Has the mystery of nine skiers who died half naked in the Siberian wilderness in 1959 been SOLVED? A

reply to post by SonoftheSun


I wonder what the pattern of horizontal lines are to the right of the lights in the photo.
The first thing I thought of was the fabric of the tent. They seem to be more in focus than the orbs of light, but that is hard to be sure of.

reply to post by butcherguy

Yeah, those lines.
I wonder if that is a picture of the furnace used to warm the tent? The rising blur being the smoke?

Just throwing yet another useless exercise in logic here, but suppose they had a fire in the tent and that is why they had scorched clothes and had to leave the tent right away?

Of course, that is barring yet another, 'Yeah but'....

reply to post by Toadmund


My walking group were discussing this tonight as It was my turn to present a topic for discussion.

A cold hard analytical look at this subject is all well and good until as Toadmund and others have noted, you hit the proverbial brick wall with an aspect that totally defies a place in the narrative and come to a screeching halt.

I have written (roughly) the groups conclusions and(I shall share it tomorrow) it appears to be rather a good angle to view this event from. However, it is an enduring mystery indeed!

reply to post by SonoftheSun


I agree, I believe they stepped into a Russian military test zone

Any one that has gone camping would know
that melting/burning of shoes is a sign of passage
when having a camp fire.
having scorched hair depends on the way the wind is blowing.
But this is how stories and fables are started.
btw, falling into a deep ravine while wearing ski pants,
and a coat will not give external injuries but quite possibly
broken ribs as was the case.
Then there was the guy who bit the skin off his own hand,
which tells of a mental break down and frost bite.
being on the side of the mountain during a storm was a very bad
decision; Logic was that they went into the woods looking
for more wood to burn, but the photos show only
'green' wood which will not burn. However,
anyone who has ever camped before would know that pine cones/needles/sap
will keep a fire going. Seems they were desperate enough to get the
last bit of fuel that could burn, climbing the trees and breaking off the pine
branches.

all in all , a story about ufo's, Sasquatch, kgb . . . makes a
good story around a camp fire and nothing else.
. . . though I feel sorry for those kids, goes to show- BE PREPARED !
and don't take mother nature lightly, she can turn for the worst when
you least expect it.

The 'mystery' sort of reminds me of this 'mystery' lol
. . . not at all a mystery.


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Arbitrageur
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

They don't sound like burns, though you're right that ligtning could enter the head and cause a burn there and leave the foot and cause a burn there. But that's not what the report says:

www.ermaktravel.com...

the left foot had burnt socks (marked by 13). No footwear.

- hair are burned on the right side of the head

It says the socks are burnt. It doesn't say the foot is. Likewise, it says the hair is burnt, it doesn't say the head or the skin under it is. Are those the burn references you were looking at?

I was referring to someone's comments about burns to the head and foot. Reports online are so varied, it's hard to know what is accurate, what is inaccurate, and what is disinformation. Without seeing actual documents, I can't imagine any way we can know for certain how accurate are the details we read online. Hair and socks burned, though, and nothing in between, would still be pretty weird. The whole case is bizarre. I am not ruling out much of anything at this stage.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


We are just beginning to understand the power of sound to do allot of things including lift objects. I have been on the receiving end of lrad and if you don't think sound can be a weapon your nuts lol. It can kill you. Explode your head like a water balloon if they wanted to. It can cook you like a microwave.

Thinking about it it is possible sound could have had a role here. Sound can be devastating, or the disturbance and energy can be. What does the damage from new percussion weapons. The pressure wave. Sound weapons work on the same principle, well some of them anyway.

You could almost say they were hit with avalanche but none were buried. Very weird but one of those places that holds these stories, like the forest where so many go to commit suicide. Strange.....

The Bot

reply to post by watchitburn


I got out of the article that some left without the clothes at all, that was what was weird about it. That the experienced hikers would venture out in the cold with no protection? But your hypothermia statement is true and does have to be taken in to mind. Cause yes the simple answer can be the right one even though it sounds so simple.

I haven't read all of the comments yet, but visiting a site I read this;

May 28th just three days after presence of radioactivity was confirmed the case was officially closed.This is more than just peculiar given the circumstances.

Kolevatov kept a personal diary. Yuriy Yudin, the only survivor of the group, testified that it was with him on the last trip. The diary went missing.Judging by the pictures of Dyatlov group at least one of the cameras went missing.

Strange unidentified cloth "obmotki" was found near the bodies. This is an old version of protection for feet worn by soldiers in the Red Army. It is a long narrow band that was wrapped around shoes to protect feet of servicemen from natural elements. They were faded out in the 1940's during World War II, but many veterans kept it after their service. According to Yury Yudin no one in the group carried them.

link

butcherguy
reply to post by SonoftheSun

 

I wonder what the pattern of horizontal lines are to the right of the lights in the photo.
The first thing I thought of was the fabric of the tent. They seem to be more in focus than the orbs of light, but that is hard to be sure of.

