Hitler may have been one of the two witnesses in Revelations.

The Revelations tell that people all over the world will celebrate the death of the two witnesses who tormented them.

Such event never has happened on Earth until the death of Hitler.

If Billy Graham died or the Pope died, would the world celebrate their deaths? What about the preachers you know, would the world celebrate any of their deaths? Of course not!

Parallels to Hitler (Revelations 11):

1. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth - Hitler's armies used flamethrowers.

2. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: - It did not rain in any of Hitler's public speeches (I could be wrong)

3. have power over waters to turn them to blood - many of the battles in Europe WW2 has turned the waters into blood like the battle of Normandy and Dunkirk

4. to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. - bombs dropped from planes and chemical warfare waged by Hitler.

5. because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. - The WW2 started by Hitler indeed tormented the whole world.

6. shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. - Hitler never had a proper burial. KGB feared a proper burial might resurrect the Nazi legacy.

7. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies - A fragment of Hitler's skull is in display in Moscow to be seen by people from all nations and tongues.

8. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry - People around the world celebrated in the streets by dancing and running the pubs dry when Germany announced surrender shortly after the death of Hitler.

Has anyone in the world been treated in such manner ever as would the witnesses??

Coincidence that it will be translated in this manner?

Revelations 11:12
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Reference to WW2?

Revelations 11:14
The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

What is really the content of Hitler's speeches? He often tried to expose the evils of our system how it is unjust and unfair to the common man and only benefits a few (who become very rich)

Hitler indeed claimed to be God's emissary. Some of the Jews acknowledge it too.

If Hitler is indeed them, did he stood for both witnesses or are we to expect another one like him to come?

If Hitler is not a witness, these parallels still gives us a good idea what they are going to be. If you can celebrate with the world like in New Year festivities, you would likely hate these witnesses too. Not surprising when many Christians nowadays are gravely mistaken in their beliefs.

Finally, I believe the beast who kills the witnesses from the Abyss may not literally be one entity but the system - the world who is under the control of the devil (1 John 5:19)

The conspiracy theories against Hitler is starting to make sense.



“History is written by the victors.”


― Winston Churchill

Greetings from the skunk works

The other one could be Joseph Goebbels - closest follower of Hitler, also an avid speaker, and met the same end as Hitler, also never had a proper burial

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I like these kind of theories.

what if 'bad' guy is the 'big good' guy. and 'good' guy is actually the 'big bad' guy.

I leave the debates to you all. i will read them once in a while.

peace.

A Bit of a stretch, don't you think?

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The distinction between a good guy vs bad guy becomes clouded in these parts....

With the two witnesses tormenting the whole world, and killing those who oppose them, they clearly fit the definition of "TERRORISTS" as defined by our society.

Ironically, not even Osama Bin Laden was able to make people around the world dance in the street after his death. Even he was given a proper burial according to Islamic traditions.

The 2 Witnesses either belong to the head of the Nazi party or is yet to come and something as terrible....

But I really put my bet on Hitler. His campaign of terror matches that of the 2 Witnesses and he actually exposed the evils of his day in his speeches, like the growing influence and power of world bankers, Jewish commerce, and how they are corrupting society with their worship of money.

In such ways, he actually performed his part of being a witness, by exposing a hidden truth.

But I'm still open to the possibility there may be yet another one to come. Someone who will be hated as much as Hitler for people around the world to celebrate their deaths.

denybedoomed
A Bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Not a perfect match but ironically, Hitler is the closest one we have. Would you suggest any real person who can closely match the profile of the two witnesses except for Hitler?

Just look the witnesses. They come to deliver speeches which will probably bore some people to death. They will not heal anyone, they will not do any relief/humanitarian works. Instead, without provocation, they will lay siege to the world, kill anyone who will oppose them and do different wonders which is not for our good but to torment us.

Revelations 11 did not say Christians or Jews will be spared in the onslaught of the two witnesses. Rightfully so, no one is spared in WW2 except for far-flung places like Canada and New Zealand but even they suffered losses from troops they sent to help in the war against the Nazis.

