Putin: Gays at Olympics Must "Leave Children At Peace"

Christian Voice
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

But homosexual nonetheless. (attraction to the same gender),,,,A girl generally hits puberty at around 12, some as early as 8 and 10 and yet you label a man with an attraction to a sexually mature female a pedophile. America is one of the few places that views it this way. Other countries and several years ago in the US girls were married at 12 and 13. You look down on someone like that as dirt but not on someone that has an attraction to the same gender ?

You do not see a difference in a mature adult having sex with an easly influenced developing child and two consenting adults? If you have these attractions I strongly suggest you do not use your position as an mature adult and thus an authority figure to have sex with a confused child at very start of his or her journey into becoming an adult.

As for Putin, does anybody not think this guy is in the closet?

reply to post by Gryphon66


Homosexuality is not natural in nature. That would imply that lower animals have desire. They are sexual only for reproduction it is a chemical hormone induced reaction. Homosexual displays in lower animals is a show of dominance and not sexual desire. You are attempting to attach human traits to lower animals. I refer to all animals other than humans as lower animals if that helps you.

reply to post by MrSpad


Again you are implying that all homosexuals are consenting adults which is a load of crap. How do you on one hand imply that a homosexual is born gay and on the other hand imply they only are gay once they hit adulthood ? I'm confused by this.

The Russian Orthodox Church last week called for a national referendum to outlaw all gay relationships in Russia. What Putin and the church are doing is discrimination and homophobic, nothing to do with protecting children. For Putin its a way to divert attention away from other troubles in country. 

As for the Russian Orthodox making this  request for a referendum, is probably the work of a closeted homosexual Living a heterosexual life. Every homophobic person I have ever encountered has had issues with their own sexuality. This can be proven by the fact they believe homosexuals choose to lead a life of discrimination. If that was the case when did all straight people "choose to be straight". Surely this way of thinking would mean everyone is bisexual and we choose which lifestyle to live.


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.


In the times we live in now, it's about divide and conquer, and tptb are playing this card to a T and the Sheeple are lapping it up.

This civilisation is going backwards! 

As soon as we separate all governments in world from religion the world will become a better place.

Christian Voice
Homosexuality is not natural in nature.

Oh dude .... List of animals displaying homosexual behavior
The scientists have observed homosexual behavior among MANY animals. It happens.

Side note ... I had a 20 gallon fish tank that had two female betas and one male. The lady betas would 'do their thing' with the male. When the male died, the females then would 'do their thing' with each other. They'd do the exact same mating rituals with each other that they did with the male. My female betas were bisexual switch hitters.

Christian Voice
reply to post by Gryphon66

 

Homosexuality is not natural in nature. That would imply that lower animals have desire. They are sexual only for reproduction it is a chemical hormone induced reaction. Homosexual displays in lower animals is a show of dominance and not sexual desire. You are attempting to attach human traits to lower animals. I refer to all animals other than humans as lower animals if that helps you.

Prove that animals do not have sex for pleasure. Prove that animals do not have sex to strengthen social bonds. Prove that animals do not experience sexual desire.

reply to post by Gryphon66


Prove that they have sexual desire. Prove they have human emotions.

Im pretty sure Putin is concerned with the gay terrorist cells being in the area of the Olympics. He is only being proactive in protecting innocent lives.





(......and you all mods thought youd prevent this stuff by initiating a "hiatus"... MUHAHAHA!! If you want to employ some of my guerilla mod techniques, I can offer a workshop this evening. Free to all moderators. Bring your own valium. )

reply to post by FlyersFan


Prove to me that those animals in your list have the sexual desire for the same sex. Prove to me that your betas were doing more that acting out instinctual reproductive moves and that they desired each other. If you cannot produce for me a dolphin or bonobo or dog that can look me in the eye and say yes I am homosexual and I only want the same sex them please move on from that. You cannot do that. This is a very tired argument. You will never prove animals have homosexual desires because they do not. I had a cocker spaniel who humped other boy dogs. He would also hump people's legs, pillows, bed posts. It is a dominance thing.

Christian Voice
reply to post by Gryphon66

 

Homosexuality is not natural in nature. That would imply that lower animals have desire. They are sexual only for reproduction it is a chemical hormone induced reaction. Homosexual displays in lower animals is a show of dominance and not sexual desire. You are attempting to attach human traits to lower animals. I refer to all animals other than humans as lower animals if that helps you.

Here's your claim. Prove your claim. Or retract your claim and put on the "I ♥ Logical Fallacies" Hat.

reply to post by Christian Voice

Again you people pervert definitions to suit your agendas.

Seems to me that you are the one pushing an agenda; a deliberate attempt to categorize Homosexuals and Paedophiles together when they aren't.

