The Cost of Not Vaccinating

reply to post by jaxnmarko


Your right 500 deaths is not a lot however I haven't seen any statistic on the supposed deaths from vaccines so we are still saving lives. What I didn't reference however were the complications some life long caused by Measiles.

Complications[edit]
Complications with measles are relatively common, ranging from mild and less serious complications such as diarrhea to more serious ones such as pneumonia (either direct viral pneumonia or secondary bacterial pneumonia),[6] otitis media,[7] acute encephalitis (and very rarely panencephalitisSSPE – subacute sclerosing ),[8] and corneal ulceration (leading to corneal scarring)Blindness.

Even though it isn't death going deaf or blind is still pretty bad.

As a reference for deaths in comparison in other regions and remember eradication is the goal however we are lucky here our medical facilities can treat patients and keep mortality down in other places this can be a very serious illness.

Between the years 1987 and 2000, the case fatality rate across the United States was 3 measles-attributable deaths per 1000 cases, or 0.3%.[12] In underdeveloped nations with high rates of malnutrition and poor healthcare, fatality rates have been as high as 28%.[12] In immunocompromised patients (e.g. people with AIDS) the fatality rate is approximately 30%

In 2011, the WHO estimated that there were about 158,000 deaths caused by measles. This is down from 630,000 deaths in 1990.[56] Death occurs, in developed countries, in about 1 in 1,000 cases (.1%). In populations with high levels of malnutrition and a lack of adequate healthcare, mortality can be as high as 10%. In cases with complications, the rate may rise to 20–30%.[57] Increased immunization has led to a 78% drop in measles deaths which made up 25% of the decline in mortality in children under five.[5

Even in countries where vaccination has been introduced, rates may remain high. In Ireland, vaccination was introduced in 1985. There were 99,903 cases that year. Within two years, the number of cases had fallen to 201, but this fall was not sustained. Measles is a leading cause of vaccine-preventable childhood mortality. Worldwide, the fatality rate has been significantly reduced by a vaccination campaign led by partners in the Measles Initiative: the American Red Cross, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the United Nations Foundation, UNICEF and the WHO. Globally, measles fell 60% from an estimated 873,000 deaths in 1999 to 345,000 in 2005.[28] Estimates for 2008 indicate deaths fell further to 164,000 globally, with 77% of the remaining measles deaths in 2008 occurring within the Southeast Asian region.[59]
In 2006–07 there were 12,132 cases in 32 European countries: 85% occurred in five countries: Germany, Italy, Romania, Switzerland and the UK. 80% occurred in children and there were 7 deaths.[60]

Wiki

Sovaka
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

Oh cry me a river... 500 deaths.

Big deal.

Have you seen the stats lately from Pharma induced deaths???

Here is some "medicine for you";

www.ismp.org...

www.popsci.com.au...

Now... Who is the greater killer?

.: ETA :.
Here is some statistics relating directly to these Pharma companies;
healthimpactnews.com...

edit on 10/1/2014 by Sovaka because: (no reason given)

So is it the drugs themselves or the misuse of them which cause the deaths?

Certainly if people don't get their Warfarin levels checked regularly they're at risk and guess what?
There are loads of no-shows in warfarin clinics all over the world as people just can't be bothered turning up or think they know best...

As for your infographic, could you find how many deaths are caused by drugs when people stick to the prescribing information and are checked out regularly?

reply to post by Pardon?


Yes because the organomercurial isn't as bad as real mercury... Only evident by the fact that by order of Judge and "perceived concern" that they are attempting to abolish all of this mercury use in vaccines.

Because if there wasn't anything truly wrong with the organomercurial, they would show clear and concise evidence that it is 100% safe.
Since they cannot, and they know otherwise, they are complying with the order and public opinion to invest millions into R&D to find alternatives.

Sounds perfectly benign to me.

Oh an in regards to the Aluminium they use as a replacement;

Aluminum is a Brain Toxin

Aluminum is found in the earth's crust, and in air, soil and water. However, although aluminum is a common, "natural" substance, it's important to realize that it has absolutely no biological role inside your body and is, in fact, a demonstrated neurotoxin.

