here with the fact you seemed to reach inside my brain, and pull out every single reason I came to ATS and the kernel of why I write and read here, at all. But this really, really got to me:

But yes...of course...we HAVE been modified
to crave being dominated and to yearn to
be dominated.

Umm, I try not to give too much away about myself, which is LOL, when I think about some of what I've already said. But I was on an thread last night where someone brought up Stockholm Syndrome, and we were talking about human trafficking, and all that is attenuated to this generally horrible subject.

And I admitted I had some experience with Stockholm Syndrome, and that it was a bitch, emotionally. You don't understand yourself your attachment to someone who generally (or even quite obviously, in thought, deed, and action) means you harm…..

Yes, I know I'm trained that way, in a way I cannot escape, no matter the logic of my brain….
I don't know whether to thank you for that summation, and recognition, cry, or scream.
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

I don't agree, really, that we chose that and that we asked for it to be like that,

Yeah, of course I know that from years of interacting with you. You now I don't agree with you either. If we hadn't chosen for things to be the way they are there would be no there to get to from here.

We have to go through, not around, the only way is through the body and life.

The only thing that makes it all make sense is that we have chosen this way, that we are responsible for it all.

Our bodies and all of its arcane rules and regulations are our chosen path to liberation.

a reply to: Bybyots

I love Dantes Inferno.

The ONLY way to escape from "hell" is to
go out through the bottom; which leads
up and out!

Waffling in intermediate layers of anything
will keep you trapped forever.

Kev

a reply to: Bybyots
Yes, we know each other's stance on that. But I seem to remember a thread you did with Eidolon about us all in the end being the energy for the moon, elipsed by it and all that, no matter what we do. It seemed to go in another direction than what you are saying here and now, for if we are just energy for something else, then KPB is closer to what's going on in reality, than you, it seems, Bybyots.

Also, as to that and my stance on it, obviously from what I've written here, which is extremely private, it becomes obvious why I beieve what I do, no matter what you believe. And the thing is, I still pay attention to what you write, and keep an open mind about it, despite having had some personal experiences which make it hard for me to go along with your belief system. In other words, I always try to think about what you write, and give you the respect you deserve.

But this is the thing, Bybyots. Some of us really have been programmed. And very strongly, with the best tricks and methods available to the programmers and those who are trying to overcome the controllers. In my experience, some of them are just as bad. It's a twisted path, for sure. I didn't choose it. And as hard as I try, I really can't escape my programming. As I said to KPB, no matter the logic in my brain…and I am quite logical.

That's why I came to ATS, looking for answers for all that programming, and what it's done to my personal life, the train wreck in slow motion.
Regards,
tetra

ETA I think I'm waxing so personal cause I finally broke down and got a FB account. oh boy…..I really have gotten sucked into the confuser….

a reply to: tetra50

But I seem to remember a thread you did with Eidolon about us all in the end being the energy for the moon, elipsed by it and all that, no matter what we do.

You must not have made it to the end.

It's about the unifying power of the Moon and the "harnesses" we have chosen for ouselves, and about how we might learn to use the wetware so that we can access levels of "oneness" that we have only dreamed of.

But I'm not surprised that you got stuck on how we are saying that we are stuck.

I understand that is your cross to carry.

I don't buy any of that "programmed" bull#; MKUltra, MiLab, or otherwise.

a reply to: tetra50

I wish you the very best in your journey to
wake up from your nightmare of pain and
abuse.

I think that increasingly the human race as a
whole (the 99% anyway) is heading in the
direction of stockholm syndrome and
PTSD due to economic pressures and all
the psyops hitting everyone constantly...

I think you have more 'company' in this
than you might realize - unfirtunately.

Kev

a reply to: Bybyots

Well, that's most certainly bc you have not experienced it. Thanks for the respect, btw, i mentioned in my post.
But if you wanna play like that, fine. I can, too.

Yeah, I made it to the end of that thread, Bybyots. It wasn't that I got stuck on how we're all stuck. I don't want
that oneness thing. I think it's one of the single biggest psyops on people and their individuality. Don't you get it, yet? Everything here is programmed so that you will think just like that, that we have to be "one" and lose our egos and individuality in order to get along. Entire history has been replayed just to support this, so we'll give in to that.
The idea of revamping the history was to make the case that mankind can only get along and go forward if they do what you describe…..but it was just a frigging script to support that psyops…..on us all, to give up who we are.

And I don't buy that crap, either, with all do respect, and without a friggin smiley of whatever color I choose….

@Bybyots: That's why I sent you that stuff for a thread about time, around Christmas. I was trying to get you to see how much information there is about the total replay of historical time. Time is the biggest psyops of all, and I sent you a lot of information to show you that. I'll admit it wasn't really about writing a thread on it. No one's interested in that. You know why? Sure you do, and so do I: Because almost everyone here with a brain already knows all that.
We talk about "resets" frequently.

