The JFK Assassination---The Roles of Masons and Royalists---50 years is long enough

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Imho is so stated right here and covers the entire thread's discussions, and it also is a discussion list of various people's views and opinions.

And pulled off various sites the Reagan title of Mason is shown valid. And from other sites, which are the Refences used for the discussions, Spector is termed a Mason and they show the lodge number. imho

Simple enough. Ronnie was given a Mason Certificate----granting him title Mason.

At least that appears to be the case, on close inspection. imho

MagnumOpus
Imho is so stated right here and covers the entire thread's discussions, and it also is a discussion list of various people's views and opinions.

So now you are changing your story to it is only your opinion that Reagan is a Mason and the facts do not show that he was?

Nice to see it only took you 17 pages to admit this.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus



Each and every person on ATS is telling their opinions, and there really don't exist proofs of anything on ATS, by obvious context of discussion lists. I didn't swear to anything, only started laying out some issues that connected back to Hungary and Reagan and PERMINDEX, and MASONs. All of those are common in the discussions of the JFK assassination.

Nope---have not change the story or opinion, as the record shows Ronnie is a Certified Mason. imho


You can think he is from space, or god from PERMINDEX here to save the world, or just whatever floats your boat.


I also think Spector is a crook and I think Reagan is a crook for stopping Jim Garrison from Investigating PERMINDEX, and that both were acting on Mason member interests. imho


So, the discussions and sharing of views and opinions continue, despite the uproars over showing Reagan has links with Masons, and folks that write good articles speak to the Masons telling him that Spector was a Mason.

I'd suggest you go make contact with the fella that wrote the Article on Masons in Congress and get the fine details, as I listed my source and I do think the assertion is correct in my humble opinion. I trust the authors insights and find he to appear truthful and having valid insights.

Nothing really changed in the assertions. imho

MagnumOpus

Nope---have not change the story or opinion, as the record shows Ronnie is a Certified Mason. imho

great lets see the records

Name the Lodge and date Arlen Specter was made a Freemason / Mason

Name the Lodge and date Ronald Regan was made a Freemason / Mason

reply to post by Sauron


If you can read----you have already seen the article on the Masons in Congress article.

If you didn't read it the first time----I have zero confidence you can on any second relisting. imho

Read the persons article-----which is all part of exposing the truth on Masons and make up your own mind----or keep it totally closed.


I think it was a great idea to consider who nominated Bush and those suggestions, as that would help deny ignorance.

reply to post by MagnumOpus



No you have not shown proof of any records that shows Ronald Reagan is a Certified Mason.

You have shown he received the title of Honorary Scottish Rite Mason

No soup for you.

Name the Lodge and date Ronald Reagan was made a Certified as you claim a Mason

and lets not forget Arlen Specter

Name the Lodge and date Arlen Specter was made a Freemason / Mason as well

It is proving to be rather interesting that Ronald Reagan had two special picks for Vice-Pres., very very interesting as they both have a common theme. Anyone wanna guess?

“What deal?” I responded, genuinely surprised that the two parties were already working out details. In addition to the vice-presidential slot, Reagan said, “Ford wants Kissinger as secretary of state and Greenspan at treasury.” My instant response was, “That is the craziest deal I have ever heard of.” And it was.

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Ronald Reagan’s search for a vice president started as soon as he clinched the nomination with a string of primary victories in the spring of 1980. Before long, a short list of prospective running mates had been put together, including Howard Baker, William Simon, Jack Kemp, Richard Lugar, Paul Laxalt, and George Bush.

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This was serious. And so I did something rash: I decided to try to contact George Bush. Until that moment, the campaign inner circle had treated important issues in a collegial manner; there had been no secrets among us. But on this issue, Casey, Meese, Wirthlin, and Deaver were keeping the lid on. If my colleagues could play it close to the vest on such a crucial issue, it was a game that could be played by others as well.

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Sensing an opportunity, I reached for a copy of the platform lying on the coffee table, passed it to him, and said, “Governor, this is your platform, every word of it.” I added that Martin Anderson, Reagan’s chief domestic policy adviser, Peter Hannaford, and I had scrutinized it carefully. “If you could be assured that George Bush would support this platform in every detail,” I asked, “would you reconsider Bush?”