Hey, thanks for posting here. What you propose has some interesting parallels with Revelations description of the two witnesses. Nobody but God knows exactly how the end times will play out. And it's important we all never lose sight of that. Jesus said not even he knew, but only the father knew of when the end would come.
So despite any differences in interpretations what is critical Is that we do not allow our pride to slip in past us undetected and allow our own biased views to spill out to others. If we allow different interpretations of Jesus, over his hair colour, eye colour, race, family geneology etc... get in the way, than we do the Lord a great mis serve. Because he wants us to humble ourselves and love God, and love others unconditionally like he loved us. The second we lose sight of those two commandments we lose sight of everything sacred. We need to acknowledge that even within our "Chirstian" circles we as Christians need to be aware of the killing between Catholics and protestants in Ireland, we need to be aware of how rogue leaders of dangerous militias such as the recent one in Sudan involving Joseph Kony's Genocide on the people. we need to realize there are despicable mega churches popping up all over the country that only serve themselves and their own desires to capitalize on something so they could be prosperous.


we need to have a good hard long look at Churches like Westboro Baptist and have a good long stare at what they're promoting - HATRED.
They are a disgraceful group of arrogant, condescending , prideful haters. To go around and Carry huge signs and posters saying God Hates Fags, God Hates Jews, Burn in Hell etc... is beyond sad. It simply goes to show how lost some are even within their own Faith.
All of this has destroyed the reputation of what it is to be a true "Christian", and painted a very poor picture in the eyes of the world of what Jesus Christ Represented.

But there comes a point in time, a fork in the road moment in your life where you really need to make crucial choices based on self accountability , and refuse to make excuses to the God you sense deep down does in fact exist. excuses for why you never even considered calling upon God for help. The reasons humans mis represent God is because all human beings are broken, all human being are lost before they're found and given the light of Jesus Christ, It's already set in stone that we will struggle with sin, pride, addictions etc... because without God our flesh is weak and vulnerable to life's new adaption within our DNA that came after the Great Fall.

The bible describes in the Great Fall in Genesis- Where man lost paradise and had to begin to experience adapting to a new world where the conditions were not originally designed for them. Sound familiar?

Our day and age where we breathe in poisonous fumes, where we eat radioactive fish from our seas, Seeds being contaminated with GMO's, medicine and vaccines that exist only to "weaken our immune systems and leave us more vulnerable to newer more aggressive cancers than ever before.

And it should come as no coincidence that you feel this inner struggle at war with you within your heart. That sense of "matrix of a reality" Like you are Jim Carrey from "The Truman Show" where you truly don't believe your world is real, something just feels so off. You're told cancers, and all forms of disease come from a specific cause- but in able to afford that medical plan to get the treatment you desperately need, you have to slave away at your jobs with constant anxieties every day just to be able to BARELY provide for your family.

This would be ok if that's just were the way it was, but we are being bombarded with a new found profound awakening from God via the information era.. that what we have been told about every major war was a lie. The truth is the "winners of war" get to re-write the history books, and they have for us. All to keep the matrix reality in tact, where you don't dare stand out and ask questions about a reality going on that seems so wrong.

For example, Why do we no longer stop and ask the logical question? If all these high rollers in the Big Pharmaceutical industries truly are multi billion dollar corporations. If they have so much power as to create universities committed to Medicine , and create an entire semester form of material based on their "propaganda, treatment methods, nature of the human brain etc... than wouldn't it only be logical to assume that these are in fact training stations to indoctrinate another group of individuals based on their Criteria. They do in fact know the cure, but are held back by a self serving system that focuses more on prolonged treatment to milk every last dollar from every physically ill human being out there, and a system that actually sees "cancer" as a "Business opportunity' to exploit.

it's hard to swallow that fact but it's true-- and it goes hand in hand with the New World Order's plans to call for mass- depopulation. There is plenty of evidence for this out there if one were to diligently due their research.


This is exactly why Jesus said the end times would be like the days of Noah. We are living in a paradigm right here and now that is awakening us to the fact that we really do live in a prison, and it is funded and run by the elite who in return serve the devil to greatly enhance their powers. So people are sick everywhere, mentally, physically, emotions and spiritually very ill. And the greatest irony is it's when we're in our lowest, and our most weak and sick we are that much more likely to cry out to the Lord and surrender our pride. It's God interweaving good to come from even the darkest of situations, and this is effortless for him because it's all he knows- his essence - Love and ultimately complete retribution/ restoration!
And he will wake us up to what is wrong with the world in these humbled moments where we see that there truly is an all out effort to keep God;s name out of everything, because the devil knows If true Believers in Christ in large numbers took a stand and exorcised their authority on earth given to them from the most high God- and actually truly heal the sick, drive out demons, and be the light of the world than we would see so much more and more truth co-emerge with freedom from that truth, we would see people unite for the right reasons, we would experience miracles with our very eyes that would make us feel apart of something much bigger than us and something beautiful, graceful and loving.