Homosexual= sexual attraction for the same gender (age not relevant)

So by extension you are saying;
Heterosexual - sexual attraction for opposite gender (age not relevant).

Are you trying to tell me that two homosexual 16 year olds are only attracted to adults ?

Who or what the CHILDREN are attracted to is completely irrelevant - its about the actions and behaviours of ADULTS whom society has deemed responsible and 'mature' enough to know their own mind and enter into consenting relations with other ADULTS and not CHILDREN.

The FACT is that the vast majority of homosexuals have no sexual attraction towards any children in the same way that the vast majority of heterosexual don't either.

reply to post by Advantage


Wow

Christian Voice
Prove that they have sexual desire.

If they didn't want to have sex ... they wouldn't be having it. Therefore .. they have desire.
Again - List of animals displaying homosexual behavior

Prove they have human emotions.

- Animals (and people are animals as well) don't have to have emotions in order to have a sex drive.

That being said ... let's see what the scientists say ...

Emotions in Animals

Charles Darwin was one of the first scientists to write about the possibility of animals experiencing emotions. This anecdotal approach has developed into a more robust, hypothesis-driven, scientific approach. Several tests such as cognitive bias tests and learned helplessness models have been developed. General hypotheses relating to correlates between humans and non-human animals also support the claim that non-human animals may feel emotions and that human emotions evolved from the same mechanisms.[1][2][3][4]

Cognitive biases, i.e. feelings of optimism or pessimism, have been shown in a wide range of species including rats, dogs, cats, rhesus macaques, sheep, chicks, starlings,[5] pigs[6] and honeybees.[7]

Wanna tell me that an animal has sex without any desire to do so? That makes no sense.

Wanna tell me that when dogs aren't happy when they wag their tail when they see their human family come home? Go ahead and try. Obviously dogs are happy when they wag their tails when playing with the family.

Comeon ...

Christian Voice
reply to post by nugget1

 

What does any of that have to do with my post ? I said control over my choices and actions. Skin color is not a choice or action. Homosexuality is both.

What if you're wrong? People with leaprosy we're thought at one time to be possessed by demons. So were a lot of other diseases through the ages, until science found the cause.

Research has proven then are differences in the brain, and DNA of homosexuals. Did it not occur to you that all of the pollution we have been exposed to for generations just may have effected our genetic structure?

Would you blame someone for having MS? Probably not; even though science hasn't figured out the cause, you know for a fact that it isn't by choice.

YOU have no way of proving that homosexuality is or is not caused by gene/DNA mutation. Maybe you would do well to stop being so judgemental of others, and concentrate on being the best that you can be.

Christian Voice
Prove to me that those animals in your list have the sexual desire for the same sex.

Hello? If they didn't have desire to have sex with the other critter, then they wouldn't be having it.
I mean ... comeon ... duh.
Animals know the difference between male and female.
And if they are attracted to a critter that is of the same sex, then they are engaging in homosexual behavior.
You can't spin your way out of it. That's just the way it is.
I don't understand why you are so threatened with the fact that MANY animals display homosexual behavior.

reply to post by Advantage


While a certain person in this forum has displayed disgust at that chap I applaud him for being who he wants to be, I also think he looks quite dapper and boy he has the legs to pull it off.



Good for you dude .

reply to post by Gryphon66


Burden lies on you as well. Prove me wrong. See where I'm going ? You argue for homosexuality with supposed scientific evidence which is a lie. Goes both ways.
Anyway, what's say we get back on target.
Boris Yeltsin caved to pressures from gay advocacy groups in 93' and legalized homosexuality but with restrictions. Putin has been rather vocal about regaining a lot of previous standings from before Yeltsin's time including ones on homosexuality. I think if it were not for ill advised medling by Nobama and the US he would reinstate the ban altogether.

Christian Voice
reply to post by Advantage

 

Wow

Spam?? WHo says it isnt true. I need proof that there isnt a gay terrorist cell in Sochi.

Seriously, youve made your point, theyve made their point. You all will never agree.. and neither will convince the other side. SO how many more pages will this petty BS go on... I suspect until a mod has to tell you all ...again... to stick to the original post and address THAT. Just cause the religion battlefield is temporarily closed doesnt mean we have to read pages of this tired old argument all over every other thread.

It COULD have been a great thread if it was appropriately discussed. Throwbacks like "moral crimes" from the old soviet union policies creeping up and this point is totally disregarded.

reply to post by FlyersFan

Animals are not driven by desire but by instinct. In the wild their instinct is to survive and multiply.

reply to post by Advantage


Pity it just re opened ..anyone else find ATS has been a much more pleasurable place while those forums were shut down?.