Reagan mulled this over for a moment and then said, deliberately, “Well, if you put it that way, I would agree to reconsider.” The opening emerged.

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Reagan glanced around and asked those assembled—a group that included Casey, Meese, Wirthlin, Hannaford, Deaver, and me—"Well, what do we do now?" There was no immediate response. No one offered an alternate plan. No one tossed out a name. Expecting instant opposition, I ventured, "We call Bush." Once more, silence. Reagan again looked at each of us; hearing no objection, he said, "Well, let’s get Bush on the phone."

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At precisely 11:38, the phone was in Reagan’s hand; though they barely knew each other, Reagan dove right in. "George," he said warmly, "I would like to go over there and tell them that I am recommending you for vice president. Could I ask you one thing—do I have your permission to make an announcement that you support the platform across the board?" We could hear Bush agreeing at the other end. Reagan then left for the convention center where, shortly after midnight, he took the podium to praise Ford and then to announce his running mate, George Bush.

Ronald Reagan and his VP selection

reply to post by MagnumOpus



Still waiting,

Name the Lodge and date Ronald Reagan was made a Certified as you claim a Mason

Name the Lodge and date Arlen Specter was made a Freemason / Mason as well

or admit your wrong

reply to post by MagnumOpus


The interesting part is that Reagan considered two guys with involvement in the JFK issue. Bush via Zapata Oil rigs and Operation Mongoose, and Ford with his Warren Commission White Washing for the shot in the back. imho

The interesting common theme is they were both Secret Society types, Bush Skull and Bones as advanced Mason theme, and Ford a well known Mason on the Mason Earl Warren Commission as designed by Mason LBJ and Mason Hoover.

I think each knew that Reagn helped their power and control cause by keeping Jim Garrison stuck on key witnesses and the PERMINDEX files. imho Mason Ford demanded a Co-Presidency and a huge list of Demands, and Yale Bonesman said anything for the Reagan Cause, which is what he always did.


Most interesting that the two Secret Society types became Reagan's top Choices, and both having reasonable expectation of kowledge in the biggest secret in the White House and US Govt. involving Masons !!! imho


It appears the each had equal political leverage on the knowledge of the JFK hit, and the three of them were peas in the same Conspiracy cover up pod for JFK information.


Then it appears Reagan gets the Mason/SkullBone nod to continue and take his reward for covering up the JFK hit.


Very very interesting !!! imho

reply to post by MagnumOpus


Stop talking to yourself and back up your claims.

reply to post by boymonkey74


I know you have a short and extremely Mason mind, but I was taking into consideration one person's good insights on Reagan and how he chose running mate from two Secret Society types associated with the JFK hit. It appears Reagan had a real close need for Secret Society operatives to make sure they didn't dump the Jim Garrison details on him in his run for President, else there would be another Richard Nixon disaster for the Mason Crooks to have to fire Reagan and install Bush to hide. imho


I think it was a fine suggestion and I know the Masons are all rattling bones, and wishing for the good times of sex parties in the temple. imho


I had not looked at that angle before. I am happy that I looked, as it is even more MASON/Secret Society connected now for Reagn, and even the JFK connections.


Just a wonderful suggestion to look there, and very obviously likely not from a Mason, or if it were from an occasional honest one!!!!

reply to post by MagnumOpus


Sometimes hard to admit a mistake or a lie isn't it?

though you could just show the proof

Name the Lodge and date Ronald Reagan was made a Certified as you claim a Mason

Name the Lodge and date Arlen Specter was made a Freemason / Mason as well

As one can see---Masons are sore and hated these addition data points showing up.

Reagan picked from two secret society types tied to the JFK hit issues. imho


I will put that one in the information data base as correlated data connected with MASONS/Sec. Soc.


Thanks to Stackpot-----star for you!!