As researchers wrote in Current Medicinal Chemistry:

"Experimental research … clearly shows that aluminum adjuvants have a potential to induce serious immunological disorders in humans. In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences."

There is overwhelming evidence that chronic immune activation in your brain is a major cause of brain dysfunction in numerous degenerative brain disorders, such as multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s and ALS, which may explain the reported association between aluminum-containing vaccines and these diseases.

articles.mercola.com...

Also see;
www.immunizationinfo.org...
For types of Aluminium they use.

Which are still linked to neurotoxins and side effects.

Sovaka
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

Oh cry me a river... 500 deaths.

Big deal.

Have you seen the stats lately from Pharma induced deaths???

Here is some "medicine for you";

www.ismp.org...

www.popsci.com.au...

Now... Who is the greater killer?

.: ETA :.
Here is some statistics relating directly to these Pharma companies;
healthimpactnews.com...

edit on 10/1/2014 by Sovaka because: (no reason given)

First link talks about prescription drugs. BTW reference my above post and the OP is there for a reason and you haven't countered anything from it so I guess you concede the cost of not vaccinating.

Second link speeks on vaccines yet no statistics on death or debilitating injuries.

Third link speaks on pharmaceuticals, other drugs illicite, and deaths. I looked for the exact numbers attributed to vaccines but couldn't find any.

Are you sure you even know what you are trying to debate? Have you even read the links you provided?

I asked for something very simple. The statistics on deaths and or cases of verified deaths or injuries attributed to vaccines. Let me be a little more specific. In this century well you can use the 90s even 80s and can you please break down which vaccine is reported to cause which problems. It should be simple if you are actually as knowledgeable as you claim. I ask because I have NEVER seen those statistics.

reply to post by Pardon?


Here is a link you may find helpful;
articles.mercola.com...

It states in there that;

In a June 2010 report in the Journal of General Internal Medicine, study authors said that in looking over records4 that spanned from 1976 to 2006 (the most recent year available) they found that, of 62 million death certificates, almost a quarter-million deaths were coded as having occurred in a hospital setting due to medication errors.

1/4 of a million over 30 years = 8,333 deaths per year due to "medical errors".

The types of medical errors counted in that sum are;

The June 2010 report narrowed the errors down to:

drug overdose
prescribing the wrong drug
taking the wrong drug, or
accidents involving medications during surgery or medical procedures

What percentage of that is drug overdose is not stated... however, in the article it states;

An estimated 450,000 preventable medication-related adverse events occur in the U.S. every year.

These aren't deaths... But reported adverse effects to drugs.

The very incidents many of us argue are caused by vaccines and Pharma.
1/2 a million people per YEAR.

That is a rather hefty price to pay.

reply to post by Grimpachi

In January 2008 a mini-epidemic happened in California this was due to a unvaccinated 7-year-old boy who was unknowingly infected with measles returned from Europe and proceeded to expose other children. Like many viruses, people who are infected spread the virus before they know they are sick. 879 people were exposed, most of these were vaccinated so only 12 secondary cases occurred, all in unvaccinated children.

For a start, the boy from Europe may not have been the vector, but a handy patsy to pin the blame on.

Secondly, the disease may have come from one of those that had been vaccinated, yes, they can be contagious.

Thirdly, Supposedly, the vast majority were vaccinated and by your reckoniung had nothing to worry about, which only left those, who through choice or religion were not, which was their risk to take.

And the problem is?

According to you, those that want the poison pumped into their families got it done, and were supposedly safe, which is an absolute JOKE..only 8% - 11% of any vaccine proves effective (look it up), meaning not only are those that get the vaccine liable to develop the disease themselves FROM the vaccine, they are themselves contagious and can infect others too.

[snip]

Sovaka
reply to post by Pardon?

 

Yes because the organomercurial isn't as bad as real mercury... Only evident by the fact that by order of Judge and "perceived concern" that they are attempting to abolish all of this mercury use in vaccines.

Because if there wasn't anything truly wrong with the organomercurial, they would show clear and concise evidence that it is 100% safe.
Since they cannot, and they know otherwise, they are complying with the order and public opinion to invest millions into R&D to find alternatives.

Sounds perfectly benign to me.