The Bible says the time is "Now" because tomorrow is not guaranteed. That is speaking more volumes of truth to me than ever before now! If we take stand right now for what's right, we can't ever truly fail. The ultimate victory is losing it all here on Earth, in surrender to the greater beauty that is coming in the next life. To serve the kingdom with all our hearts, minds and souls for all of our days1

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True and true... We've been born to a lie, my mate!

How could you inspire such hatred to have people around the world celebrate your death with dancing, have a part of your remains a public display and not get a proper burial??

You could only be one of the two witnesses or Hitler himself!

reply to post by ahnggk


Erm, whut? Eh? You take Revelations seriously do you? I thought it was written by John of Patmos whilst off his head on magic mushrooms.

ahnggk
1. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth - Hitler's armies used flamethrowers.

So did the US Marines and a few others.

2. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: - It did not rain in any of Hitler's public speeches (I could be wrong)

Hitler now had the power to stop the rain eh?

5. because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. - The WW2 started by Hitler indeed tormented the whole world.

Eurocentric, The Japanese caused a lot of grief all on their own.

8. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry - People around the world celebrated in the streets by dancing and running the pubs dry when Germany announced surrender shortly after the death of Hitler.

Eurocentric

What is really the content of Hitler's speeches? He often tried to expose the evils of our system how it is unjust and unfair to the common man and only benefits a few (who become very rich)

Meanwhile, The NAZIs became fat and rich on German war industry while the 'Good' Aryan boys of the common man died by the millions on all fronts.

The conspiracy theories against Hitler is starting to make sense.

How so?

So let us not forget that victors write history. If we are to look at the action of world leaders at that time, let's take note that Stalin was far worse and killed many more people than Hitler, not to mention his own Ilk. Not to mention we dropped Atomic Bombs! Of course we can't write about that in our history books because we allied ourselves with Russia. Not because they had taken the high road but because it suited our purpose.

History tells us he was the most evil man in history....hardly. He was no saint but his evil visage is manufactured to serve a purpose.

Rosinitiate
So let us not forget that victors write history. If we are to look at the action of world leaders at that time, let's take note that Stalin was far worse and killed many more people than Hitler, not to mention his own Ilk. Not to mention we dropped Atomic Bombs! Of course we can't write about that in our history books because we allied ourselves with Russia. Not because they had taken the high road but because it suited our purpose.

What are you talking about?

Every history book I've ever read unfortunately practically brags about Nuking Japan as part of 'Ending the War' in the pacific. As far as Stalin goes, anyone who cares to bother reading can find references to his mass killings, The problem there is that there are deniers about that as well. Heck, while were are at it, how about Pol Pot and or Mao and his little red book slaughter during the Cultural Revolution in China?

SLAYER69

Rosinitiate
So let us not forget that victors write history. If we are to look at the action of world leaders at that time, let's take note that Stalin was far worse and killed many more people than Hitler, not to mention his own Ilk. Not to mention we dropped Atomic Bombs! Of course we can't write about that in our history books because we allied ourselves with Russia. Not because they had taken the high road but because it suited our purpose.

What are you talking about?

Every history book I've ever read unfortunately practically brags about Nuking Japan as part of 'Ending the War' in the pacific. As far as Stalin goes, anyone who cares to bother reading can find references to his mass killings, The problem there is at there are deniers about that as well. Heck, while were are at it, how about Pol Pot and or Mao and his little red book slaughter during the Cultural Revolution in China?

I wasn't trying to insinuate that we're not taught the atrocities of Stalin or the bombing of Japan. It's the angle to which it is sold. Some are packaged as justifiable whereas others are unforgivable.

Yes Pol Pot is another great example.

ETA - Ah after re-reading my last post I can see where you got that. I wasn't clear, it too much a pain in the ass articulating myself clearly with an Ipad. I needs me a keyboard!