But you are all at war with the wrong frigging thing. You're at war with the only one thing/concept that argued for your freedom. But everyone's too blind to see it, or too inculcated, or too afraid. I've sent many members good info, or put it on their threads, and they walk away. Some are just plain scared. I don't blame them. Geeezz, all anyone has to do is see my face right now. It's totally wrecked.

You can experience what you're talking about without giving up yourself to some "oneness." That's a straight up military psyops from the word go, and they said the word go a long time ago. Most of those who said it aren't even around anymore to see what that meant.

They planned for it for a very long time. Everything in this reality is about that. I hate that it's that way, but it is.
It's to make sure you never know that what your talking about comes from within the whole of you, provided in part by your ego because that's how you experience life to begin with…. You need it to carry on. You are that one you are looking to find and connect with. Not some ethereal presence out there that demands you surrender yourself and join with it.

In that knowledge and ability to tap into that place inside your consciousness, is pure power, of the individual, of the whole of the individual, that means the body of this person which is the unique housing for the consciousness of the individual. Together, the body and the consciousness within are a unique package, think of it even as a packet of information within an informational system, can reach the highest point of living consciousness all by themselves. That's what the inculcation is at work to get you to give up. First you allow the rights of someone else to be taken. By doing that, you allow and acquiesce to giving up your own, and so on.

That's what is really going on here.
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

You know to some people you may sound like a complete mad man, but this:

In that knowledge and ability to tap into that place inside your consciousness, is pure power, of the individual, of the whole of the individual, that means the body of this person which is the unique housing for the consciousness of the individual. Together, the body and the consciousness within are a unique package, think of it even as a packet of information within an informational system, can reach the highest point of living consciousness all by themselves. That's what the inculcation is at work to get you to give up. First you allow the rights of someone else to be taken. By doing that, you allow and acquiesce to giving up your own, and so on.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Bybyots
I love Dantes Inferno.

Try Niven/Pournelle's Inferno for a twist.

originally posted by: Autograf

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Bybyots
I love Dantes Inferno.

Try Niven/Pournelle's Inferno for a twist.

Further on the scifi note, I would recomend Peter Watt's Blindsight and Echopraxia for folks here. Bybyots, I think, would especially love Echopraxia.

I've been researching 'my version' of 'the control loop' for nearly 50 years now.

I've posted all these words.

I've pondered dozens of different aspects of
this --- science... psychology...metaphysics..
spirituality and shamanism. . relationships
with economics and politics. ...and secret
societies...and UFOS of course. Even had
my own close encounter last year...which
had high strangeness..

So 2 weeks ago I registered the domain name
'thecontrolloop.com'; with the intent of setting
up a collaborative space in excess of what
can be accomplished here on ATS.

The next morning I wake up. ...and....all
desire to research this 50 year obsession
seems gone....



Seems rather 'control loopish'



Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
The next morning I wake up. ...and....all
desire to research this 50 year obsession
seems gone....

Seems rather 'control loopish'

Kev

Wasn't it Einstein who said something along the lines of the definition of madness is repeating the same behaviour and expecting a different result...or words to that effect?

Sounds to me like you just realised that your tail is attached to your arse and that has taken all the fun out of chasing it.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

And your reply telling me that im "full
of it' advances this thread how exactly?

Do you know why I first decided to pursue
this topic when I was 4 years old?

I wanted to understand what it was about
this world, if anything, that turned humans
into the malevolent and incoherent lifeforms
that I seemingly was surrounded by. (I did
meet my first non-malevolent and coherent
human 10 years later..)

I didn't know at that time, that my
mother had classical autism or my
monstrous step-father narcissism and
other disorders.

I didn't know about evolutionary psychology
and memetics and religion and all the other
factors which in part explain why so many
people act with such cruelty and ignorance.

You've now reminded me of just why
my studies were so worthwhile...

Thanks,

Kev

Nietzsche said, "that philosophers today have become comets." and wrote about eternal return but you are not limited to just the fruit loops the MSM fills your media device with.

There are much longer term cycles that are more interesting. Anyone follow the Hale Bopp comet back to Pepi's tomb and leave an offering for queen Nebwenet? Was that a matriarchal ruled period or just one kings infatuation with a comet? Why bother to resonate this with a musician named Applewhite?

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

And your reply telling me that im "full
of it' advances this thread how exactly?

That's how you interpreted my response? Not my intention at all, quite the opposite, but it does now raise the question what exactly were you doing for those 50 years?

I apologise for the offence caused, genuinely, it was meant as a compliment...possibly a misguided one on my part.