Oh an in regards to the Aluminium they use as a replacement;

Aluminum is a Brain Toxin

Aluminum is found in the earth's crust, and in air, soil and water. However, although aluminum is a common, "natural" substance, it's important to realize that it has absolutely no biological role inside your body and is, in fact, a demonstrated neurotoxin.

As researchers wrote in Current Medicinal Chemistry:

"Experimental research … clearly shows that aluminum adjuvants have a potential to induce serious immunological disorders in humans. In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences."

There is overwhelming evidence that chronic immune activation in your brain is a major cause of brain dysfunction in numerous degenerative brain disorders, such as multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s and ALS, which may explain the reported association between aluminum-containing vaccines and these diseases.

articles.mercola.com...

Also see;
www.immunizationinfo.org...
For types of Aluminium they use.

Which are still linked to neurotoxins and side effects.

You don't know much about the pharmacokinetics of organo-mercury compounds I'm guessing?
The fact that you excrete them within around a week and they don't bio-accumulate means a fair bit.
It means that they are pretty close to being 100% safe (nothing is 100% safe by the way).

You are evidence as to why the thimerasol has been removed.
Your first post was testament to that.
"And the mercury.."


Show me the overwhelming evidence that the aluminium salts in vaccines causes these diseases please rather than copy & pasting from that purveyor of all things good and honest, Mercola.
Here's a pretty comprehensive study that says they don't.
www.sciencedirect.com...

Then show me that if it does that it's not down to environmental aluminium which you're exposed to every day of your life in far higher levels than in vaccines and purely down to the aluminium in the vaccines.

I'll wait.

reply to post by Grimpachi


Ok, lets look at one specific topic;

HPV Vaccine;

www.cdc.gov...

As per their site;

Approximately 30,000 VAERS reports are filed annually, with 10-15% classified as serious (resulting in permanent disability, hospitalization, life-threatening illnesses or death).

According to;
www.womenshealthmag.com...

While researchers aren't certain that grievances like these stem from direct Gardasil side effects (Cervarix hasn't been around long enough to amass complaints), "it's critical to note that more than 70 healthy young girls have died from a neurological reaction that occurred soon after getting Gardasil," says Harper. (The FDA is not required to act in response to any side effect that occurs in fewer than one in 10,000 people.) So if you're really concerned, she says, "you can avoid the risks by opting for a lifetime of Pap smear screening rather than vaccination."

While 70 isn't a great number of deaths associated, that is just the stated death tally.
For perfectly healthy girls that were scared into getting this "vaccination" whereas they could have opted for a lifetime of pap smear tests.
Again, just reported deaths and not total tally with serious debilitating side effects which are estimated to be in the thousands.

So then you have this;
healthimpactnews.com...

So to outright call all these Vaccines safe and for the good of humanity is just immoral at best.

MysterX
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

In January 2008 a mini-epidemic happened in California this was due to a unvaccinated 7-year-old boy who was unknowingly infected with measles returned from Europe and proceeded to expose other children. Like many viruses, people who are infected spread the virus before they know they are sick. 879 people were exposed, most of these were vaccinated so only 12 secondary cases occurred, all in unvaccinated children.

For a start, the boy from Europe may not have been the vector, but a handy patsy to pin the blame on.

Secondly, the disease may have come from one of those that had been vaccinated, yes, they can be contagious.

Thirdly, Supposedly, the vast majority were vaccinated and by your reckoniung had nothing to worry about, which only left those, who through choice or religion were not, which was their risk to take.

And the problem is?

According to you, those that want the poison pumped into their families got it done, and were supposedly safe, which is an absolute JOKE..only 8% - 11% of any vaccine proves effective (look it up), meaning not only are those that get the vaccine liable to develop the disease themselves FROM the vaccine, they are themselves contagious and can infect others too.

Do you work in the vaccine industry OP or have some other vested interest...you seem VERY concerned with propaganising the entire vaccine agenda and rubbishing the peoples absolute inalienable right not to have crap pumped into themselves and their families on multiple threads lately.

Been an expensive Christmas...has it?

You can't catch measles from MMR.
MMR doesn't shed the virus therefore than cannot be contagious.
pediatrics.about.com...

Someone who's had the MMR can only transmit it if the vaccine has not worked then they are essentially unvaccinated.