They're just scratches on the film,it was the last frame to have been exposed if my memory serves me correctly.

If you read my previous post you'll see where I explain they're not orbs.The one to the left is just an out of focus rendering of what ever it is,and the one in the centre of the image is just lens flare from it.

dlbott
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

We are just beginning to understand the power of sound to do allot of things including lift objects. I have been on the receiving end of lrad and if you don't think sound can be a weapon your nuts lol. It can kill you. Explode your head like a water balloon if they wanted to. It can cook you like a microwave.

The Bot

We've understood for a long time that sound CAN'T be used to move objects with any real mass.My Canon digital camera uses ultrasound to shake dust off the imaging sensor every time I turn it on and off.In laboratory conditions they can levitate drops of water and bits of paper,but the SPL (Sound Pressure Level) needed to move anything that weighs more than few grammes isn't a practical method of doing this.
Sound energy at audible frequencies can't cook anything,that is roughly 20 Hz to 16,000 Hz for the average adult.Audible sound waves can't exert a force at a molecular level like microwaves can.They can permanently damage our hearing if a high enough level at about 4,000 Hz where they're the most sensitive.They can also be used to do fancy hair blowing tricks at car shows......


.....but they can not and will not cook anything.

reply to post by ToneDeaf


When I see posts referring to people falling into the ravine, I wonder if anyone did fall into a ravine. I haven't seen anything about that in the reports. I have read where they were tracked by their footprints to the various places that they ended up.

Were there any indications that they had built a campfire after they left the tent? As in a pile of ashes, partially burned pine cones/wood or melted snow?

reply to post by Imagewerx


I was using the term 'orbs of light' as a landmark to describe where the lines/scratches were. I guess I should have referred to them as blob-shaped areas of exposure of light on the film... to avoid confusion.
I did read your post, thanks for the explanation.

butcherguy
reply to post by Imagewerx

 

I was using the term 'orbs of light' as a landmark to describe where the lines/scratches were. I guess I should have referred to them as blob-shaped areas of exposure of light on the film... to avoid confusion.
I did read your post, thanks for the explanation.

Your welcome.I did play about with that image for some time last night in Photoshop and couldn't come up with anything conclusive.The only thing I did get from it was the sort of thing that would make me accuse anyone else of being crazy if they suggested it,so will have another play later when I've got some more time.

butcherguy
When I see posts referring to people falling into the ravine, I wonder if anyone did fall into a ravine. I haven't seen anything about that in the reports.

I wonder if they fell into the ravine too. It's a possible explanation of their injuries, but it's not certain. If you read the group diary, they at points in their journey had encountered windy conditions where even when it wasn't snowing, it seemed to be snowing from the wind blowing snow off the trees, and the pass of their final campsite tended to be a windy place, so it's possible that poor visibility may have been a factor in falling into the ravine, if they did fall. The coroner's report stated the injuries were consistent with a fall, compression, or blast, so the coroner couldn't tell if it was a fall or not:

Mystery of Dyatlov's Pass part 2
www.youtube.com...

Were there any indications that they had built a campfire after they left the tent? As in a pile of ashes, partially burned pine cones/wood or melted snow?

They attempted to build a fire near the cedar tree, where two of the bodies were found, as described on the screenshot below. Several branches had been removed from the tree.

reply to post by Toadmund


That made an idea pop to mind. Maybe this is silly but perhaps the furnace caught fire. They scrambled to get out and in an effort to save thier tent dumped snow ontop to put it out?

reply to post by Arbitrageur


Thanks for the info.
A fall would explain a lot of injuries, but that tongue being removed while the victim was alive is a hard one to explain. The best explanation I can come up with would be cannibalism, with the consumer being under the false impression that the victim was already dead... but that is difficult to imagine.

Starcadia
reply to post by Toadmund

 

That made an idea pop to mind. Maybe this is silly but perhaps the furnace caught fire. They scrambled to get out and in an effort to save thier tent dumped snow ontop to put it out?

Was there evidence that the tent caught fire?
If not, maybe something caused them to believe it was on fire when it wasn't.

reply to post by butcherguy


I haven't read such. Just a passing thought. Would the furnace have scorched the top with the snow collapseing on it even if not on fire?
Maybe they scooped up snow to throw on the tent. End up building a fire trying to warm themselves before going into severe hypothermia before attempting to remove the snow.
Is there anything in the reports as to the condition of the furnace? If it was ruined them trying to start a fire would make more sense.
Then again even the most expenanced person in a life threatening situation can make a poor decision that can greatly lower chances for survival.

reply to post by Imagewerx


I am not sure what you are upset about, I am telling you the military combined active denial system can use both sound and microwaves at distance. You will burn, most definitely feel like you are cooking in that little box on your counter. If you have never stood in front of it and taken the blast why are opening your mouth about it. The sound will also instantly disorient you, make you feel sick and dizzy and yes like your head is going to explode.

You think way to narrowly and in the box. We are talking about out of the box stuff, not your narrow understanding of your stereo.