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I think in discussions such as these all too often Context is left out. The full extent of Stalin's purges and the others were not truly revealed until many years if not decades after the fact. That's where the Conspiracy often comes into play.

The new evidence *Let's say found in the KGBs archives for example* [Although written at the time and in the eye witness's own hand from the period in question] will often be dismissed because it was discovered in the 90s vs something that has been believed and regurgitated since the early 50s

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I can agree with that. Once something is accepted as fact, its hard to change that view if not impossible.

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According to the Bible, the 2 witnesses are men of God. Hitler was a race obsessed dictator.

Also, the narrative of the 2 witnesses says that the dead witnesses came back to life...after laying dead in the city where Jesus was crucified. Hitler did not come back to life...and he wasn't lying dead in Jerusalem either.

There are many threads on the 2 witnesses. They are NOT people, at all. They are a part of us, our souls, that record everything that happens in the testing ground and will be with us through our life recall at the end: Love and Wisdom (common sense). Many are being programmed here by the elite satanists running this world through royal families, banks, religious leaders, and politicians/military. But common sense goodness, and love is with us even if we believe in a distortion: do you help someone, or judge them? Common sense issues of giving in to anger, even if it seems justified, or fostering peace and goodness in ourselves, though really, not to be too hard on oneself in a hellzone type world, which is what they've dragged this beautiful jewel planet down to. But love and understand yourself and all others.

The bible has many truths in it, but its not the literal story. That one is a trap that twists faith in the Highest Love and Goodness we call God into the opposite of God, into a murderer, judger and smiter of people.

Its not a story of jealous smiting God, and its not a story of a rigid old testament and a loving new one.

The old testament and the new allign perfectly, providing you start to look under the hood and read the metaphors, what is really being said.

Unfortunately the ones who wrote this, knowing most would fall for the outer, might have been merely saving themselves from the harshness around them, but I think they should not have sold out humanity. But there were probably harsh circumstances that made it impossible to preserve knowledge in a fascist time, any other way. And it is up to everyone, their own Conscious, their own 2 Inner Witnesses, (ie Love and Wisdom) to not just follow outer crapola, but question deeply. When we read or hear something that troubles us, it should! Its a warning. ie when we read about Jacob's perfect faith being expressed in sacrificing his son, we should wonder if that really pleased God eh? There are many things in the bible that are codes, but we're never to stop questioning, because we have 2 Witnesses built into our souls that should encourage this.

www.spiritofthescripture.com...

This is a good site to start with looking within.

Everything in the bible is a metaphor for an inner process. No outer.

sk0rpi0n
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According to the Bible, the 2 witnesses are men of God. Hitler was a race obsessed dictator.

Also, the narrative of the 2 witnesses says that the dead witnesses came back to life...after laying dead in the city where Jesus was crucified. Hitler did not come back to life...and he wasn't lying dead in Jerusalem either.

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The bible is a metaphor for inner processes. Your inner Michael defeats your inner dragon. The red sea that parted, is your anger/violent tendencies and warring tendencies built into our body suits, that we have to overcome. The pharoahs army is all the outer things assailing us, from the world that cause reactions and harshness in us, traumas. And the way to drown them out, Moses said: Man of Peace, Be Still and Know the Lord!

In Genesis 32 30, Jacob named his penial as the place he met God.

So, Moses said: Man of Peace be still and Know God: MEDITATE. And learn to overcome your warring tendencies and reactions!

Read with Love and insight, do not fall for the outer murder/war/smiting and Saturn trap. The outer is idol!

ahnggk

denybedoomed
A Bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Not a perfect match but ironically, Hitler is the closest one we have. Would you suggest any real person who can closely match the profile of the two witnesses except for Hitler?

Just look the witnesses. They come to deliver speeches which will probably bore some people to death. They will not heal anyone, they will not do any relief/humanitarian works. Instead, without provocation, they will lay siege to the world, kill anyone who will oppose them and do different wonders which is not for our good but to torment us.

Revelations 11 did not say Christians or Jews will be spared in the onslaught of the two witnesses. Rightfully so, no one is spared in WW2 except for far-flung places like Canada and New Zealand but even they suffered losses from troops they sent to help in the war against the Nazis.

Well since Revelations isn't an account of the end of the world, yes it is a HUGE stretch.