I think you're getting your numbers mixed up (or just making them up).
After the first dose over 90-95% of recipients are protected.
After the second dose over 99% of recipients are protected.
www.immunisationscotland.org.uk...

reply to post by Pardon?


Err according to your post... The Aluminium replacement has a volume value of up to 0.85mg per dose.
Or 850 micrograms.

The safe toxicity levels for newborns is 10 to 20 mcg.
For adults its UP TO 350 mcg...

So tell me how the 850 mcg dose is safe?

Sovaka
reply to post by Pardon?

 

Here is a link you may find helpful;
articles.mercola.com...

You keep referencing Mercola and other sources of information attributable to him. He seems rather shady to me ... and I barely looked at all. Mercola

Sovaka
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

Ok, lets look at one specific topic;

HPV Vaccine;

www.cdc.gov...

As per their site;

Approximately 30,000 VAERS reports are filed annually, with 10-15% classified as serious (resulting in permanent disability, hospitalization, life-threatening illnesses or death).

According to;
www.womenshealthmag.com...

While researchers aren't certain that grievances like these stem from direct Gardasil side effects (Cervarix hasn't been around long enough to amass complaints), "it's critical to note that more than 70 healthy young girls have died from a neurological reaction that occurred soon after getting Gardasil," says Harper. (The FDA is not required to act in response to any side effect that occurs in fewer than one in 10,000 people.) So if you're really concerned, she says, "you can avoid the risks by opting for a lifetime of Pap smear screening rather than vaccination."

While 70 isn't a great number of deaths associated, that is just the stated death tally.
For perfectly healthy girls that were scared into getting this "vaccination" whereas they could have opted for a lifetime of pap smear tests.
Again, just reported deaths and not total tally with serious debilitating side effects which are estimated to be in the thousands.

So then you have this;
healthimpactnews.com...

So to outright call all these Vaccines safe and for the good of humanity is just immoral at best.

Read up as to what VAERS is.
Anyone can report to it (there have been cases of lawyers filing fake reports to help them in their litigation claims).
The report does not have to have anything to do with the vaccine. A report can be filed if an event occurs in a specified time after having the virus.
There is a famous VAERS report of a woman dying hours after she had the HPV vaccine.
However she was a passenger in a car that crashed.
If severe adverse events are reported to VAERS they are checked and so far there have been NO deaths attributed to the vaccine.
Not one.
Nowhere in the world.

As far as Japan goes, their reporting system is similar to VAERS but it is part of government policy to act first then actually study the results.
They did the same with MMR changing to the MR vaccine instead.
And guess what, their mumps rate has gone through the roof.

reply to post by Snarl


If by shady you mean he doesn't have the FDA seal of approval... Then yes... he is that.

But so is anyone who questions the FDA's rulings...

Even those milk loving hippies that don't believe in pasteurizing milk.

Heaven forbid anything be good for you if the FDA hasn't said so.

reply to post by Pardon?

A contractor, under the supervision of FDA and CDC, enters the information from VAERS forms into a database.

So if you say false reports can be filled under the supervision of the FDA and CDC then sure...

But then doesn't say much about their authority on the safety of vaccines does it?

Note:

The personal attacks stop here. Pointing fingers at a member and making allusions about their purpose will result in warnings henceforth.

reply to post by MysterX


Unfortunately for you that case has been confirmed as to the source of the outbreak. You can look it up the source is in the OP.

I don't have time to fact check your other accusations as far as I know you heard it from a drinking buddy. If you like you can source the info next time and I will take a look.

Sovaka
reply to post by Pardon?

 

Err according to your post... The Aluminium replacement has a volume value of up to 0.85mg per dose.
Or 850 micrograms.

The safe toxicity levels for newborns is 10 to 20 mcg.
For adults its UP TO 350 mcg...

So tell me how the 850 mcg dose is safe?

Where are you getting your numbers from?
Is that a daily intake?
Is that per kilo?

Sovaka
reply to post by Snarl

 

If by shady you mean he doesn't have the FDA seal of approval... Then yes... he is that.

Actually, because his medical license ... is EXPIRED ... and has been for about 30 years.

I don't think I'd take medical advice from Steven Greer, MD either, but that's just me.