More and more keeps adding up on the Mason/Sec.Soc theme for the want to kill JFK and their alliances. Even turns out that Ronnie gets a Mason Certificate making him a Certified Mason by official title from the Masons!!! imho

Plus, the world knows well that Ronnie helped interfere with Jim Garrison and kept him from finding the Hungarians connected with Communism and PERMINDEX, that wanted to kill JFK for being too Communist and not backing the Zionist's bomb, but the Hungarians did back the bomb. imho

Jimmy Carter, acceptable to the Old Confederacy, tight with the plutocrats, brought the Presidency into disrepute. He was portrayed as a bible-thumping wimp, not being supposedly able to get the release of 52 U.S. hostages held by Iran. He could not successfully torment the GOP with the dreaded "October Surprise", possible release of the hostages prior to the 1980 Presidential Election. Carter, like every Post-Dallas U.S. President, went along with the JFK cover-up. So, Ronald W. Reagan, going back to his role with-holding JFK witnesses as California Governor(in the New Orleans Jim Garrison probe of Dallas), and Daddy Bush, part of the Dallas episode, were installed as President and Vice President, at the very moment in 1981, when the U.S. hostages were released.

Source:

They have Ronnie's Number

reply to post by MagnumOpus

So what? Masons also visited with JFK.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

I didn't Photoshop any of it. So no matter what we post then can be seen as factual by you?

reply to post by MagnumOpus

God, you make my brain hurt. He was given an honorary certificate...THAT IS ALL. A member is allowed to attend tyled meetings, see the rituals, vote, etc. Reagan could not do any of this.

You are clinging to your precious ignorance like a child caught in a lie. Being a 33rd doesn't make you a "high level" Mason.

reply to post by Sauron

I usually just introduce myself as my senior rank applicable in that particular body.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

But the title of Mason can only be bestowed by a Blue Lodge. Reagan never went through the Craft degrees ergo he cannot be called a Mason. Your own link says that he is not a Freemason = Mason.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

You don't have the authority to say who or who wasn't a Mason. You can have your opinions all day, but that doesn't mean they are indicative of reality or truth.

Reagan was shot and wounded early on.

What was that all about ?

Or was it just a nut.

Then another Reagan special is Roger Stone, who was an aid to Reagan and knew huge details on the JFK hit and that LBJ was involved and LBJ blamed Texas crooks. Roger Stone wrote a book on the better seller list that tells Mason LBJ had JFK killed.

Soon, it appears, Roger Stone is going to release a book on Reagan, which should get interesting. We might learn why an association of Bush shoots Reagan and there are more shooters than Hinkley!!!


Starting to look like another lone nut theme to install another Mason/Sec. Soc type into the Presidency.!!!! imho




Bush and Hinkley Family Connections

But far beyond their social connection, neither Bush nor Hinckley wanted Ronald Reagan to become president, because Reagan was opposed to tax breaks for the oil industry to which Bush, Hinckley and other Texans were highly dependent.

All these Crooked Masons, and even crooked Mason Ford taking care of Nixon to insure they don't investigate the CIA Plumbers as they will find PERMINDEX and more Masons.

Guess Reagan needed to have gone for the Mason Co-Presidency to avoid holes in his body, as they tried to make him JFK II.


Rule of Thumb for Presdents, if you are not a Mason and you want to live out your terms in office, never allow they to stack the deck by putting any Mason/Sec.Soc person in the Vice-President seat, else some Mason inspired control plot is going to start shooting and try to kill you. imho


It just looks worse and worse for the Masons Crooks being associated and found out, even trying to do the same thing twice and thinking the world won't notice!!

What a bunch of thugs in the High Office, much worse than the Mafia in Criminal Conspiracy methods. imho

reply to post by MagnumOpus

You are a very irrational and illogical person. Keep clinging to your ignorant opinions.

Hummm---more deals lacking scruples:

Neil Bush, a landman for Amoco Oil, told Denver reporters he had met Scott Hinckley at a surprise party at the Bush home January 23, 1981, which was approximately three weeks after the U.S. Department of Energy had begun what was termed a "routine audit" of the books of the Vanderbilt Energy Corporation, the Hinckley oil company. In an incredible coincidence, on the morning of March 30, three representatives of the U.S. Department of Energy told Scott Hinckley, Vanderbilt's vice president of operations, that auditors had uncovered evidence of pricing violations on crude oil sold by the company from 1977 through 1980. The auditors announced that the federal government was considering a penalty of two million dollars. Scott Hinckley reportedly requested "several hours to come up with an explanation" of the serious overcharges. The meeting ended a little more than an hour before John Hinckly Jr. shot President Reagan.

Judges and Hinkley's

reply to post by MagnumOpus

And none of it having to do with Freemasonry.

Anyone else notice that when he's proven wrong he either jumps to a new topic or just keeps repeating it as if saying a lie more will make it true?